Stus-List Re: C&C 41 thoughts?

[G Donald Wagner via CnC-List]

Dave
I own a C&C 41 CB hull # 93, Der Baron. Bought her new in 1986, and have 
cruised/raced her ever since. We have enjoyed every minute aboard.Many 
trophies, and many fine memories. My  crew and I , mostly very senior citizens, 
are not able to sail very much, so, I am considering the possibility of putting 
her up for sale.
If you have any specific questions about C&C 41s, I can answer most of them. 
They are great boats, easily sailed, and sail to the PHRF  Rating here on the 
Chesapeake. Feel free to call me, 443-994-5669, and We can talk about C&C 41s. 
I'm a dedicated C&Cer, Having previously owned a C&C 30 for 12 years prior to 
purchasing the 41.
Never had a Keel/ mast step issue on the 41 . I did experience it on the 30.My 
boat is essentially like the standard brochure:    Tall 3 spreader rig    
Yanmar 3GM35 HF    Forward facing Nav Station   aft quarter berth
    Full spinnaker Gear with winch upgrades.
Yes, windows have been a problem, and I have had them replaced. You need to pay 
attention to them.I've up graded the track hardware, traveller hardware, the 
spinnaker pole (carbon fiber), the electronics, etc.The rig has been unstepped, 
inspected, stripped, and repainted with Awl-Grip.The hatches have been 
stripped, and powder coated prior to replacing the acrylic lenses
Don WagnerC&C 41 CB Der Baron West River, MD



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From: Dave via CnC-List 
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Sent: Sun, Sep 19, 2021 8:41 pm
Subject: Stus-List C&C 41 thoughts?



Good evening all.  Am looking to stretch out 
a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in my ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m 
exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or singlehanded daysailing and 
local cruising on the great lakes and possibly Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely 
upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker when I retire in 5 years or so.      
A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can shed 
some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed commentary or 
critique, I would greatly appreciate it.  I cannot find any reference to how 
many 41s were made, and I have not seen any for sale that were made prior to 
’84, though apparently it was first produced in ’81.        They were available 
with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more.  Photos of the earliest 41’s 
especially are very familiar to me, clearly they are big sisters to  the 33-2 
and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware and materials.     I am aware too 
that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” – leaking windows and 
keel sump/mast step failures.   Is the keel sump/mast step problem limited to 
fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with centreboard boats?  Some seem 
to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller (like the 33-2) 
filled with teak and relocated.  Brochures show the traveller at the wheel and 
also on the cabin top.  Was traveller location an option, or have many owners 
relocated this in the interest of comfort?  Thoughts?    Some have 
forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open quarter berth, 
some (seemingly  later models) with the bigger-boat  rear-facing  nav station 
and an “aft cabin”  (more like an enclosed quarter berth)  Some have with an 
opening tailgate through the transom, some not.  The galley cabinetry appears 
to have varied also.  And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of 
criticism of the model, this surprised me.  Much of it is the usual 
opinion-fuelled opinion (repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping 
generalizations regarding IOR boats.  (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind 
in huge seas)  Wikipedia curiously states:    “Designed by Robert Ball at 
the request of C&C’s new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”Many 
commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased, and 
therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded sailing.   
The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a custom racing 
model.    I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own 
opinion much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts.   Many thanks 
in advance!  Dave  -  33-2 (for now).        Sent from Mail for Windows  Thanks 
to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: C&C 41 thoughts?

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

That a great deal that 37/40
There also a 40 at Buffalo sailing school for 40k pretty clean

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 9:02 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The 41 looks nice but I know a 37/40 which is a faster design, for sale in
> Florida.  It's in great shape and a real bargain right now.  The boat has a
> huge aft cabin with a queen sized berth.  You could cruise her to the
> Bahamas from where she is and the sky's the limit after that;  cruise her
> home or truck her home or explore the Carribean for five years, etc.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 09/19/2021 8:41 PM Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
>
> Good evening all.
>
>
>
> Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in
> my ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or
> singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly
> Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker
> when I retire in 5 years or so.
>
>
>
> A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can
> shed some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed
> commentary or critique, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
>
> I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not seen
> any for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first
> produced in ’81.
>
>
>
> They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more.
>
>
>
> Photos of the earliest 41’s especially are very familiar to me, clearly
> they are big sisters to  the 33-2 and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware
> and materials.
>
>
>
> I am aware too that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” –
> leaking windows and keel sump/mast step failures.   Is the keel sump/mast
> step problem limited to fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with
> centreboard boats?
>
>
>
> Some seem to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller
> (like the 33-2) filled with teak and relocated.  Brochures show the
> traveller at the wheel and also on the cabin top.  Was traveller location
> an option, or have many owners relocated this in the interest of comfort?
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Some have forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open
> quarter berth, some (seemingly  later models) with the bigger-boat
>  rear-facing  nav station and an “aft cabin”  (more like an enclosed
> quarter berth)
>
>
>
> Some have with an opening tailgate through the transom, some not.
>
>
>
> The galley cabinetry appears to have varied also.
>
>
>
> And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of criticism of the
> model, this surprised me.  Much of it is the usual opinion-fuelled opinion
> (repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping generalizations
> regarding IOR boats.  (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind in huge
> seas)  Wikipedia curiously states:“Designed by Robert Ball at the
> request of C&C’s new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”
>
> Many commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased,
> and therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded
> sailing.   The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a
> custom racing model.
>
>
>
> I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own
> opinion much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts.   Many
> thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Dave  -  33-2 (for now).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: C&C 41 thoughts?

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Dave, 
I’ve had a 41 for four seasons now. Love this boat!
I moved up from the 34, and the difference is night and day. Roomy, powerful 
and a joy to sail. 
She is robustly built and survived a fall on the hard a few winters ago with 
reparable damage. 
Mine is the fin keeled, 8’ draft model, 3-spreader rig. Trucks upwind with just 
a #3, even better with the main & a manageable 125% Genoa. 
Nothing fancy, but comfy below. Cockpit is high sided and well protected. I can 
single-hand in most conditions. Though to be fair, I don’t push it if it’s 
blowing too hard... 25+kts. 
She’s an ‘84, Hull 053, and I’m finding no signs of mast step issues. Not much 
in the way of leaks and deck is solid. 
Good luck in your search, I have seen a cb model around here, and there are a 
few set up like mine as well.  Great boats!

Best, 
Chuck Borge
C&C41 Tenacious
Somerset, MA
Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 19, 2021, at 8:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Good evening all.
>  
> Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in my 
> ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or 
> singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly 
> Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker 
> when I retire in 5 years or so.
>  
> A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can shed 
> some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed commentary 
> or critique, I would greatly appreciate it.
>  
> I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not seen 
> any for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first 
> produced in ’81.  
>  
> They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more.
>  
> Photos of the earliest 41’s especially are very familiar to me, clearly they 
> are big sisters to  the 33-2 and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware and 
> materials.   
>  
> I am aware too that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” – 
> leaking windows and keel sump/mast step failures.   Is the keel sump/mast 
> step problem limited to fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with 
> centreboard boats?
>  
> Some seem to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller (like 
> the 33-2) filled with teak and relocated.  Brochures show the traveller at 
> the wheel and also on the cabin top.  Was traveller location an option, or 
> have many owners relocated this in the interest of comfort?  Thoughts?  
>  
> Some have forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open 
> quarter berth, some (seemingly  later models) with the bigger-boat  
> rear-facing  nav station and an “aft cabin”  (more like an enclosed quarter 
> berth)
>  
> Some have with an opening tailgate through the transom, some not.
>  
> The galley cabinetry appears to have varied also.
>  
> And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of criticism of the 
> model, this surprised me.  Much of it is the usual opinion-fuelled opinion 
> (repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping generalizations regarding 
> IOR boats.  (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind in huge seas)  
> Wikipedia curiously states:“Designed by Robert Ball at the request of 
> C&C’s new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”
> Many commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased, and 
> therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded sailing.   
> The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a custom racing 
> model.  
>  
> I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own opinion 
> much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts.   Many thanks in 
> advance!
>  
> Dave  -  33-2 (for now).
>  
> 
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 19, 2021, at 8:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Good evening all.
>  
> Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in my 
> ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or 
> singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly 
> Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker 
> when I retire in 5 years or so.
>  
> A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can shed 
> some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed commentary 
> or critique, I would greatly appreciate it.
>  
> I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not seen 
> any for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first 
> produced in ’81.  
>  
> They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 

Stus-List Re: C&C 41 thoughts?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

The 41 looks nice but I know a 37/40 which is a faster design, for sale in 
Florida.  It's in great shape and a real bargain right now.  The boat has a 
huge aft cabin with a queen sized berth.  You could cruise her to the Bahamas 
from where she is and the sky's the limit after that;  cruise her home or truck 
her home or explore the Carribean for five years, etc.

Chuck S

> On 09/19/2021 8:41 PM Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Good evening all.
> 
>  
> 
> Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in 
> my ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or 
> singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly 
> Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker 
> when I retire in 5 years or so.
> 
>  
> 
> A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can 
> shed some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed 
> commentary or critique, I would greatly appreciate it.
> 
>  
> 
> I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not 
> seen any for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first 
> produced in ’81.  
> 
>  
> 
> They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more.
> 
>  
> 
> Photos of the earliest 41’s especially are very familiar to me, clearly 
> they are big sisters to  the 33-2 and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware 
> and materials.  
> 
>  
> 
> I am aware too that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” – 
> leaking windows and keel sump/mast step failures.   Is the keel sump/mast 
> step problem limited to fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with 
> centreboard boats?
> 
>  
> 
> Some seem to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller 
> (like the 33-2) filled with teak and relocated.  Brochures show the traveller 
> at the wheel and also on the cabin top.  Was traveller location an option, or 
> have many owners relocated this in the interest of comfort?  Thoughts? 
> 
>  
> 
> Some have forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open 
> quarter berth, some (seemingly  later models) with the bigger-boat  
> rear-facing  nav station and an “aft cabin”  (more like an enclosed quarter 
> berth)
> 
>  
> 
> Some have with an opening tailgate through the transom, some not.
> 
>  
> 
> The galley cabinetry appears to have varied also.
> 
>  
> 
> And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of criticism of the 
> model, this surprised me.  Much of it is the usual opinion-fuelled opinion 
> (repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping generalizations regarding 
> IOR boats.  (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind in huge seas)  
> Wikipedia curiously states:“Designed by Robert Ball at the request of 
> C&C’s new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”
> 
> Many commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased, 
> and therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded 
> sailing.   The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a 
> custom racing model. 
> 
>  
> 
> I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own 
> opinion much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts.   Many thanks 
> in advance!
> 
>  
> 
> Dave  -  33-2 (for now).
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows
> 
>  
> 
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List C&C 41 thoughts?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Good evening all. Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in my ’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options.  Goal is shorthanded or singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly Bahamas/Caribbean.  I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker when I retire in 5 years or so.     A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can shed some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed commentary or critique, I would greatly appreciate it. I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not seen any for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first produced in ’81.   They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more. Photos of the earliest 41’s especially are very familiar to me, clearly they are big sisters to  the 33-2 and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware and materials.    I am aware too that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” – leaking windows and keel sump/mast step failures.   Is the keel sump/mast step problem limited to fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with centreboard boats? Some seem to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller (like the 33-2) filled with teak and relocated.  Brochures show the traveller at the wheel and also on the cabin top.  Was traveller location an option, or have many owners relocated this in the interest of comfort?  Thoughts?   Some have forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open quarter berth, some (seemingly  later models) with the bigger-boat  rear-facing  nav station and an “aft cabin”  (more like an enclosed quarter berth) Some have with an opening tailgate through the transom, some not. The galley cabinetry appears to have varied also. And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of criticism of the model, this surprised me.  Much of it is the usual opinion-fuelled opinion (repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping generalizations regarding IOR boats.  (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind in huge seas)  Wikipedia curiously states:    “Designed by Robert Ball at the request of C&C’s new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”Many commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased, and therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded sailing.   The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a custom racing model.   I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own opinion much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts.   Many thanks in advance! Dave  -  33-2 (for now).      Sent from Mail for Windows Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu