Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

That pretty much settles this discussion!

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts.


On 8/25/2021 2:26 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> Expanding foam has no structural strength at all and is easily
> compromised by water. I would not even think of it for this use.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* SV Mary Me via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:19 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* SV Mary Me 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core
>
> I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast,
> that a previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the
> owners manual, the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm
> working with the assumption that this has rotted away.
>
> The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base
> material for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the
> rotted material is dug out. I also thought about using expanding,
> self-hardening construction foam that could be shaved and shaped, then
> 'glassed over.
>
> Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?
>
> s/v Mary Me
>
> 1975 C&C 24
>
> Labelle, Florida USA
>

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1975 C&C 24
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Stus-List Re: Painting cabin headliner

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I painted my headliner panels in my 1980 c&c with regular ceiling paint after 
they got sooty from a kerosene lamp.  Looks fine 2 years later


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From: WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 6:28:23 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER 
Subject: Stus-List Painting cabin headliner

On my 1981 C n C 36 the cabin interior headliner is a vinyl glued to a thin 
sheet of Luan plywood.  I have removed all and am going to seal coat the 
plywood with epoxy.  Wondering if anyone painted theirs and how it turned out 
and lasted.  I see some spray paint for plastics and wonder if that might work.
   I could remove the vinyl and start over but that seems like a lot of work...
Bill Walker
Evening Star
PENTWATER, Mi.
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Stus-List Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Expanding foam has no structural strength at all and is easily compromised by 
water. I would not even think of it for this use.
Joe
Coquina

From: SV Mary Me via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: SV Mary Me 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast, that a 
previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the owners manual, 
the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm working with the 
assumption that this has rotted away.

The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base material 
for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the rotted material 
is dug out. I also thought about using expanding, self-hardening construction 
foam that could be shaved and shaped, then 'glassed over.

Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?


s/v Mary Me
1975 C&C 24
Labelle, Florida USA

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Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Here's a link to a deck peel project I did years ago.  You might find some
of the techniques helpful.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efLqnnjSpgx6hWam4uYFVvHj1_tGlpLN/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=113407513622865824748&rtpof=true&sd=true

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Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:19 AM SV Mary Me via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast,
> that a previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the
> owners manual, the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm
> working with the assumption that this has rotted away.
>
> The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base
> material for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the
> rotted material is dug out. I also thought about using expanding,
> self-hardening construction foam that could be shaved and shaped, then
> 'glassed over.
>
> Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?
>
>
> s/v Mary Me
> 1975 C&C 24
> Labelle, Florida USA
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

And that putty works good with new balsa core

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 2:28 PM dwight veinot  wrote:

> Maybe consider a polyester resin putty, glass beads or silica fibre mixed
> with the resin to make a mixture that has slow or no flow.
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 1:19 PM SV Mary Me via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast,
>> that a previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the
>> owners manual, the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm
>> working with the assumption that this has rotted away.
>>
>> The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base
>> material for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the
>> rotted material is dug out. I also thought about using expanding,
>> self-hardening construction foam that could be shaved and shaped, then
>> 'glassed over.
>>
>> Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?
>>
>>
>> s/v Mary Me
>> 1975 C&C 24
>> Labelle, Florida USA
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Maybe consider a polyester resin putty, glass beads or silica fibre mixed
with the resin to make a mixture that has slow or no flow.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 1:19 PM SV Mary Me via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast,
> that a previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the
> owners manual, the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm
> working with the assumption that this has rotted away.
>
> The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base
> material for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the
> rotted material is dug out. I also thought about using expanding,
> self-hardening construction foam that could be shaved and shaped, then
> 'glassed over.
>
> Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?
>
>
> s/v Mary Me
> 1975 C&C 24
> Labelle, Florida USA
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

[Brad Crawford via CnC-List]

Same here, mine has always worked great, never let me down.

 

Brad Crawford

Dora Pearl

C&C 36

Seattle

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 9:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: any Bruce anchor users?

 

Get it. I have a Bruce knock off never left me down  even once

 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:44 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Someone on my street is selling a 33 pound real Bruce for $150.  I think it 
will be an improvement over my Danforth. Any Bruce fans?

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Re: expanding foam

Back in the 70’s, prepping a C&C 39’s ice box for the Transpac race to Hawaii, 
we poured too much expanding foam into the space around the box.  As the 
overfill expanded it distorted the galley counter and bulkhead. We ended up 
cutting out the foam and starting over with much less mix and smaller pours.

I have repaired / replaced the balsa core in approximately 15 square feet of 
Calypso’s deck. I used mostly new balsa but around the mast where there are 
many halyard blocks I replaced the sodden plywood with epoxy laminations.

There’s much written about repairing balsa core decks that detail both short 
term and long term repairs.  Let me know if you have any follow up questions 
about deck repairs or my Calypso restoration project.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard 
(Knee deep in painting the topsides and deck)

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:19 AM, SV Mary Me via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast, that 
> a previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the owners 
> manual, the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm working with 
> the assumption that this has rotted away. 
> 
> The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base 
> material for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the 
> rotted material is dug out. I also thought about using expanding, 
> self-hardening construction foam that could be shaved and shaped, then 
> 'glassed over.
> 
> Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?
> 
> 
> s/v Mary Me
> 1975 C&C 24
> Labelle, Florida USA
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I would take a good look at Injectadeck — https://injectadeck.com 
 

I have not had a need to use it myself, but I know of others who have and swear 
by it. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B (for sale - NCC-1701-C is under contract)
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL












On Aug 25, 2021, at 12:19 PM, SV Mary Me via CnC-List  
wrote:

I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast, that a 
previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the owners manual, 
the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm working with the 
assumption that this has rotted away. 

The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base material 
for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the rotted material 
is dug out. I also thought about using expanding, self-hardening construction 
foam that could be shaved and shaped, then 'glassed over.

Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?


s/v Mary Me
1975 C&C 24
Labelle, Florida USA

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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: Painting cabin headliner

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I’ve painted mine using simple latex paints (color matched at Home Depot) and 
it worked great and held up perfectly for years.  I did not remove the vinyl 
but I had to Reggie it at some edges.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD 
(Presently on the Chesapeake Bay for the summer)

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:23 AM, cenelson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  I had my main cabin head/ceiling brush painted with 1 part Brightsides 
> (Pettit?) White and it looks better than new—especially the plastic hole 
> covers which now finally match the ceiling. Amazing how much nicer/finished 
> this looks compared to the original. 
> 
> Of course about 25 years have gone by since the boat was new—that might have 
> something to do with it! :>)
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 10:28 AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> On my 1981 C n C 36 the cabin interior headliner is a vinyl glued to a thin 
> sheet of Luan plywood.  I have removed all and am going to seal coat the 
> plywood with epoxy.  Wondering if anyone painted theirs and how it turned out 
> and lasted.  I see some spray paint for plastics and wonder if that might 
> work.
>I could remove the vinyl and start over but that seems like a lot of 
> work...
> Bill Walker
> Evening Star
> PENTWATER, Mi.
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Replacing Cabin/Deck Balsa Core

[SV Mary Me via CnC-List]

I've got some soft spots returning on the deck at the base of the mast, that a 
previous owner had made an attempt to shore up. According to the owners manual, 
the cabin-ceiling/deck sandwich is balsa cored, so I'm working with the 
assumption that this has rotted away.

The local supply store has a plastic honeycomb panel to use as a base material 
for fibreglass work that could use to fill the space, once the rotted material 
is dug out. I also thought about using expanding, self-hardening construction 
foam that could be shaved and shaped, then 'glassed over.

Has anyone used, or have any thoughts on using the expanding foam?

s/v Mary Me
1975 C&C 24
Labelle, Florida USAThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: Painting cabin headliner

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Can you share some pictures?



> On 08/25/2021 11:23 AM cenelson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I had my main cabin head/ceiling brush painted with 1 part Brightsides 
> (Pettit?) White and it looks better than new—especially the plastic hole 
> covers which now finally match the ceiling. Amazing how much nicer/finished 
> this looks compared to the original. 
> 
> Of course about 25 years have gone by since the boat was new—that might 
> have something to do with it! :>)
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 10:28 AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > On my 1981 C n C 36 the cabin interior headliner is a 
> vinyl glued to a thin sheet of Luan plywood.  I have removed all and am going 
> to seal coat the plywood with epoxy.  Wondering if anyone painted theirs and 
> how it turned out and lasted.  I see some spray paint for plastics and wonder 
> if that might work.
> >I could remove the vinyl and start over but that seems like a 
> > lot of work...
> > Bill Walker
> > Evening Star
> > PENTWATER, Mi.
> > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
> > help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list 
> > - use PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
> > help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list 
> > - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks 
> > - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: Painting cabin headliner

[cenelson via CnC-List]

I had my main cabin head/ceiling brush painted with 1 part Brightsides 
(Pettit?) White and it looks better than new—especially the plastic hole covers 
which now finally match the ceiling. Amazing how much nicer/finished this looks 
compared to the original. 
Of course about 25 years have gone by since the boat was new—that might have 
something to do with it! :>)
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom


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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 10:28 AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
 wrote:

On my 1981 C n C 36 the cabin interior headliner is a vinyl glued to a thin 
sheet of Luan plywood.  I have removed all and am going to seal coat the 
plywood with epoxy.  Wondering if anyone painted theirs and how it turned out 
and lasted.  I see some spray paint for plastics and wonder if that might work. 
  I could remove the vinyl and start over but that seems like a lot of 
work...Bill WalkerEvening StarPENTWATER, Mi.Thanks to all of the subscribers 
that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to 
show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu


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Stus-List Painting cabin headliner

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

On my 1981 C n C 36 the cabin interior headliner is a vinyl glued to a thin 
sheet of Luan plywood.  I have removed all and am going to seal coat the 
plywood with epoxy.  Wondering if anyone painted theirs and how it turned out 
and lasted.  I see some spray paint for plastics and wonder if that might work. 
  I could remove the vinyl and start over but that seems like a lot of 
work...Bill WalkerEvening StarPENTWATER, Mi.Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu