Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Shawn,

Attached is pictures of my emerg tiller.  Thanks for reminding me about 
it, since it is rarely pulled out of the port cockpit locker.  The 
bolt/nut is corroded and needs to be cleaned up so it can be tightened 
on the post. Let me know if you need dimensions.


Don Kern
Fireball C 35 Mk2 #255
Bristol RI




On 3/21/2020 11:39 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
This thread reminds me that I still haven't finished fabricating the 
e-tiller for my 35-2. I think I asked a while back, but if anyone has 
a photo of an original 35 mk2 tiller, I'd love to see it. It is quite 
different from the mk1, since the rudder post is behind the pedestal. 
What came with the boat is a thick steel plate that clamps on the 
rudder post, then a vertical aluminum pipe to bring the height to 
almost above the wheel, ending in a "T" welded to the pipe. I have a 
few ideas on how to make a tiller to attach to "T", but am still 
curious to see what an original looks like.


Oh, and my re-wiring job that is quickly progressing to a complete 
teardown of the boat has almost reach the steering gear, so an 
inspection under there is imminent. Things looked good in terms of 
nicely greased and clean, but the issue of cable damage caused by 
rudder turning too far needs to be checked - my rudder turns beyond 45 
degrees at full lock.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
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Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I would love to try my kite
Looks to be in good shape I have 3-4 here willing to assist + me
And You can drive Charlie that’s 6
Making it a goal this season to fly this  beast even if not in a race
When things settle down I am reaching out Sir !
Thanks !


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 21, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I need 8 crew on Water Phantom with a mast head kite to be competitive--most of 
the time upwind several are rail meat--but when you need 8, YOU NEED 8!

Kite setting and retrieval, and jibing with a carbon fiber end for end pole 
(plus dealing with 155% jib with roller furling) in any breeze that matters 
requires all 8. I have raced with less in light air or I may not use the kite 
at all--I can use my 155% poled out with the whisker pole to good effect. 
However, a full crewed competitor will usually take me downwind.

Maybe with 6 rock stars you could do well with 5-6 but otherwise, it would be a 
struggle IMHO.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom








-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

Very cool! I was really just kidding but great info
I have never flown my soin on Halcyon.but PO said he could handle it himself ( 
yeah in 3 knots) lol
I am thinking 4 and a driver would do it
I run 3 people and on my Ethcells with a full spin.helmsman, ( does alot beside 
drive) jib trimmer, and 1 foredeck
but things are alot smaller for these skinny little babies
30 ft of fun !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

John,

As I’m sure other 37+ owners will agree, 9 is a good number for racing with a 
symmetrical spinnaker. 8 is the minimum.

The crew shirts had a chest logo (similar to the Kirk-era movies) and a 
shoulder logo that was a boat-themed version of what the crew wore on the “Star 
Trek: Enterprise” television series. Nothing on the back.

While it started as a joke, I assigned ranks to crew based on experience and 
responsibilities, but ultimately I found the “chain of command” worked very 
well in racing situations. Much less arguing.

Here’s a shot of my father, Lt. Commander Richard Schillay, in his crew 
“uniform”:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg?dl=0

I’m now looking to build a new team down here in Florida.

Our prime directive is very simple: Wherever we go, we go boldly.

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

 Wow 9 heads on deck ?
Smart lookin crew!
Do Shirts have pocket logo AND across back as well? :)


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:00 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I think the arrow makes it faster.
On March 19, 2020 at 3:41 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Sheesh — what kind of person would put the name of his boat “as bold as 
dogshit” all over the side of the boat…..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5skh1glh9hgzaqq/Enterprise%20-%20PreStart.png?dl=0

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I need 8 crew on Water Phantom with a mast head kite to be competitive--most of 
the time upwind several are rail meat--but when you need 8, YOU NEED 8!
Kite setting and retrieval, and jibing with a carbon fiber end for end pole 
(plus dealing with 155% jib with roller furling) in any breeze that matters 
requires all 8. I have raced with less in light air or I may not use the kite 
at all--I can use my 155% poled out with the whisker pole to good effect. 
However, a full crewed competitor will usually take me downwind.
Maybe with 6 rock stars you could do well with 5-6 but otherwise, it would be a 
struggle IMHO.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom







-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

Very cool! I was really just kidding but great info I have never flown my soin 
on Halcyon.but PO said he could handle it himself ( yeah in 3 knots) lolI am 
thinking 4 and a driver would do it I run 3 people and on my Ethcells with a 
full spin.helmsman, ( does alot beside drive) jib trimmer, and 1 foredeckbut 
things are alot smaller for these skinny little babies 30 ft of fun ! 

John ConklinS/V Halcyonwww.flirtingwithfire.net


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:


John,
As I’m sure other 37+ owners will agree, 9 is a good number for racing with a 
symmetrical spinnaker. 8 is the minimum. 
The crew shirts had a chest logo (similar to the Kirk-era movies) and a 
shoulder logo that was a boat-themed version of what the crew wore on the “Star 
Trek: Enterprise” television series. Nothing on the back. 
While it started as a joke, I assigned ranks to crew based on experience and 
responsibilities, but ultimately I found the “chain of command” worked very 
well in racing situations. Much less arguing. 
Here’s a shot of my father, Lt. Commander Richard Schillay, in his crew 
“uniform”:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg?dl=0
I’m now looking to build a new team down here in Florida. 
Our prime directive is very simple: Wherever we go, we go boldly. 
All the best, 
Edd
———-Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the “Starship Enterprise”C 37+ | 
Sail No.: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, 
FLwww.StarshipSailing.com———-914.774.9767   | 
Mobile———-Sent via iPhone 11 ProiPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List  
wrote:


 Wow 9 heads on deck ? Smart lookin crew!Do Shirts have pocket logo AND across 
back as well? :) 


John Conklin S/V HalcyonS/V Heartbeatwww.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:00 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I think the arrow makes it faster. 
On March 19, 2020 at 3:41 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Sheesh — what kind of person would put the name of his boat “as bold as 
dogshit” all over the side of the boat….. 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5skh1glh9hgzaqq/Enterprise%20-%20PreStart.png?dl=0 

All the best, 
Edd 

Edd M. Schillay Captain of the Starship Enterprise C 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thinks it’s aquasignal 25 they are separate port and starboard
With really limited wire left to connect that’s why I was following
Had Same wire issue with the white stern but was able to complete that one and 
the port lense 1 to go and stripped :(

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:27 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  
wrote:


What kind of light?  Those s screw or bolts may hard to get if its the combo 
perko light

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Conklin via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 5:39:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

Thanks! I will give that a go! I believe this is all original 1982 i was able 
to get stern, and port  but starboard is not budging so hopefully i can turn 
otherwise  will just to change to a new mount and lense

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, James Nichols via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I've always drilled out the heads of the screws for any that are stripped
> and then once the lens is off, you should be able to grab the remainder of
> the screw with a set of needle nose vice grips to back it out.
>
> Use a bit that is the same size as the body of the screw, not the size of
> the screw head.  The head should come off like a ring on the drill bit, and
> run the drill pretty slowly with good even pressure.
>
> James
> SV Kristy
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:11:01 +
> From: John Conklin 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail
>tube
> Message-ID:
>
>  ook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and
> bottom Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster This needs to
> come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
> I have whole new  set up
> But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !
>
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

[David Risch via CnC-List]

What kind of light?  Those s screw or bolts may hard to get if its the combo 
perko light

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Conklin via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 5:39:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

Thanks! I will give that a go! I believe this is all original 1982 i was able 
to get stern, and port  but starboard is not budging so hopefully i can turn 
otherwise  will just to change to a new mount and lense

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, James Nichols via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I've always drilled out the heads of the screws for any that are stripped
> and then once the lens is off, you should be able to grab the remainder of
> the screw with a set of needle nose vice grips to back it out.
>
> Use a bit that is the same size as the body of the screw, not the size of
> the screw head.  The head should come off like a ring on the drill bit, and
> run the drill pretty slowly with good even pressure.
>
> James
> SV Kristy
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:11:01 +
> From: John Conklin 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail
>tube
> Message-ID:
>
>  ook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and
> bottom Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster This needs to
> come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
> I have whole new  set up
> But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !
>
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail tube

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Have you tried an extraction tool?  I can mail it to you...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Conklin via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 5:11:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail tube

Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and  bottom 
Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster
This needs to come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
I have whole new  set up
But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:08 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

 You win the prize Edd.  Got in there with a dental pick and fine screwdriver 
near the tube exit and managed to free it and pull it out.  Thanks for the 
help.  But that was only the first of the problems with the new lights.  Will 
post tomorrow when I calm down so not too inflamatory.  Dave

On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

David,

When I did some rewiring (on the 37+), there was some sealant inside the tube, 
and it was keeping the wire from moving. I used a very fine screwdriver to 
“pick" it free.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

It may be sealant at the deck.  Does the vertical tube go into a deck fitting?  
If so, remove any set screws and try to lift the tube.  You may have to do the 
same to an adjacent tube.  Once you lift the tube you may see your issue.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:10 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had another problem the other day that I can’t figure out.  I am replacing 
the bow and stern lights with LED.  The wire from the old stern light runs into 
the stainless steel vertical tube of the rear rail and down into the port 
lazarette.  I have been unable to budge the wire by pulling on it from the 
bottom even though it appears loose at the top.  The bow lights are similar and 
the wire pulls out easily.  I can’t see anything holding the wire so I am 
wondering if anyone has ideas or has encountered this problem and solved it.  
Thanks- Dave

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Very cool! I was really just kidding but great info
I have never flown my soin on Halcyon.but PO said he could handle it himself ( 
yeah in 3 knots) lol
I am thinking 4 and a driver would do it
I run 3 people and on my Ethcells with a full spin.helmsman, ( does alot beside 
drive) jib trimmer, and 1 foredeck
but things are alot smaller for these skinny little babies
30 ft of fun !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

John,

As I’m sure other 37+ owners will agree, 9 is a good number for racing with a 
symmetrical spinnaker. 8 is the minimum.

The crew shirts had a chest logo (similar to the Kirk-era movies) and a 
shoulder logo that was a boat-themed version of what the crew wore on the “Star 
Trek: Enterprise” television series. Nothing on the back.

While it started as a joke, I assigned ranks to crew based on experience and 
responsibilities, but ultimately I found the “chain of command” worked very 
well in racing situations. Much less arguing.

Here’s a shot of my father, Lt. Commander Richard Schillay, in his crew 
“uniform”:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg?dl=0

I’m now looking to build a new team down here in Florida.

Our prime directive is very simple: Wherever we go, we go boldly.

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

 Wow 9 heads on deck ?
Smart lookin crew!
Do Shirts have pocket logo AND across back as well? :)


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:00 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I think the arrow makes it faster.
On March 19, 2020 at 3:41 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Sheesh — what kind of person would put the name of his boat “as bold as 
dogshit” all over the side of the boat…..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5skh1glh9hgzaqq/Enterprise%20-%20PreStart.png?dl=0

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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[Stu via CnC-List]

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87   is totally unacceptable as 
the subject line in emails to our group.

Please change to reflect on the content of your email – and remember to trim it 
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Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

John,

As I’m sure other 37+ owners will agree, 9 is a good number for racing with a 
symmetrical spinnaker. 8 is the minimum. 

The crew shirts had a chest logo (similar to the Kirk-era movies) and a 
shoulder logo that was a boat-themed version of what the crew wore on the “Star 
Trek: Enterprise” television series. Nothing on the back. 

While it started as a joke, I assigned ranks to crew based on experience and 
responsibilities, but ultimately I found the “chain of command” worked very 
well in racing situations. Much less arguing. 

Here’s a shot of my father, Lt. Commander Richard Schillay, in his crew 
“uniform”:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg?dl=0

I’m now looking to build a new team down here in Florida. 

Our prime directive is very simple: Wherever we go, we go boldly. 

All the best, 

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 

 Wow 9 heads on deck ? 
Smart lookin crew!
Do Shirts have pocket logo AND across back as well? :) 


John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:00 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> I think the arrow makes it faster.
>> On March 19, 2020 at 3:41 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> Sheesh — what kind of person would put the name of his boat “as bold as 
>> dogshit” all over the side of the boat….. 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5skh1glh9hgzaqq/Enterprise%20-%20PreStart.png?dl=0 
>>  
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>> 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thanks! I will give that a go! I believe this is all original 1982 i was able 
to get stern, and port  but starboard is not budging so hopefully i can turn 
otherwise  will just to change to a new mount and lense

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, James Nichols via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I've always drilled out the heads of the screws for any that are stripped
> and then once the lens is off, you should be able to grab the remainder of
> the screw with a set of needle nose vice grips to back it out.
> 
> Use a bit that is the same size as the body of the screw, not the size of
> the screw head.  The head should come off like a ring on the drill bit, and
> run the drill pretty slowly with good even pressure.
> 
> James
> SV Kristy
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:11:01 +
> From: John Conklin 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail
>tube
> Message-ID:
>
>  ook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and
> bottom Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster This needs to
> come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
> I have whole new  set up
> But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !
> 
> 
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 87

[James Nichols via CnC-List]

John,

I've always drilled out the heads of the screws for any that are stripped
and then once the lens is off, you should be able to grab the remainder of
the screw with a set of needle nose vice grips to back it out.

Use a bit that is the same size as the body of the screw, not the size of
the screw head.  The head should come off like a ring on the drill bit, and
run the drill pretty slowly with good even pressure.

James
SV Kristy

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:11:01 +
From: John Conklin 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail
tube
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and
bottom Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster This needs to
come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
I have whole new  set up
But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


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Re: Stus-List Boat documentation numbers

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Wow 9 heads on deck ?
Smart lookin crew!
Do Shirts have pocket logo AND across back as well? :)


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:00 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I think the arrow makes it faster.
On March 19, 2020 at 3:41 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Sheesh — what kind of person would put the name of his boat “as bold as 
dogshit” all over the side of the boat…..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5skh1glh9hgzaqq/Enterprise%20-%20PreStart.png?dl=0

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


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Re: Stus-List Boat projects again- wire running through rail tube

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Following as I cannot remove the lense on my bow light :( small top and  bottom 
Phillips head are stripped. Even hit em with PB blaster
This needs to come of  to get to 2 bolts the hold casing to pulpit.
I have whole new  set up
But hoping there may be a solution?  Before smashing it !


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:08 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

 You win the prize Edd.  Got in there with a dental pick and fine screwdriver 
near the tube exit and managed to free it and pull it out.  Thanks for the 
help.  But that was only the first of the problems with the new lights.  Will 
post tomorrow when I calm down so not too inflamatory.  Dave

On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

David,

When I did some rewiring (on the 37+), there was some sealant inside the tube, 
and it was keeping the wire from moving. I used a very fine screwdriver to 
“pick" it free.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

It may be sealant at the deck.  Does the vertical tube go into a deck fitting?  
If so, remove any set screws and try to lift the tube.  You may have to do the 
same to an adjacent tube.  Once you lift the tube you may see your issue.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:10 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had another problem the other day that I can’t figure out.  I am replacing 
the bow and stern lights with LED.  The wire from the old stern light runs into 
the stainless steel vertical tube of the rear rail and down into the port 
lazarette.  I have been unable to budge the wire by pulling on it from the 
bottom even though it appears loose at the top.  The bow lights are similar and 
the wire pulls out easily.  I can’t see anything holding the wire so I am 
wondering if anyone has ideas or has encountered this problem and solved it.  
Thanks- Dave

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 86

[James Nichols via CnC-List]

Shawn,

My C 39 has an e-tiller that is simply a 3' piece of steel pipe welded to
a 3" piece of heavy gage square tube that fits over the rudder post fairly
snuggly.  The pipe is welded on at about a 20 degree angle (above
horizontal) and my post is right under the binnacle with easy access to it
from in front.  When the e-tiller is mounted, you can sit on one of the
lazarettes and steer fairly comfortably, with your feet.  Steering by hand
requires a lot of hunching over and little visibility.

James
SV Kristy

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:39:23 -0700
From: Shawn Wright 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This thread reminds me that I still haven't finished fabricating the
e-tiller for my 35-2. I think I asked a while back, but if anyone has a
photo of an original 35 mk2 tiller, I'd love to see it. It is quite
different from the mk1, since the rudder post is behind the pedestal. What
came with the boat is a thick steel plate that clamps on the rudder post,
then a vertical aluminum pipe to bring the height to almost above the wheel,
ending in a "T" welded to the pipe. I have a few ideas on how to make a
tiller to attach to "T", but am still curious to see what an original looks
like.

Oh, and my re-wiring job that is quickly progressing to a complete teardown
of the boat has almost reach the steering gear, so an inspection under there
is imminent. Things looked good in terms of nicely greased and clean, but
the issue of cable damage caused by rudder turning too far needs to be
checked - my rudder turns beyond 45 degrees at full lock.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto





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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

This thread reminds me that I still haven't finished fabricating the
e-tiller for my 35-2. I think I asked a while back, but if anyone has a
photo of an original 35 mk2 tiller, I'd love to see it. It is quite
different from the mk1, since the rudder post is behind the pedestal. What
came with the boat is a thick steel plate that clamps on the rudder post,
then a vertical aluminum pipe to bring the height to almost above the
wheel, ending in a "T" welded to the pipe. I have a few ideas on how to
make a tiller to attach to "T", but am still curious to see what an
original looks like.

Oh, and my re-wiring job that is quickly progressing to a complete teardown
of the boat has almost reach the steering gear, so an inspection under
there is imminent. Things looked good in terms of nicely greased and clean,
but the issue of cable damage caused by rudder turning too far needs to be
checked - my rudder turns beyond 45 degrees at full lock.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:12 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I always wonder why these things happen always in a gale…
>
>
>
> Talking about the Baltic (this time not the boat, but the sea), on a
> different boat (45 ft steel boat, built like a tank), when we were sailing
> in the middle of the Gulf of Finland, the cable snapped during a gale
> (about 35 kt.). We used an emergency tiller, which was set at 90 deg angle
> (kind of tricky to steer) and was about a foot and a half long. The
> helmsman would last for about 30 - 45 min. In the meantime, the off-watch
> people (two of them) hanged heads down in the lazarette and replaced the
> cable (we had a spare). Suffice to say that they skipped the meal that
> evening.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* 20 March, 2020 14:01
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller
>
>
>
> Sailing to Halifax from Bermuda one April on a C designed Baltic 51 when
> the steering cable snapped in the middle of the second of the three gales
> we encountered. Steered with the very short emergency tiller the rest of
> the way. We hooked lines to either side and led them to winches. We got
> pretty good at steering with it, though it did make for long watches.
>
> Andy
>
> Masquerade
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> https://burtonsailing.com/
> phone  +401 965 5260
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:53 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I was sailing to Hawaii on a 1973 Ericsson 35. We snapped a rudder cable
> twice in 24 hours, and had to use the e-tiller. Worked great, except for
> the compass being mounted behind the rudder post. On that boat the binnacle
> is mounted behind the rudder post.
>
> When the first cable snapped, on my watch, we tried sailing to the chart
> plotter. Too much lag to keep a course, and no reference points to keep an
> eye on. We hoove to, replaced 1 cable. I asked the capt if the other cable
> was ok. He said yes. Next morning on his watch that cable broke. This time
> in 16 ft seas, as to the 4 ft before.
>
> Thank God he had plenty of spare cable on board.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
>
> sv Rebecca Leah
>
> C Landfall 39
>
> Port Orchard yacht club
>
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Re: Stus-List Which metal should I use as a sacrificial anode?

[Jonathan Tebbens via CnC-List]

https://www.engineeringclicks.com/galvanic-series/

Good protection means being far enough apart on the series. The electrolyte
matters too. Zinc isn't so great at protecting aluminum (i.e. outboards) so
magnesium comes into use. Longevity, assuming that you have a reaction
going on, comes down to mass of the sacrificial metal. Redundancy in case
of physical loss is a tangential thought.

I have a block of zinc bolted to my iron keel, which has been working for
me in Lake Huron for >10 years. It's about the size of my cell phone.

Jon Tebbens
78 Mega "Katherine"



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, 23:02 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> From what I know, the aluminium is for brackish water and magnesium is for
> fresh.
>
>
>
>
> I’d like to get both max protection AND max life out of my anodes.  For
> those who sail in salty or brackish waters, which metal  are you all using,
> and what’s been the longevity?
>
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Stus-List Emergency tiller

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

On my 32, the emergency tiller connects to the rudder post, which is 
behind the binnacle, and faces aft towards the transom.  My boat has the 
'camel seat' and the emergency tiller just clears the top of the seat.  
I have never used it under way but I assume the boat turns to the same 
direction you position the emergency tiller handle, the opposite of what 
happens with a normal tiller.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C - #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Braggart...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Matt Wolford via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:58:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller


The setup on the C 42 Custom is ideal in my view.  The top of the rudder post 
exits the coaming at the back of the cockpit, several inches forward of the top 
of the transom/backstay.  As a result, if is very easy to access, and the 
emergency tiller is not obstructed by the wheel pedestal.  I have already 
complimented Rob on his excellent design.



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of dwight veinot via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 4:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller



Yes Joe the 35mki has the best emergency tiller setup of any C i have been 
on. Not so the 35mkii where the rudder post exits the cockpit sole aft of 
binnacle. I have tried my setup and with the steering wheel removed i had some 
steering control.




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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

The setup on the C 42 Custom is ideal in my view.  The top of the rudder post 
exits the coaming at the back of the cockpit, several inches forward of the top 
of the transom/backstay.  As a result, if is very easy to access, and the 
emergency tiller is not obstructed by the wheel pedestal.  I have already 
complimented Rob on his excellent design.

 

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CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

 

Yes Joe the 35mki has the best emergency tiller setup of any C i have been 
on. Not so the 35mkii where the rudder post exits the cockpit sole aft of 
binnacle. I have tried my setup and with the steering wheel removed i had some 
steering control. 

 



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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Yes Joe the 35mki has the best emergency tiller setup of any C i have
been on. Not so the 35mkii where the rudder post exits the cockpit sole aft
of binnacle. I have tried my setup and with the steering wheel removed i
had some steering control.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:32 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It is pretty stiff. If you actually wanted to sail the boat a lot that
> way, you would want a tiller about a foot longer, a hinge, and have the
> wheel steering disconnected.
> For an emergency tiller setup it is the best I have ever seen.
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Neil
> Gallagher via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:26 PM
> To: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> Cc: Neil Gallagher 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller
>
> Joe,
>
> I am remiss it actually trying mine, but how does behave when back-driving
> the quadrant with the wires/chain/wheel?  Is it difficult to turn?
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
>
> On 3/20/2020 1:11 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
> > Fortunately the 35 MK I tiller is actually usable to sail the boat and
> > if it were 1 foot longer and had a hinge it would be like the boat was
> > designed to be tiller steered. I used to use it to sail from under the
> > dodger.
> >
> > Joe Coquina
> >
> >
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