Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

Glad to hear all are ok. Out here on the west coast I would like a little bit 
of your wind. Sailind down to San Diego in 2-10kts of wind makes for a long 
motor. Heading out the Straits of Juan de Fuca we beat head on into 19kts of 
wind. Turned the corner at Cape Flattery today, we were able to sail for a 
couple of hours before the wind died. Currently anchored in a little recess 
heading to Grays Harbor tomorrow 75 nm south. Predict wind is calling for 10 - 
15 kt winds on a broad reach in the morning then dieing to nothing by mid 
afternoon.  If anyone is interested i can be tracked on Find Ship app Rebecca 
Leah.  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Dennis, Ed, glad to hear things aren’t worse.  Please do update us on your 
boats when you can.

Meanwhile I have kinfolk in Metarie and Walker.  Haven’t heard from Metarie 
yet, but lots of downed trees in Walker, and no power or water.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 3:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
> working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
> panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak 
> tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in 
> the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 
> 
> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
> rain. 
> 
> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
> hour ago. 
> 
> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard 
> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 
> 
> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear 
> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major 
> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish 
> without power. That will not be an easy fix. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>>  
>> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
>> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
>> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat 
>> is long and look to continue that trend.
>>  
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> C 35 MK I
>>  
>> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>>  
>> Hi All,
>> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge 
>> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of 
>> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots 
>> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have 
>> worked out here :-) :-) 
>> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
>> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
>> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>>  
>> Stay safe out there!!
>>  
>> Bil
>>  
>> Bill Hoyne
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

On Thursday I secured Briar Patch l. Removed main and Genoa and doubled dock 
lines. The new harbor is floating docks with perhaps 18 feet rise. It takes 
some of the anxiety out of hurricanes.

I left Friday for my son’s home in Greenville SC. I am old enough that  I never 
liked Ida from the time it was a tropical wave in the Caribbean. I beat the 
rush driving out Friday.

Have seen a picture of the harbor. Just a few blown out jibs. Couldn’t see 
Briar Patch but I am expecting to find her as I left her. Power outage is 
another question.

Ed Levert
Briar Patch C 34
New Orleans

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 6:28 PM, LKL via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dennisfor checking in and letting us know you and the Admiral are 
> ok and safeand wishing the same for others in your area and hoping you 
> find Touché well.
> 
> Lloyd Lippe 
> Finesse
> LF 39
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
>> working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
>> panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak 
>> tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in 
>> the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 
>> 
>> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
>> rain. 
>> 
>> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about 
>> an hour ago. 
>> 
>> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard 
>> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 
>> 
>> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear 
>> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major 
>> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish 
>> without power. That will not be an easy fix. 
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touché 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville,LA
>> 
 On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>>>  
>>> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 
>>> 50.
>>> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
>>> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat 
>>> is long and look to continue that trend.
>>>  
>>> Joe
>>> Coquina
>>> C 35 MK I
>>>  
>>> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List  
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
>>> To: Stus-List 
>>> Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>>>  
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge 
>>> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of 
>>> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots 
>>> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have 
>>> worked out here :-) :-) 
>>> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>>> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
>>> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
>>> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>>>  
>>> Stay safe out there!!
>>>  
>>> Bil
>>>  
>>> Bill Hoyne
>>> Mithrandir
>>> ’74 C MkII
>>> in Victoria,BC
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>>> Stu
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[LKL via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennisfor checking in and letting us know you and the Admiral are ok 
and safeand wishing the same for others in your area and hoping you find 
Touché well.

Lloyd Lippe 
Finesse
LF 39

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
> working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
> panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak 
> tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in 
> the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 
> 
> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
> rain. 
> 
> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
> hour ago. 
> 
> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard 
> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 
> 
> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear 
> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major 
> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish 
> without power. That will not be an easy fix. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>>  
>> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
>> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
>> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat 
>> is long and look to continue that trend.
>>  
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> C 35 MK I
>>  
>> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>>  
>> Hi All,
>> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge 
>> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of 
>> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots 
>> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have 
>> worked out here :-) :-) 
>> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
>> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
>> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>>  
>> Stay safe out there!!
>>  
>> Bil
>>  
>> Bill Hoyne
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

We just had Henri pass nearby last week, but it was nothing like what hit you.  
Here is a photo looking out from the beach near our club into the mooring field 
at the height of the storm (from CNN).  Aries is invisible in the background. 
No damage to report. 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zj7AzdpGiTUWRwe3A 


Glad you are OK and hope Touche is as fortunate as Aries.  
Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Aug 30, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
> working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
> panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak 
> tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in 
> the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 
> 
> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
> rain. 
> 
> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
> hour ago. 
> 
> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard 
> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 
> 
> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear 
> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major 
> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish 
> without power. That will not be an easy fix. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>>  
>> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
>> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
>> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat 
>> is long and look to continue that trend.
>>  
>> Joe 
>> Coquina
>> C 35 MK I
>>  
>> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List > > 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
>> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Stu mailto:s...@snghost.com>>; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
>> mailto:ho...@telus.net>>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>>  
>> Hi All,
>> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge 
>> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of 
>> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots 
>> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have 
>> worked out here :-) :-) 
>> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
>> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
>> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>>  
>> Stay safe out there!!
>>  
>> Bil
>>  
>> Bill Hoyne
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>>   Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>   Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

I am old enough to know I did not like the looks of Ida when it was a
tropical wave in the Caribbean . I secured Briar Patch Thursday removing
both sails and doubled lines. I left town for my son's home in Greenville,
SC. The newly completed yacht harbor has floating docks. They really take
away (some) of the anxiety that hurricanes present. I have seen a picture
of the harbor and there doesn't appear any shredded headsails as last
year's lesser hurricane produced. Could not see Briar Patch but I believe
she will be there when I return after power is returned, who knows when.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:06 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph
> gusts working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a
> couple panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a
> large oak tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of
> branches in the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay.
>
> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very
> little rain.
>
> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about
> an hour ago.
>
> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard
> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina.
>
> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear
> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major
> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish
> without power. That will not be an easy fix.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
>
> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>
>
>
> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in
> 50.
>
> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is
> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat
> is long and look to continue that trend.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge
> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of
> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots
> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have
> worked out here :-) :-)
>
> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>
> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this
> morning. Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of
> them! I wish them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>
>
>
> Stay safe out there!!
>
>
>
> Bil
>
>
>
> *Bill Hoyne*
>
> Mithrandir
>
> ’74 C MkII
>
> in Victoria,BC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Glad you’re OK, hope Touche’ is.

Gary in Maryland

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 5:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

 

The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak tree 
in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in the 
yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 

 

Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
rain. 

 

We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
hour ago. 

 

The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard any 
news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 

 

Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear from 
Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major electrical 
transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish without power. That 
will not be an easy fix. 

 

Dennis C.

Touché 35-1 #83

Mandeville,LA





On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Everyone OK in the Gulf area?

 

BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.

50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is almost 
mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat is long and 
look to continue that trend. 

 

Joe 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Stu mailto:s...@snghost.com> >; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
mailto:ho...@telus.net> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous

 

Hi All,

I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge of 
the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of the 
storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots of big 
breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have worked out 
here :-) :-) 

If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.

The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish them 
all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!

 

Stay safe out there!!

 

Bil

 

Bill Hoyne

Mithrandir

’74 C MkII

in Victoria,BC

 






 

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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Not a spider deterrent, but a mouse deterrent…

A friend (who has a crazy number of outboard motors) and has had huge issues 
with mice eating the wiring when in storage, swears by putting a piece of Irish 
Spring soap in each cowling…. says’s he’s never had an issue since. I’ll try 
that myself this fall!
Dean




> On Aug 30, 2021, at 6:11 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You mentioned that you don’t want to use the spider spray, but this one 
> (Bug-Tek) is less toxic and does not hurt the environment that much. And it 
> is pretty effective. I use it to spray the dock lines - if they cannot get 
> through the lines, they have to swim to the boat or fly (I know some can fly 
> on their webs). So, the numbers are substantially reduced.
>  
> For the mice problem, we use cloves. It does not kill anything, but 
> apparently mice don’t like the smell. An added benefit is that the smell is 
> quite nice for most humans. We buy about 0.5 kg each fall and distribute them 
> around the boat (in small bags). When we had a cottage, we used another 1 kg 
> for the cottage. It either works or it is a great coincidence that since we 
> started using them, the mice went somewhere else.
>  
> Of course, YMMV
>  
> Marek
>  
>  
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:48 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Boric Acid Powder
>  
> Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
> We have gobs of them here on the lakes.
>  
> Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and 
> I see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
> I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this 
> looks like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then 
> . . . I guess back to the drawing board.
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

You mentioned that you don’t want to use the spider spray, but this one 
(Bug-Tek) is less toxic and does not hurt the environment that much. And it is 
pretty effective. I use it to spray the dock lines - if they cannot get through 
the lines, they have to swim to the boat or fly (I know some can fly on their 
webs). So, the numbers are substantially reduced.

For the mice problem, we use cloves. It does not kill anything, but apparently 
mice don’t like the smell. An added benefit is that the smell is quite nice for 
most humans. We buy about 0.5 kg each fall and distribute them around the boat 
(in small bags). When we had a cottage, we used another 1 kg for the cottage. 
It either works or it is a great coincidence that since we started using them, 
the mice went somewhere else.

Of course, YMMV

Marek


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:48 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Boric Acid Powder

Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
We have gobs of them here on the lakes.

Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and I 
see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this looks 
like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then . . . I 
guess back to the drawing board.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak tree 
in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in the 
yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 

Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
rain. 

We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
hour ago. 

The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard any 
news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 

Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear from 
Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major electrical 
transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish without power. That 
will not be an easy fix. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville,LA

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>  
> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat is 
> long and look to continue that trend.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List  
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>  
> Hi All,
> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge of 
> the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of the 
> storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots of 
> big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have worked 
> out here :-) :-) 
> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>  
> Stay safe out there!!
>  
> Bil
>  
> Bill Hoyne
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C MkII
> in Victoria,BC
>  
> 
> 
>  
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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[George Cone via CnC-List]

To update you on the dryer sheets, around here people use them to stop mice 
moving in to their boats and all, well I was just in working on a snowmobile 
groomer and it was full of dryer sheets, and as I lifted the console to check 
on some wiring there was a family of 6 mice nestled in the dryer sheets! So 
better find something else to use.
George Cone
Killington, vermont

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 4:12 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

Thank you, I will also try the peppermint oil.
Practical Sailor also suggested Rosemary oil, mixed with vinegar, and squirt it 
on the dock lines, They said it won’t kill the spiders, but they don’t like it 
and won’t walk over it.  But I couldn’t find any at Walmart.

And yes, spiders kill bugs, and so do Purple Martins, and I am happy to have 
them both around doing what they do. Just so long as they don’t live and shit 
on my boat. Like bats, they do their job, then go back to their caves and 
Belfries.

I forgot about dryer sheets, I used to use those below, now I can’t remember if 
it was for the smell or spiders . . .

And Joe, nothing brings me more joy than throwing a spider in the water, and 
watching a deserving fish gobble him up!


Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA



From: David Swensen [mailto:ka123dswense...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 12:20 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boric Acid Powder

I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother is in 
Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses peppermint oil, and it 
seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton balls around the compalionway, 
hatches, and portholes, and I believe docklines.

David Swensen
Freya
35 MKIII
Beverly, MA

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
We have gobs of them here on the lakes.

Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and I 
see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this looks 
like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then . . . I 
guess back to the drawing board.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA


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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Thank you, I will also try the peppermint oil.

Practical Sailor also suggested Rosemary oil, mixed with vinegar, and squirt it 
on the dock lines, They said it won’t kill the spiders, but they don’t like it 
and won’t walk over it.  But I couldn’t find any at Walmart. 

 

And yes, spiders kill bugs, and so do Purple Martins, and I am happy to have 
them both around doing what they do. Just so long as they don’t live and shit 
on my boat. Like bats, they do their job, then go back to their caves and 
Belfries. 

 

I forgot about dryer sheets, I used to use those below, now I can’t remember if 
it was for the smell or spiders . . .

 

And Joe, nothing brings me more joy than throwing a spider in the water, and 
watching a deserving fish gobble him up!

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: David Swensen [mailto:ka123dswense...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 12:20 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boric Acid Powder

 

I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother is in 
Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses peppermint oil, and it 
seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton balls around the compalionway, 
hatches, and portholes, and I believe docklines. 

 

David Swensen

Freya

35 MKIII

Beverly, MA

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?

We have gobs of them here on the lakes.

 

Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and I 
see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.

I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this looks 
like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then . . . I 
guess back to the drawing board.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Stus-List Rendezvous cancelled

[Stu via CnC-List]

Sorry folks, but due to an important family situation, I have to cancel 
tomorrow’s Zoom Rendezvous.

Hopefully I’ll be able to get it scheduled for next week.

Stay safe ‘n’ healthy
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

That made me laugh out loud, thanks Joe.



Lisle

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:09 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I once threw the same spider overboard 4 times. He could stay on the
> surface and would make his way back to the dinghy, climb in, and follow the
> painter back aboard. I finally decided he could stay if he was that
> determined to go sailing!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I once threw the same spider overboard 4 times. He could stay on the surface 
and would make his way back to the dinghy, climb in, and follow the painter 
back aboard. I finally decided he could stay if he was that determined to go 
sailing!
Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Stephen Kidd via CnC-List]

Boric acid is very effective, but the spiders have to come into direct
contact with it for it to work. I use it in the garden and it protects
against all but squirrels and neglect. Spiders may be less likely to wander
into it though.

For backpacking, I spray permethrin on shoes/pants to knock out ticks and
mosquitos. It stays around for multiple washings, so might be viable for
docklines. It says it's effective against spiders.

We've been using moth balls on board for the past couple of years. They
keep the mud daubers and spiders in check. The mud daubers eat the spiders,
but can scare people. I prefer them to spiders. There are both still
aboard, but far fewer in number.

The moth ball smell hasn't been a problem, so I haven't tried any of the
alternatives but am curious if others have had success with them.
Peppermint oil sounds nice!

Regards,
Stephen
C 25 Sweet Chariot
Washington DC


On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 12:21 PM David Swensen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother
> is in Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses
> peppermint oil, and it seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton
> balls around the compalionway, hatches, and portholes, and I believe
> docklines.
>
> David Swensen
> Freya
> 35 MKIII
> Beverly, MA
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
>>
>> We have gobs of them here on the lakes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches,
>> and I see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
>>
>> I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this
>> looks like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well
>> then . . . I guess back to the drawing board.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Just remember that the spiders are feeding on the insects.  No spiders equal 
more mosquitoes 烈

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: david coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 12:25:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: david coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

I have been told that boric acid works because  it clings to their legs 
.However spiders  do not clean their legs so they do not ingest it.Might want 
to research and confirm.We use spider spray and dryer sheets .
David

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 12:20 PM David Swensen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother is in 
Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses peppermint oil, and it 
seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton balls around the compalionway, 
hatches, and portholes, and I believe docklines.

David Swensen
Freya
35 MKIII
Beverly, MA

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?

We have gobs of them here on the lakes.



Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and I 
see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.

I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this looks 
like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then . . . I 
guess back to the drawing board.



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA





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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[david coleman via CnC-List]

I have been told that boric acid works because  it clings to their legs
.However spiders  do not clean their legs so they do not ingest it.Might
want to research and confirm.We use spider spray and dryer sheets .
David

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 12:20 PM David Swensen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother
> is in Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses
> peppermint oil, and it seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton
> balls around the compalionway, hatches, and portholes, and I believe
> docklines.
>
> David Swensen
> Freya
> 35 MKIII
> Beverly, MA
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
>>
>> We have gobs of them here on the lakes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches,
>> and I see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
>>
>> I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this
>> looks like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well
>> then . . . I guess back to the drawing board.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Boric Acid Powder

[David Swensen via CnC-List]

I do not know about using Boric Acid with spiders, but I know my brother is
in Dunkirk, NY and they have mucho spiders there. He uses peppermint oil,
and it seems to work pretty well. He dabs soaked cotton balls around the
compalionway, hatches, and portholes, and I believe docklines.

David Swensen
Freya
35 MKIII
Beverly, MA

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:48 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?
>
> We have gobs of them here on the lakes.
>
>
>
> Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches,
> and I see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.
>
> I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this
> looks like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well
> then . . . I guess back to the drawing board.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Boric Acid Powder

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Has anyone ever tried Boric Acid for spiders?

We have gobs of them here on the lakes.

 

Practical Sailor just had some discussion on using this for Cockroaches, and I 
see now, silverfish and water bugs – but I see no mention of spiders.

I am trying to get away from spider spray, for obvious reasons, and this looks 
like a much more friendly alternative, but if it won’t work, well then . . . I 
guess back to the drawing board.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Stus-List IDA - C check in

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Everyone OK in the Gulf area?

BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is almost 
mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat is long and 
look to continue that trend.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous

Hi All,
I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge of 
the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of the 
storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots of big 
breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have worked out 
here :-) :-)
If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish them 
all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!

Stay safe out there!!

Bil

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
’74 C MkII
in Victoria,BC




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Stus-List Re: Another Solar question

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Thanks for the complete and thorough response.

Dave. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Riley Anderson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just to clarify some of the half answers posted previously:
> 
> The wires from the panels to the charge controller must be sized to handle 
> the short circuit current of the entire array (additive if parallel array). 
> Because the maximum current under normal conditions is often ~95% of short 
> circuit current, it is essentially impossible to fuse this side with the 
> industry standard 25% safety factor without having the fuse blow prematurely 
> under normal conditions. 
> 
> The most critical fuse/breaker is on the battery side of the charge 
> controller as the battery bank has a much larger potential to dump high 
> current in a short circuit. This fuse/breaker should be mounted to the charge 
> bus (if available) or as close as possible to the battery.
> 
> However, it is not a bad idea to have a dual pull breaker between panel and 
> charge controller sized at 10-15% > short circuit current. The main purpose 
> of this breaker is to be able to safely disconnect the panels for maintenance 
> or replacement.
> 
> To the original poster:
> How large is your battery bank and how old is it? Lead acid or gel? How large 
> is the solar panel?
> 
> Knowing these paramater can help us narrow down the likely problems. 
> 
> My guess, is that the most likely cause is you had days of cloudy skies after 
> the hurricane and weren't getting any charge. Or your battery bank may be 
> small or aging and unable to accept a trickle charge anymore.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:44 PM Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> My 175w and 50w are fused for the gauge of the cable, directly adjacent to 
>> the controller.  This is per the renogy manual I believe.   12 awg solar 
>> cable would be likely fused at 20a (assumes 105deg rated insulation) which 
>> at our 20vdc would translate to a BIG 400w panel.  (C 65?)   These bigger 
>> panels are typically 48vdc I believe so the current stays modest.   anyway - 
>> no need to fuse at the solar panel. 
>> 
>> The batteries are connected in parallel with copper bus bars and the 
>> positive wires are protected with cube fuses at the battery.  (Both solar 
>> and shore power Chargers and the cables to the battery switch) 
>> 
>> Dave 33-2
>> 
>> Dave 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 29, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I have that end covered. Proper fuses right at the battery terminals. And 
>>> the solar panel is tied to the controller, not the batteries themselves. 
>>> But there is some 25’ of cable from the panel to the controller and I 
>>> always wonder if that part should be protected as well. The solar panel is 
>>> only 50 W, so it cannot produce too much current (and too much heat). But I 
>>> wonder what it the proper way to connect it and protect it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Marek
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 6:26 PM
>>> To: Stus-List 
>>> Cc: Ken Heaton 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Another Solar question
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Really, should there be a short or other electrical failure, the big source 
>>> of current that would heat up and burn up the wires and possibly set the 
>>> boat on fire, would be the boat's house or starting battery bank.  So the 
>>> fuse should be as close as possible to where the wires from the solar 
>>> panels tie into larger wires or bus bars (or the batteries if wired direct 
>>> to the battery bank).  As close as 6 inches if possible.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ken H.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 19:19, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a simple question - the fuse is there to protect the wire; so, the 
>>> fuse should be as close to the solar panel as possible, shouldn't it? Where 
>>> would you put it? Outside, next to the panel? Or inside, as soon as the 
>>> wire goes through the deck?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I bet there are some rules of thumb.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Marek
>>> 
>>> 1994 C270 Legato
>>> 
>>> Ottawa ON
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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Stus-List Re: Another Solar question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Thanks, Riley, for the information. This answered my question.

Thanks

Marek



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Stus-List Re: Another Solar question

[Riley Anderson via CnC-List]

Just to clarify some of the half answers posted previously:

The wires from the panels to the charge controller must be sized to handle
the short circuit current of the entire array (additive if parallel array).
Because the maximum current under normal conditions is often ~95% of short
circuit current, it is essentially impossible to fuse this side with the
industry standard 25% safety factor without having the fuse blow
prematurely under normal conditions.

The most critical fuse/breaker is on the battery side of the charge
controller as the battery bank has a much larger potential to dump high
current in a short circuit. This fuse/breaker should be mounted to the
charge bus (if available) or as close as possible to the battery.

However, it is not a bad idea to have a dual pull breaker between panel and
charge controller sized at 10-15% > short circuit current. The main purpose
of this breaker is to be able to safely disconnect the panels for
maintenance or replacement.

To the original poster:
How large is your battery bank and how old is it? Lead acid or gel? How
large is the solar panel?

Knowing these paramater can help us narrow down the likely problems.

My guess, is that the most likely cause is you had days of cloudy skies
after the hurricane and weren't getting any charge. Or your battery bank
may be small or aging and unable to accept a trickle charge anymore.


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 8:44 PM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> My 175w and 50w are fused for the gauge of the cable, directly adjacent to
> the controller.  This is per the renogy manual I believe.   12 awg solar
> cable would be likely fused at 20a (assumes 105deg rated insulation) which
> at our 20vdc would translate to a BIG 400w panel.  (C 65?)   These bigger
> panels are typically 48vdc I believe so the current stays modest.   anyway
> - no need to fuse at the solar panel.
>
> The batteries are connected in parallel with copper bus bars and the
> positive wires are protected with cube fuses at the battery.  (Both solar
> and shore power Chargers and the cables to the battery switch)
>
> Dave 33-2
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I have that end covered. Proper fuses right at the battery terminals. And
> the solar panel is tied to the controller, not the batteries themselves.
> But there is some 25’ of cable from the panel to the controller and I
> always wonder if that part should be protected as well. The solar panel is
> only 50 W, so it cannot produce too much current (and too much heat). But I
> wonder what it the proper way to connect it and protect it.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 29, 2021 6:26 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Another Solar question
>
>
>
> Really, should there be a short or other electrical failure, the big
> source of current that would heat up and burn up the wires and possibly set
> the boat on fire, would be the boat's house or starting battery bank.  So
> the fuse should be as close as possible to where the wires from the solar
> panels tie into larger wires or bus bars (or the batteries if wired
> direct to the battery bank).  As close as 6 inches if possible.
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 19:19, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have a simple question - the fuse is there to protect the wire; so, the
> fuse should be as close to the solar panel as possible, shouldn't it? Where
> would you put it? Outside, next to the panel? Or inside, as soon as the
> wire goes through the deck?
>
>
>
> I bet there are some rules of thumb.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Marek
>
> 1994 C270 Legato
>
> Ottawa ON
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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> - Stu
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