Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Hi Dave
I would like the pics on the windless
I have sister ship  and want to. Cruise more and back is shot so i have green 
light to get one :)

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Mar 15, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
wrote:


Pete,

Since I’m not on the criteria list of having mounted a battery for the windless 
in the bow/v-berth area  on our 1982 37’ I thought I’d weigh in anyway. 
Apologies in advance but I have to agree with Josh.

I mounted a Lewmar windlass on a shelf in the anchor locker. I thought quite a 
bit about doing what you are thinking about. And discarded the idea pretty 
quickly.

I didn’t want to add any more weight to dragging down the fine entry of our 
boats. Anchor chain was enough. I didn’t want to add another battery to the 
existing system. I’ve already done enough fabrication on the boat so wanted to 
avoid that too. I didn’t want to think about charging the battery that far 
forward either.

I settled on just running large cable from the house bank in the port locker to 
the windless along the port hull to the anchor locker with waterproof glands 
through the bulkhead. The breaker switch is located to port (next to existing 
battery switch location) at the base of the companionway steps. The solenoid 
for the control switches are mounted up under deck, to port in the anchor 
locker.

Just my $0.02.

Pictures of installation available upon request.

Best regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana

P.S. Our powerboat deals with powering the windless in the same fashion.

On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hey all,

As I prepare to mount a new windlass on my ‘85 37, I intend to install a new 
AGM 12v on the centerline just aft of the holding tank. There is plenty of room 
here for a battery platform and accessibility is fair. I’ve done my homework on 
voltage drop, cable size, etc. but if you have specific experience on a 37 with 
a fwd-mounted battery, I’m mostly ears.

My question relates to ventilation. The under-berth space is fairly large, but 
I know AGMs need to gas and I don’t want to create a hazard. Any suggestions 
for adding an adequate vent to this area?

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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I got my headsail From Precision.  I'm very happy with the communication and 
work that they did.  In fact, I brought my sail in for storage and inspection 
to the Quantum Loft near by and he even said it was well built sail.   He 
wanted to trash it but as we opened up on the loft floor he kept point to the 
good work they did and in the end said "it's a nice sail" I would go with them 
again if they gave me a good price.  Although, I got a nice quote from Neil 
Pryde on my main, they're only abut an hour away.  Turned out I didn't need a 
new main.  My existing sail is a Neil Pryde so, I sent it to him to have a look 
and he sent it back repaired saying I would get another 5 to 7 years out of it 
no problem.  His price to replace was nearly half what Quantum wanted for the 
same specifications.  I think part of that was that he still had the pattern 
from when he built the first one so, there was no design time involved.  But 
still, half?  I went back to quantum and he tried to say that the sail would be 
inferior and he'd like to see the quote to compare.  So, I sent him the quote 
and he never responded.  Which is sad seeing I'd given him nearly all my 
business over the years.  with the exception of the Precision sail. Danny

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Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:03:29 +


Lots of sailmakers in the Toronto area  UK, Doyle, North are the big 
ones, and a number of small ones!
 
And had a Haarstick genoa on our 27 great sail, cut at their Rochester loft. 
Assembles at their Hamilton Ontario affiliate (now Bay Sails)
 
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
 Sent: March 16, 2021 9:59 AM
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
 
Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina
 
Ps  anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, 
back in the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was 
great. That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it 
finally went to the great sail loft in the sky.
 
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
 To: 'Stus-List' 
 Cc: Bill Coleman 
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
 
The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right  Now 
where are you going to get your repairs done?
This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.  
UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.
 
 
Bill Coleman
Erie, PA
 
 
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Stus-List Re: forestay tension

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Absolutely Bruce!  That's great anecdotal evidence of how little of an
adjustment impacts the helm.  You're also right that the weather helm VS
Lee helm is ultimately what you are trying to adjust.  Remember that slight
weather helm is desirable as Lee helm can actually be dangerous since the
boat won't round up into the wind.  So more rake = more weather helm.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 08:02 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> By tightening or loosening the forestry, you affect weather or lee helm.
> We had a little too much weather helm for my liking, so I tightened the
> forestay, probably reducing the forestay length by about 1/2".  It doesn't
> sound like much, but it got my weather helm just where I like it (a little,
> but no more than  about 1/8 turn of the wheel under most sailing
> conditions).  Others may be right that the adjustment should have occurred
> at the mast partners, but I didn't think about it at the time.  My point is
> that as others have said, forestay tension should be adjusted  y tightening
> the backstay, but don't forget that it will affect weather helm as well.
>
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My bow water tank probably weighs 300-400 pounds or more when full. You can
REALLY tell the difference.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

 

Tartan put my whole house bank up there under the V-berth.  # group 27s.

 

I'm planning on replacing my batteries this year with firefly batteries!  I
have to get in see the biggest I can fit

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "'Stus-List'" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  
Subject: Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:11:46 -0400

Don't put a battery up there. That is a lot of weight in the wrong place and
then you have to deal with charging issues.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMCo-2-Gauge-AWG-Welding-Lead-Car-Battery-Cable-Co
pper-Wire-MADE-USA-/371701459250?var=

=item952b8102dd

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Tartan put my whole house bank up there under the V-berth.  # group 27s. I'm 
planning on replacing my batteries this year with firefly batteries!  I have to 
get in see the biggest I can fit

-- Original Message --
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
To: "'Stus-List'" 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:11:46 -0400


Dont put a battery up there. That is a lot of weight in the wrong place 
and then you have to deal with charging issues.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMCo-2-Gauge-AWG-Welding-Lead-Car-Battery-Cable-Copper-Wire-MADE-USA-/371701459250?var==item952b8102dd
 
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA
 
 
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Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Got the message—have decided to use the house bank and run 1/0 as low as low as 
I can up to the windlass. 

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Stus-List Re: windlass battery under vee-berth

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Don’t put a battery up there. That is a lot of weight in the wrong place and 
then you have to deal with charging issues.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEMCo-2-Gauge-AWG-Welding-Lead-Car-Battery-Cable-Copper-Wire-MADE-USA-/371701459250?var=
 

 =item952b8102dd

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Boston - Doyle Sailmakers in Point Edward (beside Sarnia) Ontario are 
excellent sailmakers both for new and for service. They make em right 
there. Experienced and successful racers themselves, they do pretty much 
everything. No relation, just a satisfied customer of many years.



Steve Thomas
C MKIII Port Stanley, ON
C MKIMerritt Island, FL




 -- Original Message --
 From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: p...@seasource.ca
 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 12:03 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails


Lots of sailmakers in the Toronto area – UK, Doyle, North are the big 
ones, and a number of small ones!


And had a Haarstick genoa on our 27 great sail, cut at their Rochester 
loft. Assembles at their Hamilton Ontario affiliate (now Bay Sails)




From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 Sent: March 16, 2021 9:59 AM
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails



Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. 
There does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean 
literally making sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would 
repair sails  I would hope.

Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, 
back in the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for 
us was great. That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles 
on it when it finally went to the great sail loft in the sky.







From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  >

 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
 To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 



 Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails



The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – 
Now where are you going to get your repairs done?

This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.
UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.


Bill Coleman
Erie, PA








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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Dave S via CnC-List]

That’s good to know!  

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> I was just about to say the same thing.   I have had good results or work 
> done at all 3.
> 
> i believe the Steven's loft does still do work for the Bluenose.
> 
> Adam
> C 36
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
> 
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 11:07 a.m.
> To: 'Stus-List'
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada
> 
> North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
> Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
> near Lunenburg and one other?)
>  
> The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
> travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia
> 
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Mike

I was just about to say the same thing.   I have had good results or work done 
at all 3.

i believe the Steven's loft does still do work for the Bluenose.

Adam
C 36

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 11:07 a.m.
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
near Lunenburg and one other?)

The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia

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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Lots of sailmakers in the Toronto area – UK, Doyle, North are the big ones, and 
a number of small ones!

And had a Haarstick genoa on our 27 great sail, cut at their Rochester loft. 
Assembles at their Hamilton Ontario affiliate (now Bay Sails)

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: March 16, 2021 9:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – Now where 
are you going to get your repairs done?
This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.
UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.


Bill Coleman
Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Ours came from UKNW in Sidney, BC.  Stewart actually brought them through U S 
Customs and delivered and installed both.  The mailsail for our in boom furling 
was built completely wrong by some loft in upstate NY.  So, I knew the last it 
needed to be build correctly.  It was!  Fixed a bunch of issues we’d been 
having.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Mar 16, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> There are two very active lofts here, Leitch-McBride and UK Sails NW. My last 
> sails two years ago were sold to me by LM but made by (I think) Doyle in the 
> US and finished locally. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

There are two very active lofts here, Leitch-McBride and UK Sails NW. My
last sails two years ago were sold to me by LM but made by (I think) Doyle
in the US and finished locally.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 08:43, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think Michelle Stevens’ loft built sails for Bluenose. I believe the R B
> Stevens brand was sold to North Sails.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:22 AM Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Glen Eddie*
>>
>> Tel:  416-777-5357
>>
>> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
>>
>> *Torkin Manes LLP*
>> Barristers & Solicitors
>>
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>>
>> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* March-16-21 10:07 AM
>> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
>> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada
>>
>>
>>
>> North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova
>> Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK
>> loft near Lunenburg and one other?)
>>
>>
>>
>> The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if
>> travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* March 16, 2021 10:59 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
>>
>>
>>
>> Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria.
>> There does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally
>> making sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I
>> would hope.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails,
>> back in the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us
>> was great. That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it
>> when it finally went to the great sail loft in the sky.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I think Michelle Stevens’ loft built sails for Bluenose. I believe the R B
Stevens brand was sold to North Sails.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:22 AM Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Glen Eddie*
>
> Tel:  416-777-5357
>
> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
>
> *Torkin Manes LLP*
> Barristers & Solicitors
>
> This email message, and any attachments, is intended only for the named
> recipient(s) above and may contain content that is privileged, confidential
> and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received
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> message. Thank you.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* March-16-21 10:07 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada
>
>
>
> North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova
> Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK
> loft near Lunenburg and one other?)
>
>
>
> The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if
> travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* March 16, 2021 10:59 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
>
>
>
> Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria.
> There does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally
> making sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I
> would hope.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails,
> back in the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us
> was great. That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it
> when it finally went to the great sail loft in the sky.
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Lots of You tubers  make deals with Precision Sails  I know of 5 that have 
gotten sails from them and they all seem happy

John C

On Mar 15, 2021, at 11:08 PM, Bob Mann via CnC-List 
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I've emailed shipmate to find out exact name of company.  I don't want to 
badmouth a good company so hold my comment from previous email until I get 
confirmation.

Bob
On 03/15/2021 11:03 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
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I just heard about them from a shipmate, at least I think it's the same company.

DON'T

If you ever get your sails they will be great but significant issues in getting 
the product.  Check them out on line and via Better Business Bureau.

Bob
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HI All
Am in market for a spinnaker and came across Precision Sails of Sydney BC in 
Canada.  I measure, they fabricate and ship no taxes or duties.  Offer 
different shapes for differing conditions.  Pricing is attractive – approx 2 
boat bucks
www.precisionsailloft.com

Any comments or experience?

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT


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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Unless I’m very mistaken, The Toronto ‘lofts’ at are in name only.  Not sure 
about others in the country.  They are typically agents for Sails made 
elsewhere nowadays, (I think UK pioneered this model?) who still do mods and 
repairs.
Evolution was the last scratch builder here, who closed their loft and the 
franchise is now held by one of the employees - doing repairs and selling sails 
made elsewhere.   Doesn’t seem fully engaged tbh.

If there are lofts in other parts of Canada that make sails from scratch - 
that’s encouraging, but I’d expect many are agents.  

Tough way to make a living here.

Dave 

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> Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?
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> North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
> Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
> near Lunenburg and one other?)
>  
> The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
> travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
>  
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
> Sent: March 16, 2021 10:59 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
>  
> Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
> does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
> sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back 
> in the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was 
> great. That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when 
> it finally went to the great sail loft in the sky.
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

Years ago, I rented a cottage with the family at the entrance to the loft at 
the end of the peninsula (I think it was in 2005).  Of course I had go over to 
the loft and take a look around.  There at the side of the loft was the largest 
sail I have ever seen.  It was from the blue nose.  I think it was the 
mainsail, but cant say for sure.   The place was so unassuming.

Very cool experience.


Glen Eddie

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This is an external email.

Yes and very good cruising sails

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?



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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
near Lunenburg and one other?)

The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.

From: Bill


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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Yes and very good cruising sails

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

 

Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?

 

 

 



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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

 

North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
near Lunenburg and one other?)

 

The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?

 

Mike

Persistence

Halifax

 

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Sent: March 16, 2021 10:59 AM
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

 

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.

Joe

Coquina

 

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.

 

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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

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Does Stevens still do the sails for the Blue Nose?



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Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
near Lunenburg and one other?)

The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.

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Stus-List Babystay stud attachment, 1994 C 37/40 repair

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,

A few weeks back I posted about the stud breaking on the bottom of the
babystay track reinforcement rigging as it goes down to the grid/hull.

A couple of your comments got me thinking.  One suggested the rod might go
into the keel.  I checked that, and no, the swing keel doesn't start until
12" or so further back (at least based on the drawings).  This got me
wondering if there was a plate buried in the grid itself that the rod
threaded into.  That may be the case, though some thoughtful drilling with
a small bit failed to find such a plate.  This leads me to believe there is
either a smaller plate than I envisioned on the underside of the grid, or
there is a plate glassed to the hull itself, used to spread the load.  At
any rate, I could not ultimately determine where the original threaded rod
was anchored.

Many suggested the babystay itself isn't really needed, as most of you seem
to sail without it.  That said, I have a personal preference to return
things as much as possible to the designed plan.

So, here is what things looked like, and how I am planning on fixing it.
Please be so kind as to criticize or suggest further reinforcement if you
think it is warranted!

First, here is what the grid looked like after I got access to it, and
sanded down the area:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5q92xsvmtf8k4jp/Broken%20babystay%20stud.jpg?dl=0

I then put a layer or so of glass for everything else to attach to after
cleaning and sanding the grid/stringer to serve as a base for a 2" x 6"
stainless plate with a rod.  That threaded rod is also tack welded in
place. I figured this would help give everything something strong to attach
to.  Here it is bedded in thickened epoxy:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/war26k2v9klfdeu/Babystay%20plate%20bedded%20in%20thickened%20epoxy.jpg?dl=0

I then sanded the excess thickened epoxy away, and laid down 8-10 layers of
6 oz. fiberglass cloth with epoxy.  Each layer is about 12 inches long,
sufficient to attach from the bottom of the grid (or slightly overlapping
onto the hull), up and over the plate, and back down the other side.  Due
to limited access, there are wider layers you can see in the front of the
photo (approximately 4" wide) with smaller ones about 2" wide behind the
stud.  I tried to overlap the plate and work the layers in place so they
wrapped around the base of the stud and overlapped a bit with marginal
success.

Finally, as a bit of reference, here is the top of the piece of rod
rigging, where you can see the plate that bolts to the bottom of the plate
that is buried in the deck, onto which the babystay track is bolted. The
purpose of this is, as others have pointed out, to keep the deck from
lifting when substantial babystay tension is added.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wgk3frqrbnldvj6/Underside%20of%20deck%20rod%20attachment.jpg?dl=0

There are two 5/16" stainless studs that attach the plate.

So, what are your thoughts?  I feel as though the layers of fiberglass
holding down a 6" x 2" plate to the grid/stringer will be as strong if not
stronger than the upper plate with two studs/nuts.  Further, it seems to me
that the grid/stringer should, at least in theory, be sufficiently strong
to spread the load.  That said, I'm NOT an engineer, and thus am looking
for input from the hive mind.

What say you?

Thanks in advance!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails - sailmakers in Canada

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

North, Doyle and Michelle Stevens lofts still build sails locally in Nova 
Scotia.  There may be a couple of others as well in business (maybe a UK loft 
near Lunenburg and one other?)

The big question though is do sails have to self isolate for 14 days if 
travelling from Ontario to Nova Scotia?

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: March 16, 2021 10:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.

From: Bill
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Google-Fu shows three sailmakers in Toronto and three more in Victoria. There 
does appear to still be sailmakers in Canada. If you mean literally making 
sails from scratch, maybe not, but they still would repair sails I would hope.
Joe
Coquina

Ps – anyone remember Haarstick sails? I still have some of their sails, back in 
the day we really liked them and the furling genoa they made for us was great. 
That thing was the equivalent of a car with 300,000 miles on it when it finally 
went to the great sail loft in the sky.
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – Now where 
are you going to get your repairs done?
This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.
UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.


Bill Coleman
Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If I were going with  a discount loft I would use National Sail Supply or
Bacon Sails.  First rate product and service from both.  national stocks
many chutes, so no waiting.

Joel

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:57 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> “The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think “
>
> Wow! That isn’t good.
> I guess I am incredibly lucky to have several sailmakers and rigging shops
> within a 30 minute drive of my house. How can someplace like Toronto not
> support even one sailmaker?
>
> I doubt I would ever mail order a main or jib, our local discount
> sailmaker probably gets them from the same discount loft, but at least they
> can do repairs and alternations here and come to my boat. Also not my bad
> if they measure the boat and get it wrong.
>
> Spinnakers – maybe. The fit is nowhere near as critical. A stock asym that
> is around the right size is WAY cheaper than a bespoke sail, I am guessing
> maybe 50% cheaper or more. I think the last chute we bought was something
> like $3800 and that was a LONG time ago and a stock asym for my boat now in
> 2021 might be half that.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails
>
>
>
> The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – Now
> where are you going to get your repairs done?
>
> This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.
>
> UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

“The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think “
Wow! That isn’t good.
I guess I am incredibly lucky to have several sailmakers and rigging shops 
within a 30 minute drive of my house. How can someplace like Toronto not 
support even one sailmaker?
I doubt I would ever mail order a main or jib, our local discount sailmaker 
probably gets them from the same discount loft, but at least they can do 
repairs and alternations here and come to my boat. Also not my bad if they 
measure the boat and get it wrong.
Spinnakers – maybe. The fit is nowhere near as critical. A stock asym that is 
around the right size is WAY cheaper than a bespoke sail, I am guessing maybe 
50% cheaper or more. I think the last chute we bought was something like $3800 
and that was a LONG time ago and a stock asym for my boat now in 2021 might be 
half that.

Joe
Coquina

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:01 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – Now where 
are you going to get your repairs done?
This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.
UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.


Bill Coleman
Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

I heard back from my shipmate and the loft he heard/found bad things about was 
Peak Sails, not Precision.

My apologies to Precision sails for mistaking them.

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Stus-List Re: forestay tension

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

By tightening or loosening the forestry, you affect weather or lee helm.
We had a little too much weather helm for my liking, so I tightened the
forestay, probably reducing the forestay length by about 1/2".  It doesn't
sound like much, but it got my weather helm just where I like it (a little,
but no more than  about 1/8 turn of the wheel under most sailing
conditions).  Others may be right that the adjustment should have occurred
at the mast partners, but I didn't think about it at the time.  My point is
that as others have said, forestay tension should be adjusted  y tightening
the backstay, but don't forget that it will affect weather helm as well.


Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think  Right – Now where 
are you going to get your repairs done?

This is the problem, and why Local businesses matter.  

UKNW in Sidney is still open, nice folks.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dave S via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 7:51 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

 

Fwiw 

 

Ordered an asymmetrical spin from rolly tasker in Thailand - no issues at all.  

 

Ordered a Genoa this winter received as and when  promised, haven’t set it yet 
but expect no issues this time either.  

 

Would order from them again.  Quite attentive and professional, delivered on 
time and exactly as promised. 

 

Ordered a main from a local loft at a significant premium vs offshore due to 
concern about any adjustments required plus the need to acquire the lengthy 
full battens locally due to shipping.   Good folks, good consultation but they 
made a a few errors and were weeks late. Am happy with the sail and the 
experience overall, but the customer experience and price were better from 
Thailand.

The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think, all future sails 
will be foreign-made.  

 

Dave - 33-2

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
wrote:



I agree with the local loft sentiment. Precision sails has good prices if all 
you want is a basic sail but everything (reef points, reinforcing, better sail 
cloth, bags, etc) is additional and it adds up. By the time you add the 
features the price was close to what Doyle had to offer here in MA. I paid tax 
but no shipping and got some great sails made right here in New England. Also 
the lofts will usually negotiate on price in my experience and match or come 
close to other quotes for equivalent product. 

 

Doyle's service was excellent and I could bring my old sail to them so they 
swapped the track slides and everything. 

 

Nathan

S/V Wisper

C

Lynn, MA

 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 01:24 ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
wrote:

I recommend going with a loft near you. If the sails by Precision aren't 
acceptable, you might not have any recourse. There's an advantage to having a 
sailmaker come to your boat and make the measurements. After the sails are 
made, they can go out with you and observe how they fly. They can make any 
adjustments based on what they see. I use the local North loft, and the owner 
has given me excellent service. Once I started using him for my sails, I never 
went to anyone else to compare prices. 




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 7:00 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
 wrote:

HI All

Am in market for a spinnaker and came across Precision Sails of Sydney BC in 
Canada.  I measure, they fabricate and ship no taxes or duties.  Offer 
different shapes for differing conditions.  Pricing is attractive – approx 2 
boat bucks

www.precisionsailloft.com 

 

 

Any comments or experience?

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Fwiw 

Ordered an asymmetrical spin from rolly tasker in Thailand - no issues at all.  

Ordered a Genoa this winter received as and when  promised, haven’t set it yet 
but expect no issues this time either.  

Would order from them again.  Quite attentive and professional, delivered on 
time and exactly as promised. 

Ordered a main from a local loft at a significant premium vs offshore due to 
concern about any adjustments required plus the need to acquire the lengthy 
full battens locally due to shipping.   Good folks, good consultation but they 
made a a few errors and were weeks late. Am happy with the sail and the 
experience overall, but the customer experience and price were better from 
Thailand.
The local loft is now closed- the last one in Canada I think, all future sails 
will be foreign-made.  

Dave - 33-2




Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 6:06 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree with the local loft sentiment. Precision sails has good prices if all 
> you want is a basic sail but everything (reef points, reinforcing, better 
> sail cloth, bags, etc) is additional and it adds up. By the time you add the 
> features the price was close to what Doyle had to offer here in MA. I paid 
> tax but no shipping and got some great sails made right here in New England. 
> Also the lofts will usually negotiate on price in my experience and match or 
> come close to other quotes for equivalent product. 
> 
> Doyle's service was excellent and I could bring my old sail to them so they 
> swapped the track slides and everything. 
> 
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C
> Lynn, MA
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 01:24 ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> I recommend going with a loft near you. If the sails by Precision aren't 
>> acceptable, you might not have any recourse. There's an advantage to having 
>> a sailmaker come to your boat and make the measurements. After the sails are 
>> made, they can go out with you and observe how they fly. They can make any 
>> adjustments based on what they see. I use the local North loft, and the 
>> owner has given me excellent service. Once I started using him for my sails, 
>> I never went to anyone else to compare prices. 
>> 
>> Alan Bergen
>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>> Rose City YC
>> Portland, OR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 7:00 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> HI All
>>> 
>>> Am in market for a spinnaker and came across Precision Sails of Sydney BC 
>>> in Canada.  I measure, they fabricate and ship no taxes or duties.  Offer 
>>> different shapes for differing conditions.  Pricing is attractive – approx 
>>> 2 boat bucks
>>> 
>>> www.precisionsailloft.com
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Any comments or experience?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John and Maryann
>>> 
>>> Legacy III
>>> 
>>> 1982 C 34
>>> 
>>> Noank, CT
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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>>>Thanks - Stu
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>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Sorry, just saw that you want a spinnaker. I just bought an asym for my
boat.  Precision was a bit less than Doyle but I talked Doyle down in
price  just by stating my budget and that the quote was just too high. Came
in under 3 boat bucks including the launching tube and bag.  Decided to
stay local.  Haven't flown it yet so I am looking forward to that this
spring.

Nathan


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 06:06 Nathan Post  wrote:

> I agree with the local loft sentiment. Precision sails has good prices if
> all you want is a basic sail but everything (reef points, reinforcing,
> better sail cloth, bags, etc) is additional and it adds up. By the time you
> add the features the price was close to what Doyle had to offer here in MA.
> I paid tax but no shipping and got some great sails made right here in New
> England. Also the lofts will usually negotiate on price in my experience
> and match or come close to other quotes for equivalent product.
>
> Doyle's service was excellent and I could bring my old sail to them so
> they swapped the track slides and everything.
>
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C
> Lynn, MA
>
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Stus-List Re: Precision Sails

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

I agree with the local loft sentiment. Precision sails has good prices if
all you want is a basic sail but everything (reef points, reinforcing,
better sail cloth, bags, etc) is additional and it adds up. By the time you
add the features the price was close to what Doyle had to offer here in MA.
I paid tax but no shipping and got some great sails made right here in New
England. Also the lofts will usually negotiate on price in my experience
and match or come close to other quotes for equivalent product.

Doyle's service was excellent and I could bring my old sail to them so they
swapped the track slides and everything.

Nathan
S/V Wisper
C
Lynn, MA

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 01:24 ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I recommend going with a loft near you. If the sails by Precision aren't
> acceptable, you might not have any recourse. There's an advantage to having
> a sailmaker come to your boat and make the measurements. After the sails
> are made, they can go out with you and observe how they fly. They can make
> any adjustments based on what they see. I use the local North loft, and the
> owner has given me excellent service. Once I started using him for my
> sails, I never went to anyone else to compare prices.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 7:00 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> HI All
>>
>> Am in market for a spinnaker and came across Precision Sails of Sydney BC
>> in Canada.  I measure, they fabricate and ship no taxes or duties.  Offer
>> different shapes for differing conditions.  Pricing is attractive – approx
>> 2 boat bucks
>>
>> www.precisionsailloft.com
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Any comments or experience?
>>
>>
>>
>> John and Maryann
>>
>> Legacy III
>>
>> 1982 C 34
>>
>> Noank, CT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
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>>  Thanks - Stu
>
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> - Stu
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