Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I had the wheel pilot on Alera, my 37+/40.  It may fine for for your intended 
use.  But as far as I know, it is still a belt drive unit.  The primary point 
of failure is the reduction gear.

I went with below deck and regret not doing is years ago.  





Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Oct 22, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks folks for the input on the feasibility of using the wheel pilot with 
> a vessel the size and displacement of Half Magic.  I recently brought a Cape 
> Dory 36 with a wheel pilot from Narragansett Bay to Martha’s Vineyard and 
> while it has limits It worked great on the much heavier boat. Not in 25 kts, 
> but just fine in 15 kts.
> 
> What I want the pilot to do is to keep the boat on a heading when I set or 
> douse sails, or go to pick up a mooring. No passagemaking…
> 
> But please reread my initial question:  Will a new Raymarine EV100 wheel 
> pilot (not the belt kind) fit an Edson pedestal with a model 737 Dual Lever ( 
> unique to C& C) engine control without interfering with the control housing?
> That’s what I’m really needing to know before making a purchase.  If the 
> answer is no, I defer a few more years to buy the significantly more 
> expensive below deck pilot and sail the boat a whole lot less until then.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Doug via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Is like Gorillas and guérillas? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doug Mountjoy 
>> sv Rebecca Leah 
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club 
>> Port Orchard, WA
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
>> Date: 10/22/21 12:13 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Don Kern 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots
>> 
>> Chuck
>> minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
>> Don
>> 
>> On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which is 
>>> being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts on Narra Bay, 
>>> Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound.  Have never engaged it above 20 kts. 
>>> The only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" brackets that 
>>> connect the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and needed to be replaced. 
>>>  I think this was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has become none 
>>> functional and I initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder when at 
>>> anchor/mooring.  Not too smart!!
>>> 
>>> Don Kern
>>> Fireball, C Mk2
>>> Bristol, RI 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:
 I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) 
 on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine 
 control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the 
 control cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have 
 attempted to add this style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine 
 control to see if there were any clearance issues between the autopilot 
 motor/drive unit and the control housing.  This type engine control 
 extends below the top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has 
 up/down levers on port and starboard.
 I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel 
 pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to 
 facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well 
 as picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple 
 coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not 
 having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more 
 often.   A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount 
 the drive unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller 
 arm, and the fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.
  
 Thanks for any advice.
 Chuck Gilchrest
 S/V Half Magic
 1983 Landfall 35
 Padanaram, MA
  
 
 
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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Chuck, Isn’t the EV100 Wheel Pilot a belt driven unit? From what I see on 
YouTube it seems to be . . .

Maybe you can get the dimensions from Raymarine and just measure how it will 
fit – or just get them from an existing installation around you.

I had a 400+ on a 39, and it performed beautifully.  The rudder was perfectly 
balanced, tho, and you could let it steer itself, and spin it with a finger.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 4:59 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

 

Thanks folks for the input on the feasibility of using the wheel pilot with a 
vessel the size and displacement of Half Magic.  I recently brought a Cape Dory 
36 with a wheel pilot from Narragansett Bay to Martha’s Vineyard and while it 
has limits It worked great on the much heavier boat. Not in 25 kts, but just 
fine in 15 kts.

 

What I want the pilot to do is to keep the boat on a heading when I set or 
douse sails, or go to pick up a mooring. No passagemaking…

 

But please reread my initial question:  Will a new Raymarine EV100 wheel pilot 
(not the belt kind) fit an Edson pedestal with a model 737 Dual Lever ( unique 
to C& C) engine control without interfering with the control housing?

That’s what I’m really needing to know before making a purchase.  If the answer 
is no, I defer a few more years to buy the significantly more expensive below 
deck pilot and sail the boat a whole lot less until then.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 22, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:



Is like Gorillas and guérillas? 

 

 

 

Doug Mountjoy 

sv Rebecca Leah 

C & C Landfall 39

Port Orchard Yacht Club 

Port Orchard, WA

 

 

 Original message 

From: Don Kern via CnC-List  

Date: 10/22/21 12:13 (GMT-08:00) 

To: Stus-List  

Cc: Don Kern  

Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots 

 

Chuck
minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
Don

On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:

Chuck

I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which is 
being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts on Narra Bay, 
Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound.  Have never engaged it above 20 kts. The 
only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" brackets that connect the 
unit to the helms spoke have cracked and needed to be replaced.  I think this 
was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has become none functional and I 
initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder when at anchor/mooring.  Not too 
smart!!

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI 



On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:

I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on my 
1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control (the 
type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control cables). I was 
curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to add this style auto 
pilot to their boat using the same engine control to see if there were any 
clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the control 
housing.  This type engine control extends below the top of the pedestal 
(beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.

I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel pilot, 
however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to facilitate 
single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as picking up 
moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple coastal cruising 
but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not having an auto pilot 
means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.   A below deck pilot 
brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive unit and the cost of 
the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the fabrication of a shelf 
to mount the drive unit.

 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 





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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I have a wheel mount Raymarine autopilot on my C 35 MKII a similar
displacement boat. It is not as reliable as you may think. The below deck
model may be better.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:10 PM Novabraid via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100)
> on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine
> control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control
> cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to
> add this style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to
> see if there were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive
> unit and the control housing.  This type engine control extends below the
> top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port
> and starboard.
>
> I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel
> pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to
> facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as
> picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple
> coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not
> having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.
>   A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the
> drive unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm,
> and the fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 Landfall 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Replace it please  with a strong component. The mast step is very important
on a sailboat.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM Todd Williams via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get
> busy before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing
> on our new to us 1980 C which we named Indigo Out We Go.
>
> 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter
> of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my
> beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by
> name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for
> nice blue color)
>
> 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer
> with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called
> an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect
> the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the
> keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause).
> Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a
> replacement part? (See Photos)
>
> PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA
>
> Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a
> lot!
>
> TODD
> Sodus Bay, NY
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Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races with paid crew

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Correct

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:13 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone on the list really sail with paid crew? When I could no longer
> afford the cost of racing between Astoria, Oregon and Victoria, BC (Oregon
> Offshore Race, now called the Pacific Northwest Offshore Race), I asked my
> crew to chip in one hundred dollars each. They felt one hundred wasn't
> enough, and they paid me two hundred each. They also provided all the food
> and paid for their own transportation home after the race. I paid the race
> entry fee and everything else (fuel, moorage, liferaft servicing, etc.)
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:37 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sure plenty of people “forget” to mention the paid crew, but if you
>> want coverage you’ll need to talk to the people that insure all the big
>> yachts with paid crew. There is a lot that goes into proper coverage of
>> crew that would be unfamiliar to companies more used to insuring ski boats
>> on a lake. It is essentially a specialized form of workmen’s comp.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:35 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Pete Shelquist 
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races
>> with paid crew
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m rejuvenating this conversation and highlighting a specific need for a
>> friend of mine. They plan to race the boat internationally from Miami to
>> Nassau.  They also plan to have one or two paid crewmembers on board .
>>
>>
>>
>> Evidently that last sentence is a bit of a stickler for the carriers. I’m
>> curious if anyone on this list has come across this issue, or know someone
>> that has, and found a solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Michael McGrane via CnC-List]

I installed the EV100 on my Landfall 38 which has the same pedestal and it
fits fine without interfering with the throttle or the shift lever.  Like
others have said it works fine in light to moderate wind, but has issues
steering in heavy winds especially with following seas. That's fine with
me, most of my use is for motoring on windless days or holding course to
get the main up shorthanded.

SV Interlude - Manitowoc, WI
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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Thanks folks for the input on the feasibility of using the wheel pilot with a 
vessel the size and displacement of Half Magic.  I recently brought a Cape Dory 
36 with a wheel pilot from Narragansett Bay to Martha’s Vineyard and while it 
has limits It worked great on the much heavier boat. Not in 25 kts, but just 
fine in 15 kts.

What I want the pilot to do is to keep the boat on a heading when I set or 
douse sails, or go to pick up a mooring. No passagemaking…

But please reread my initial question:  Will a new Raymarine EV100 wheel pilot 
(not the belt kind) fit an Edson pedestal with a model 737 Dual Lever ( unique 
to C& C) engine control without interfering with the control housing?
That’s what I’m really needing to know before making a purchase.  If the answer 
is no, I defer a few more years to buy the significantly more expensive below 
deck pilot and sail the boat a whole lot less until then.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is like Gorillas and guérillas? 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy 
> sv Rebecca Leah 
> C & C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard Yacht Club 
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
> Date: 10/22/21 12:13 (GMT-08:00)
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Don Kern 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots
> 
> Chuck
> minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
> Don
> 
> On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:
>> Chuck
>> 
>> I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which is 
>> being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts on Narra Bay, 
>> Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound.  Have never engaged it above 20 kts. The 
>> only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" brackets that connect 
>> the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and needed to be replaced.  I think 
>> this was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has become none functional 
>> and I initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder when at anchor/mooring. 
>>  Not too smart!!
>> 
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk2
>> Bristol, RI 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:
>>> I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on 
>>> my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control 
>>> (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control 
>>> cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to 
>>> add this style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to 
>>> see if there were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive 
>>> unit and the control housing.  This type engine control extends below the 
>>> top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port 
>>> and starboard.
>>> I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel 
>>> pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to 
>>> facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as 
>>> picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple 
>>> coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not 
>>> having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often. 
>>>   A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the 
>>> drive unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, 
>>> and the fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>> Chuck Gilchrest
>>> S/V Half Magic
>>> 1983 Landfall 35
>>> Padanaram, MA
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>>> Stu
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

There is this from practical welding- 

 

CASTINGS

The most common casting alloys by Far are the AlSiMg heat-treatable castings 
such as A35G and A319. The correct filler metal for the 3XX casting alloys is 
4043. If you don't know what the casting alloy is, it is logical to assume that 
it is a 3XX alloy. 

Again, this isn't foolproof. I would estimate that 90 percent of the castings 
you see will be 3XX alloys, but 5XX casting alloys are also somewhat common, 
These are non-heat-treatable and should be welded using 5356. Unfortunately,  
there is no easy way to tell a 3XX casting from a 5XX casting.  Well, I don’t 
uppose any of this information is scientific, but hopefully it will allow you 
to make a more informed filler metal choice the next time you are confronted 
with this dilemma..

 

 

 

I have had good luck welding castings on C’s with 5356.  Obviously you will 
have to pull your mast to repair this. Then I would look for softness under it 
t see why it cracked in the first place.  Or you can make up a SS plate and not 
worry about the cracking..

 

 

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Todd Williams via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:39 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Todd Williams
Subject: Stus-List GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step

 

Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get busy 
before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing on our 
new to us 1980 C which we named Indigo Out We Go.

 

1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter of the 
transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my beautiful blue 
gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by name or number at a 
marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for nice blue color)

 

2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer with 
it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called an 
aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect the 
plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the keelbolt 
doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). Should I be 
concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a replacement part? (See 
Photos)

 

PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA

 

Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a lot!

 

TODD

Sodus Bay, NY

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Stus-List Half-Hull Model

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Happy Fall, Listers.

This week I received a half-hull model of Grenadine that I’d ordered from Mas 
Azuma of Zuma Boat, Inc. (https://www.halfhull.net/index.htm 
).

He did really beautiful work, and his price was very fair.  Plus he was very 
professional and easy to work with throughout the entire process.

I’ve posted pictures of Grenadine’s half-hull model at 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ah_YnneloTWL9emJecm9NVcGiKLZL26l?usp=sharing
 
.
  For a sense of scale, the backboard is 30”x12”.

If you’re interested in a half-hull model of your boat, I highly recommend Mas 
Azuma.  The only caveat is you have to be patient; you can’t rush craftsmanship.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Doug via CnC-List]

Is like Gorillas and guérillas? Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 
39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/22/21  12:13  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Don Kern  Subject: Stus-List Re: 
Engine controls and Auto Pilots 
Chuck
minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
Don

On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via
  CnC-List wrote:


  
  Chuck
  
  I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000
  autopilot which is being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up
  to about 20kts on Narra Bay, Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound. 
  Have never engaged it above 20 kts. The only problem I have had is
  the the three plastic "U" brackets that connect the unit to the
  helms spoke have cracked and needed to be replaced.  I think this
  was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has become none
  functional and I initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder
  when at anchor/mooring.  Not too smart!!
  
  Don Kern
  Fireball, C Mk2
  Bristol, RI 
  
  
  On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via
CnC-List wrote:
  
  


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  I’m contemplating adding a new wheel
mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on my 1983 Landfall 35,
equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control (the
type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the
control cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list
may have attempted to add this style auto pilot to their
boat using the same engine control to see if there were any
clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and
the control housing.  This type engine control extends below
the top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has
up/down levers on port and starboard.
  I am aware that I’m at the top end of the
displacement range for a wheel pilot, however my main reason
for wanting a pilot in the first place is to facilitate
single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as
well as picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross
oceans, just simple coastal cruising but since my primary
crew member has moved out West, not having an auto pilot
means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.   A
below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to
mount the drive unit and the cost of the more expensive
pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the fabrication of a shelf
to mount the drive unit.
   
  Thanks for any advice.
  Chuck Gilchrest
  S/V Half Magic
  1983 Landfall 35
  Padanaram, MA
   



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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I have a 33-2 and have had a like/hate relationship with the ev100.   It is 
extremely sensitive to belt tension adjustment and it’s misbehaviours are well 
documented online. A not so well documented hack I learned last summer (as a 
result of yet Another frustrating standoff) was to lubricate inside the small 
idler wheels within the housing. This has provided a likely temporary peace.

When it’s dialed in it works pretty well (except in bigger seas, downwind).  
The recent firmware is much improved vs older versions.  

If I had to do it again I would go belowdecks, no question at all.  The wheel 
pilot does not seem very robust though to be fair nothing has actually broken 
in 5 seasons use.  (14 weeks of weekends annually, in fresh water….).  If I 
were to upgrade I would likely use an octopus drive as it’s reasonable in cost 
and flexible as to location.

Be aware that the base level control unit ecu-100 is not compatible with remote 
actuators, so if you want to leave yourself the upgrade option, purchase the 
next model up.  (Needs a connection for an electrically operated clutch, plus 
adequate current for the drive) 

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on 
> my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control 
> (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control cables). 
> I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to add this 
> style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to see if there 
> were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the 
> control housing.  This type engine control extends below the top of the 
> pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.
> I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel 
> pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to 
> facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as 
> picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple 
> coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not 
> having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.   
> A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive 
> unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the 
> fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.
>  
> Thanks for any advice.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 Landfall 35
> Padanaram, MA
>  
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Chuck
minor typo!  Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29.
Don

On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:

Chuck

I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot 
which is being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts 
on Narra Bay, Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound. Have never engaged 
it above 20 kts. The only problem I have had is the the three plastic 
"U" brackets that connect the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and 
needed to be replaced.  I think this was due to the Edson pedestal's 
brake which has become none functional and I initially used the 
Autohelm to lock the rudder when at anchor/mooring.  Not too smart!!


Don Kern
/Fireball, /C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:


I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine 
EV-100) on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever 
engine control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that 
carry the control cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list 
may have attempted to add this style auto pilot to their boat using 
the same engine control to see if there were any clearance issues 
between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the control housing.  This 
type engine control extends below the top of the pedestal (beneath 
the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.


I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a 
wheel pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first 
place is to facilitate single handing the boat for setting and 
dousing sails as well as picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking 
to cross oceans, just simple coastal cruising but since my primary 
crew member has moved out West, not having an auto pilot means the 
boat will sit on the mooring far more often.   A below deck pilot 
brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive unit and the 
cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the 
fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.


Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA


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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Chuck

I have a C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which 
is being used at its upper limits.  It does Ok up to about 20kts on 
Narra Bay, Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound.  Have never engaged it 
above 29 kts. The only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" 
brackets that connect the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and 
needed to be replaced.  I think this was due to the Edson pedestal's 
brake which has become none functional and I initially used the Autohelm 
to lock the rudder when at anchor/mooring.  Not too smart!!


Don Kern
/Fireball, /C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:


I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine 
EV-100) on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever 
engine control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry 
the control cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may 
have attempted to add this style auto pilot to their boat using the 
same engine control to see if there were any clearance issues between 
the autopilot motor/drive unit and the control housing.  This type 
engine control extends below the top of the pedestal (beneath the 
compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.


I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a 
wheel pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first 
place is to facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing 
sails as well as picking up moorings, etc.  I’m not looking to cross 
oceans, just simple coastal cruising but since my primary crew member 
has moved out West, not having an auto pilot means the boat will sit 
on the mooring far more often.   A below deck pilot brings with it the 
challenge of where to mount the drive unit and the cost of the more 
expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the fabrication of a shelf 
to mount the drive unit.


Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA


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Stus-List Re: Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[J.P. via CnC-List]

All,


Finally something I can comment on --- all of you experts know so much and I
feel like a toddler at the kids table at Thanksgiving when I listen to you
all.

 

My experience with a wheel pilot was the Raymarine one you mention. I put it
on a Rawson 30 cutter rigged with an Edson wheel and pedestal. The Rawson is
a VERY heavy boat for it's size and I felt that I was pushing the limits
with the wheel pilot. In "calm seas" it did GREAT. however anything above
3-5' it wouldn't handle it at all and I had to hand steer. Keep in mind the
Rawson was very heavy and lots of freeboard. and it needed a lot of wind to
really get the rail down. So it was kind of at odds with itself as far as
autopilots go. it needed a lot of wind to get really moving, and then when
it had that, the seas were so "rolly" that the wheel pilot just couldn't
hold the line. I tried all the calibration tricks, and so long as it wasn't
too much above 10-12 knots, it was OK. after that - nope. It integrated well
into all the electronic goodies and had no problems there. (chart plotter,
GPS, Radar (Radar was Furuno, Chart plotter Garmin, GPS Raymarine). 

 

So now that Alethea (C 43) has a shopping list for upgrades - she is
getting a new below decks autopilot - something along the lines of the
EV-400 or something maybe  like a Simrad AP28 . Still researching..

 

Interestingly enough I had a C 34 (Gabriella) that had the wheel taken out
and a tiller fit on.. When I bought her she had a "little" (and cheap)
Simrad tiller pilot and that would hold the C 34 in just about anything .
well - anything reasonable - 20-25 knots and choppy Puget Sound seas. But
"Gabby" was extraordinarily well balanced and she could be hand steered from
the tiller in heavy wind and seas with VERY minimal effort. 

 

JP

Alethea

C 43

 

From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 9:10 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Engine controls and Auto Pilots

 

I'm contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on
my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control
(the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control cables).
I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to add this
style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to see if there
were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the
control housing.  This type engine control extends below the top of the
pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.

I am aware that I'm at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel
pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to
facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as
picking up moorings, etc.  I'm not looking to cross oceans, just simple
coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not
having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.
A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive
unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the
fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.

 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Stus-List Engine controls and Auto Pilots

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

I'm contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on
my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control
(the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control cables).
I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to add this
style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to see if there
were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the
control housing.  This type engine control extends below the top of the
pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.

I am aware that I'm at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel
pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to
facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as
picking up moorings, etc.  I'm not looking to cross oceans, just simple
coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not
having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.
A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive
unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the
fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.

 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Stus-List GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step

[Todd Williams via CnC-List]

Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get busy
before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing on
our new to us 1980 C which we named Indigo Out We Go.

1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter of
the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my beautiful
blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by name or
number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for nice blue
color)

2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer
with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called
an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect
the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the
keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause).
Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a
replacement part? (See Photos)

PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA

Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a
lot!

TODD
Sodus Bay, NY
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Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races with paid crew

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Does anyone on the list really sail with paid crew? When I could no longer
afford the cost of racing between Astoria, Oregon and Victoria, BC (Oregon
Offshore Race, now called the Pacific Northwest Offshore Race), I asked my
crew to chip in one hundred dollars each. They felt one hundred wasn't
enough, and they paid me two hundred each. They also provided all the food
and paid for their own transportation home after the race. I paid the race
entry fee and everything else (fuel, moorage, liferaft servicing, etc.)

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:37 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am sure plenty of people “forget” to mention the paid crew, but if you
> want coverage you’ll need to talk to the people that insure all the big
> yachts with paid crew. There is a lot that goes into proper coverage of
> crew that would be unfamiliar to companies more used to insuring ski boats
> on a lake. It is essentially a specialized form of workmen’s comp.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:35 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Pete Shelquist 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races
> with paid crew
>
>
>
> I’m rejuvenating this conversation and highlighting a specific need for a
> friend of mine. They plan to race the boat internationally from Miami to
> Nassau.  They also plan to have one or two paid crewmembers on board .
>
>
>
> Evidently that last sentence is a bit of a stickler for the carriers. I’m
> curious if anyone on this list has come across this issue, or know someone
> that has, and found a solution.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races with paid crew

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am sure plenty of people “forget” to mention the paid crew, but if you want 
coverage you’ll need to talk to the people that insure all the big yachts with 
paid crew. There is a lot that goes into proper coverage of crew that would be 
unfamiliar to companies more used to insuring ski boats on a lake. It is 
essentially a specialized form of workmen’s comp.


Joe
Coquina

From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:35 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Insurance…add international races with paid 
crew

I’m rejuvenating this conversation and highlighting a specific need for a 
friend of mine. They plan to race the boat internationally from Miami to 
Nassau.  They also plan to have one or two paid crewmembers on board .


Evidently that last sentence is a bit of a stickler for the carriers. I’m 
curious if anyone on this list has come across this issue, or know someone that 
has, and found a solution.

Thank you

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