Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Same here (NSC in Ottawa). If you do it yourself, it cost you nothing; you just 
need a few friends to help. If you hire a local “service provider”, they will 
do it for about $100. I use them for the haul-out and unstepping in the fall, 
or for launching and stepping in the spring and the total cost is around 
$200-$300 (depending on the size of the boat). Our spar crane can handle most 
of the masts, though the Club limits the boat size to 36’ (so the masts are 
also limited in size). I think our spar crane can handle 500 kg max.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 2:53 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We get a group 
of owners together to do our own

If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the 35.  I 
suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part of your mast down 
and put it back up

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax


From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
To: 1 CnC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Jim Watts mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost 
for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 
was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe 
prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs 
folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I 
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting 
to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Where I store my C 34 boat for the winter in Chester, Nova Scotia, they 
charge me $150 for going mast in or out. They also do a fine job of attaching 
all the rig, stays, shrouds and fuller as well as roughly tune it when putting 
it in… not bad for $150 I figure! 

You do have to store with them for the winter to get that price, but their 
storage fees are equally competitive. The savings more than make up for the 7 
or 8 hour sail from Halifax… and its becoming a nice start and end of season 
tradition with my, now grown, kids.

Dean 

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 7:22 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> at the club pulling the mast costs me a 6-pack.  Mast crane available (some 
> times ya gotta wait), bring friends.  But I've never hired a rigger.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
> On 2021-10-01 5:39 p.m., Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
>> No boom truck, there is a mast crane right beside the Travelift. 
>> 
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 11:53, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We get a 
>> group of owners together to do our own
>> 
>>  
>> If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the 35.  I 
>> suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part of your mast 
>> down and put it back up
>> 
>>  
>> Mike Hoyt
>> 
>> Persistence
>> 
>> Halifax
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: Jim Watts via CnC-List > > 
>> Sent: October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
>> To: 1 CnC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Jim Watts mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out
>> 
>>  
>> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a 
>> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought 
>> $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so 
>> maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind 
>> of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is 
>> reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to 
>> $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at 
>> all in the ballpark?
>> 
>>  
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>> 
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

at the club pulling the mast costs me a 6-pack.  Mast crane available 
(some times ya gotta wait), bring friends.  But I've never hired a rigger.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-10-01 5:39 p.m., Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:

No boom truck, there is a mast crane right beside the Travelift.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 11:53, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:


We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We
get a group of owners together to do our own

If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the
35.  I suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part
of your mast down and put it back up

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax

*From:*Jim Watts via CnC-List 
*Sent:* October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
*To:* 1 CnC List 
*Cc:* Jim Watts 
*Subject:* Stus-List Mast in and out

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were
given a cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it
back in. I thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done
this since we had our 29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in
the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs folks are
incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000
and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound
at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

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help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to
the list - use PayPal to send contribution --
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Is it around 250$-300$ to unstep the mast

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 5:35 PM Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend got quoted about that for unstepping, storing for the winter and
> restepping in the spring in Hamilton. He has a 36’  Elite with a deck
> stepped mast. He had to strip the mast once unstepped, and prep it in the
> spring.
>
> Paul
> --
> *From:* Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 1, 2021 1:51:23 PM
>
> *To:* 1 CnC List 
> *Cc:* Jim Watts 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Mast in and out
>
> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a
> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I
> thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our
> 29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to
> what kind of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if
> this is reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then
> ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does
> this sound at all in the ballpark?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

A friend got quoted about that for unstepping, storing for the winter and 
restepping in the spring in Hamilton. He has a 36’  Elite with a deck stepped 
mast. He had to strip the mast once unstepped, and prep it in the spring.

Paul

From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 1:51:23 PM
To: 1 CnC List 
Cc: Jim Watts 
Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost 
for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 
was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe 
prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs 
folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I 
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting 
to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I should clarify my previous note.  We were prepared and ready to go, with 
extra hands, when the crane truck arrived.  There’s a lot of monkeying around 
to do beforehand.  If you’re paying for all the prep work, it’s obviously going 
to cost a lot more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> No boom truck, there is a mast crane right beside the Travelift. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 11:53, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We get a 
>> group of owners together to do our own
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the 35.  I 
>> suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part of your mast 
>> down and put it back up
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mike Hoyt
>> 
>> Persistence
>> 
>> Halifax
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Jim Watts via CnC-List  
>> Sent: October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
>> To: 1 CnC List 
>> Cc: Jim Watts 
>> Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a 
>> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought 
>> $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so 
>> maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind 
>> of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is 
>> reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to 
>> $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at 
>> all in the ballpark?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>> 
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

No boom truck, there is a mast crane right beside the Travelift.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 11:53, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We get a
> group of owners together to do our own
>
>
>
> If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the 35.  I
> suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part of your mast
> down and put it back up
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
> *To:* 1 CnC List 
> *Cc:* Jim Watts 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Mast in and out
>
>
>
> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a
> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I
> thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our
> 29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to
> what kind of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if
> this is reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then
> ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does
> this sound at all in the ballpark?
>
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Matthew via CnC-List]

A fellow C owner and I unstepped our masts two days ago.  Our masts are too 
big for the yard’s manual lift, so we arranged for a crane truck to do the 
heavy lifting.  We were both ready when the truck arrived, and we finished in 
less an hour.  The minimum for the truck is two hours, which cost $286.50 
(roughly $150 each).  Going back up in the spring will be about the same.  If 
you paid $3K for the crane, you overpaid by an order of magnitude.

 

Rod rigging is another story.

 

From: Doug via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 3:03 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

 

Jim,

I went to port Townsend rigging, was quoted $13k for all new standing rigging. 
Ended up with an $18k bill. $3k just for the crane to pull and restep the mast. 

 

 

 

Doug Mountjoy 

sv Rebecca Leah 

C & C Landfall 39

Port Orchard Yacht Club 

Port Orchard, WA

 

 

 Original message 

From: Jim Watts via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 10/1/21 10:52 (GMT-08:00) 

To: 1 CnC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: Jim Watts  

Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out 

 

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost 
for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 
was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe 
prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs 
folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I 
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting 
to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?


 

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

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Stus-List Rigging and Mast in and out

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I am having my rod-rigging replaced currently in NC with the rod provided and 
cut by Rigging Only or something similar in NE.
Total job is estimated at ~$8700 for everything, including shipping the old rod 
to NE and new rod back, installation, tuning, etc. After 26 years of mostly NC 
sound sailing, I thought it was time to bite the bullet and get it done. 
While I don't anticipate any off-shore sailing, racing or cruising I prefer to 
avoid any 'gravity storm' no matter how unlikely for how and where I use the 
boat. 
In my case, replacing the rod with wire would have been more expensive than 
going with rod again because of the complications in the fittings changes since 
she was built in 1994-5.
YMMV,
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/lcb


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 3:23 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

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more expensive than wire.  On a C a number of years ago the turnbuckles 
were replaced on the shrouds on both sides using the existing rod.  The cost 
was over 3K    Someone once told me that the cost of a single rod was about the 
same as the cost of all the wire standing rigging on a boat.  Then someone else 
told me that it was the cost of all the fittings on each end of the shrouds and 
stays that were the big cost.  Bottom line is lets not lose our rig!    MIke    
From: andrew macLean via CnC-List 
Sent: October 1, 2021 4:13 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: andrew macLean 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mast in and out    Doug,     That sounds like a lot! 
What does $18k buy you? Surely more than a mast step and new shrouds? Our 
surveyor advised that our standing rigging was near the end of its service 
life. $18k is more than I have to spend.    Andrew MacLean C 30mk1 Gulf 
Islands, BC 

 
On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:02 pm, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:   
 Jim, I went to port Townsend rigging, was quoted $13k for all new standing 
rigging. Ended up with an $18k bill. $3k just for the crane to pull and restep 
the mast.           Doug Mountjoy  sv Rebecca Leah  C & C Landfall 39 Port 
Orchard Yacht Club  Port Orchard, WA        Original message  
From: Jim Watts via CnC-List  Date: 10/1/21 10:52 
(GMT-08:00)  To: 1 CnC List  Cc: Jim Watts 
 Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out     As part of a 
quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost for the local 
rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 was a little 
steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe prices have gone 
up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs folks are 
incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I also recently 
got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our 
rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?
    Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - 
use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
Stu 
   Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Andrew

Rod rigging is much more expensive than wire.  On a C a number of years 
ago the turnbuckles were replaced on the shrouds on both sides using the 
existing rod.  The cost was over 3K

Someone once told me that the cost of a single rod was about the same as the 
cost of all the wire standing rigging on a boat.  Then someone else told me 
that it was the cost of all the fittings on each end of the shrouds and stays 
that were the big cost.  Bottom line is lets not lose our rig!

MIke

From: andrew macLean via CnC-List 
Sent: October 1, 2021 4:13 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: andrew macLean 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

Doug,

That sounds like a lot! What does $18k buy you? Surely more than a mast step 
and new shrouds? Our surveyor advised that our standing rigging was near the 
end of its service life. $18k is more than I have to spend.

Andrew MacLean
C 30mk1
Gulf Islands, BC


On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:02 pm, Doug via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Jim,
I went to port Townsend rigging, was quoted $13k for all new standing rigging. 
Ended up with an $18k bill. $3k just for the crane to pull and restep the mast.



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club
Port Orchard, WA


 Original message 
From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 10/1/21 10:52 (GMT-08:00)
To: 1 CnC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Jim Watts mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost 
for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 
was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe 
prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs 
folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I 
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting 
to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[andrew macLean via CnC-List]

Doug, 

That sounds like a lot! What does $18k buy you? Surely more than a mast step 
and new shrouds? Our surveyor advised that our standing rigging was near the 
end of its service life. $18k is more than I have to spend.

Andrew MacLean
C 30mk1
Gulf Islands, BC

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:02 pm, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> I went to port Townsend rigging, was quoted $13k for all new standing 
> rigging. Ended up with an $18k bill. $3k just for the crane to pull and 
> restep the mast. 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy 
> sv Rebecca Leah 
> C & C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard Yacht Club 
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/1/21 10:52 (GMT-08:00)
> To: 1 CnC List 
> Cc: Jim Watts 
> Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out
> 
> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a 
> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought 
> $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so 
> maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind 
> of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is 
> reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to 
> $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at 
> all in the ballpark?
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Doug via CnC-List]

Jim,I went to port Townsend rigging, was quoted $13k for all new standing 
rigging. Ended up with an $18k bill. $3k just for the crane to pull and restep 
the mast. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht 
Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/1/21  10:52  (GMT-08:00) To: 1 CnC List 
 Cc: Jim Watts  Subject: 
Stus-List Mast in and out As part of a quote for potentially painting the 
topsides, we were given a cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and 
put it back in. I thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this 
since we had our 29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm 
curious as to what kind of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to 
see if this is reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then 
ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this 
sound at all in the ballpark?Jim WattsParadigm ShiftC 35 Mk IIIVictoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[David Swensen via CnC-List]

I had my rods reheaded and a new forestay and harken furler installed on my
35-3 this summer. The cost was 8800. Mast down and back up was a little
over 1000 total. I am just outside of Boston, where prices are generally on
the high end
David Swensen
Freya
35 MK3
Beverly, MA

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 1:51 PM Jim Watts via CnC-List 
wrote:

> As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a
> cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I
> thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our
> 29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to
> what kind of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if
> this is reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then
> ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does
> this sound at all in the ballpark?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: Mast in and out

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

We have a spar crane at our club that is no charge to members.  We get a group 
of owners together to do our own

If we pay someone it is under $500 each way for  boat such as the 35.  I 
suspect that you may need to hire a boom truck, etc as part of your mast down 
and put it back up

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax


From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
Sent: October 1, 2021 2:51 PM
To: 1 CnC List 
Cc: Jim Watts 
Subject: Stus-List Mast in and out

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a cost 
for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I thought $1500 
was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our 29-2, so maybe 
prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to what kind of costs 
folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if this is reasonable. I 
also recently got a quote for $4500 which then ballooned to $9000 and counting 
to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does this sound at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Mast in and out

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

As part of a quote for potentially painting the topsides, we were given a
cost for the local rigger to take the mast out and put it back in. I
thought $1500 was a little steep, but I haven't done this since we had our
29-2, so maybe prices have gone up by 10X in the interim. I'm curious as to
what kind of costs folks are incurring on their mast work just to see if
this is reasonable. I also recently got a quote for $4500 which then
ballooned to $9000 and counting to replace our rod rigging with wire. Does
this sound at all in the ballpark?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Yes, perfection -- like beauty -- is in the eye of the beholder.

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2021 12:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Perfect boat


My daughter asked me last weekend if I ever thought of getting a bigger boat, 
and after a moment I said no. Open water is fifty miles from me, so I'm a river 
sailor. My 24 is perfect for that. There's no engine issues to deal with. 
There's very little wood to maintain. Everything about the boat is (relatively) 
inexpensive and low maintenance. Slip rental is within my budget. I can 
single-hand. If I want, I could spend an overnight or two. It's good for taking 
my children or grandchildren out for a spin, and it allows me high-quality 
alone time. So, the perfect boat is as much about your use as well as your 
dreams. For a first - and only - boat, I don't think I could have done better.

On 10/1/2021 10:58 AM, T Sutton via CnC-List wrote:
> Interesting choice and glad to hear I’m not the only one.  I had a 25 
> Mk I then a 33 MkII C/B and after a number of weeks spent each summer 
> in the North Channel of Lake Huron and a few passages in less than 
> ideal conditions I started looking for a 37+ which I thought would be 
> the ideal boat but after looking at a few I decided it was just too 
> big for myself and the Admiral especially considering that we have to 
> pull our masts and boats every fall and put them back together in the 
> spring and the option of paying to have it done doesn’t exist unless I 
> change harbours.  So I thought the 34+ would be a better fit and then 
> I came across the Saga 35 which promised the speed of a 37+ in a 
> package more the size of a 34+ and it is made by the some of the same 
> craftsmen as C  Long story short, I now have a Saga 35 but still 
> not perfect and I’m not even sure if it is any better than the 34+ 
> would be. Bottom line, there is no such thing as the perfect boat but 
> there are a number of C’s that come as close as one can hope for 
> especially for the price and considering the newest ones are now a 
> quarter century old and some of the classics more than half a century.  
> The sailing community owes a lot to the two Georges, three if you include Mr. 
> Hinterhoeller.
> Cheers,
> Tom S
> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:19 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* John Conklin
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Perfect boat
> I am liking the SAGA 43
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
>
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Off shore cruising boat kraken amel maybe a C On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 
>> at 9:50 PM Doug via CnC-List  wrote:
>>
>> I am sitting on Rebecca Leah with fellow C owner Jacob Fuerst.
>> We are discussing the perfect boat. What is the perfect cruising
>> boat? What is the perfect weekender? Perfect race boat? If you
>> commissioned a one off boat would it be the perfect boat?
>>
>> Just asking
>>
>> Doug
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club
>> Port Orchard, WA
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to
>> help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to
>> the list - use PayPal to send contribution --
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks - Stu
>>
>> --
>> Joel Delamirande
>> *www.jdroofing.ca
>> > jdroofing.ca%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C34d4c05a83324e22c6ec08d98400fd4d%7C
>> 84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637685962045437513%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=GNn9IGz0oT5uTO2rXyxAJcxodnbu%2FjEBiV0n8to
>> PVX8%3D=0>* Thanks to all of the subscribers that 
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>> Thanks - Stu
>
> --
> -- Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to 
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1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

My daughter asked me last weekend if I ever thought of getting a bigger
boat, and after a moment I said no. Open water is fifty miles from me,
so I'm a river sailor. My 24 is perfect for that. There's no engine
issues to deal with. There's very little wood to maintain. Everything
about the boat is (relatively) inexpensive and low maintenance. Slip
rental is within my budget. I can single-hand. If I want, I could spend
an overnight or two. It's good for taking my children or grandchildren
out for a spin, and it allows me high-quality alone time. So, the
perfect boat is as much about your use as well as your dreams. For a
first - and only - boat, I don't think I could have done better.

On 10/1/2021 10:58 AM, T Sutton via CnC-List wrote:
> Interesting choice and glad to hear I’m not the only one.  I had a 25 Mk
> I then a 33 MkII C/B and after a number of weeks spent each summer in
> the North Channel of Lake Huron and a few passages in less than ideal
> conditions I started looking for a 37+ which I thought would be the
> ideal boat but after looking at a few I decided it was just too big for
> myself and the Admiral especially considering that we have to pull our
> masts and boats every fall and put them back together in the spring and
> the option of paying to have it done doesn’t exist unless I change
> harbours.  So I thought the 34+ would be a better fit and then I came
> across the Saga 35 which promised the speed of a 37+ in a package more
> the size of a 34+ and it is made by the some of the same craftsmen as
> C  Long story short, I now have a Saga 35 but still not perfect and
> I’m not even sure if it is any better than the 34+ would be. Bottom
> line, there is no such thing as the perfect boat but there are a number
> of C’s that come as close as one can hope for especially for the price
> and considering the newest ones are now a quarter century old and some
> of the classics more than half a century.  The sailing community owes a
> lot to the two Georges, three if you include Mr. Hinterhoeller.
> Cheers,
> Tom S
> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:19 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* John Conklin
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Perfect boat
> I am liking the SAGA 43
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
>
>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Off shore cruising boat kraken amel maybe a C
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:50 PM Doug via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I am sitting on Rebecca Leah with fellow C owner Jacob Fuerst.
>> We are discussing the perfect boat. What is the perfect cruising
>> boat? What is the perfect weekender? Perfect race boat? If you
>> commissioned a one off boat would it be the perfect boat?
>>
>> Just asking
>>
>> Doug
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club
>> Port Orchard, WA
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to
>> help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to
>> the list - use PayPal to send contribution --
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks - Stu
>>
>> --
>> Joel Delamirande
>> *www.jdroofing.ca
>> *
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list
>> - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks - Stu

--
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1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The "perfect boat" does not exist.  It could always be a little
bigger/smaller, roomier, have more storage and tankage, be faster and more
stable.
My Pearson 28 was a great starter boat/overnighter.  My C 35/3 was an
awesome boat, but small for offshore.
My Hylas 44 is a great offshore boat with an aft queen that is great
in-port, good sea berths, good tankage, extremely stable in a blow.
The Hylas 49 adds more storage, larger cockpit and a sugar scoop to the
attributes of the 44.  By neither is a light air boat, and neither points
like a C  But as they say, gentlemen don't sail to windward.

Joel


Virus-free.
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 10:59 AM T Sutton via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Interesting choice and glad to hear I’m not the only one.  I had a 25 Mk I
> then a 33 MkII C/B and after a number of weeks spent each summer in the
> North Channel of Lake Huron and a few passages in less than ideal
> conditions I started looking for a 37+ which I thought would be the ideal
> boat but after looking at a few I decided it was just too big for myself
> and the Admiral especially considering that we have to pull our masts and
> boats every fall and put them back together in the spring and the option of
> paying to have it done doesn’t exist unless I change harbours.  So I
> thought the 34+ would be a better fit and then I came across the Saga 35
> which promised the speed of a 37+ in a package more the size of a 34+ and
> it is made by the some of the same craftsmen as C  Long story short, I
> now have a Saga 35 but still not perfect and I’m not even sure if it is any
> better than the 34+ would be.  Bottom line, there is no such thing as the
> perfect boat but there are a number of C’s that come as close as one can
> hope for especially for the price and considering the newest ones are now a
> quarter century old and some of the classics more than half a century.  The
> sailing community owes a lot to the two Georges, three if you include Mr.
> Hinterhoeller.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom S
>
> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:19 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* John Conklin
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Perfect boat
>
> I am liking the SAGA 43
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
>
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Off shore cruising boat kraken amel maybe a C
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:50 PM Doug via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> I am sitting on Rebecca Leah with fellow C owner Jacob Fuerst.  We are
>> discussing the perfect boat. What is the perfect cruising boat? What is the
>> perfect weekender? Perfect race boat? If you commissioned a one off boat
>> would it be the perfect boat?
>>
>> Just asking
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca
> *
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> --
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu



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[T Sutton via CnC-List]

Interesting choice and glad to hear I’m not the only one.  I had a 25 Mk I then 
a 33 MkII C/B and after a number of weeks spent each summer in the North 
Channel of Lake Huron and a few passages in less than ideal conditions I 
started looking for a 37+ which I thought would be the ideal boat but after 
looking at a few I decided it was just too big for myself and the Admiral 
especially considering that we have to pull our masts and boats every fall and 
put them back together in the spring and the option of paying to have it done 
doesn’t exist unless I change harbours.  So I thought the 34+ would be a better 
fit and then I came across the Saga 35 which promised the speed of a 37+ in a 
package more the size of a 34+ and it is made by the some of the same craftsmen 
as C  Long story short, I now have a Saga 35 but still not perfect and I’m 
not even sure if it is any better than the 34+ would be.  Bottom line, there is 
no such thing as the perfect boat but there are a number of C’s that come as 
close as one can hope for especially for the price and considering the newest 
ones are now a quarter century old and some of the classics more than half a 
century.  The sailing community owes a lot to the two Georges, three if you 
include Mr. Hinterhoeller.

Cheers,

Tom S

From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:19 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

I am liking the SAGA 43 


John Conklin  
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat


  On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:


   
  Off shore cruising boat kraken amel maybe a C 

  On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:50 PM Doug via CnC-List  
wrote:

I am sitting on Rebecca Leah with fellow C owner Jacob Fuerst.  We are 
discussing the perfect boat. What is the perfect cruising boat? What is the 
perfect weekender? Perfect race boat? If you commissioned a one off boat would 
it be the perfect boat? 


Just asking


Doug 



Doug Mountjoy  
sv Rebecca Leah 
C & C Landfall 39
Port Orchard Yacht Club 
Port Orchard, WA

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  www.jdroofing.ca

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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The perfect boat is 100 feet long underway and shrinks to 20 feet whenever you 
are paying for a slip or cleaning the bottom!

Joe
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