Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale - Britt Chance

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Shawn,

The windward headsail was poled out, the leeward was not. IIRC the race rules 
did not allow 2 poles except to a short time during a 2 pole gybe.

During deliveries on boats with roller furling and spinnaker gear, down wind in 
heavy conditions (often off Northern California) I have used poled out a #3 
(100%?) and rolled it in or out depending on how much power I needed. Often no 
pole height adjustments were needed.

Racing Calypso short handed in heavy conditions I have used the same technique 
then added a free flying spinnaker staysail to leeward to add power without 
rigging a second headsail.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
wrote:


Great story! The only Chance design I've seen, that I know of, was an off 30' 
boat that appeared briefly at our club, don't recall the name of it, but it had 
several odd things about the design. No idea where it went, haven't seen it 
since.
I like the idea of twin headsails for shorthanded sailing. I assume they were 
poled out, or least one was? Ours seem to do well in good wind, and would do 
better with pole(s) in lighter stuff.

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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale - Britt Chance

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Great story! The only Chance design I've seen, that I know of, was an off
30' boat that appeared briefly at our club, don't recall the name of it,
but it had several odd things about the design. No idea where it went,
haven't seen it since.
I like the idea of twin headsails for shorthanded sailing. I assume they
were poled out, or least one was? Ours seem to do well in good wind, and
would do better with pole(s) in lighter stuff.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:18 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I sailed a Vic-Maui and a Pan Am Clipper Cup in 1982 on a Britt Chance
> designed 54’ Boat named “Glory”. I was one of the foredeck crew and a watch
> captain.
>
> The owner’s design brief may have mentioned the desire for PNW style light
> air performance but; when that boat went faster than 14 knots it became
> unpredictable in which direction the bow would go when the surf ended.
> Ergo: “You take a chance with Chance.”
>
> The 1982 Vic-Maui included some very light air and several days of
> tropical storm reinforced trade winds in the 25 to 35 TWS range.  One dark
> and stormy night, flying the “chicken shute” my watch (3 of us) experienced
> those night time sailing conditions that are like “Mr. Toads wild ride”.
> The instrument delay made them useless so we used the compass to determine
> “home base” as a course that was usually not by the lee and the lighted
> Windex for a general idea of the apparent wind angle.
>
> My standard instructions for the helmsman in such conditions is, if a
> broach/roundup/spin out anticipated, is to rotate towards the pole. A
> controlled spin out towards the pole is often a quick recovery vs a round
> down. On the windiest night over a 4 hour watch we spun out 3 to 4 times.
>
> So, our watch ends and the next watch comes on deck. I drove an extra 10
> minutes to allow the new watch some time to acclimatize and pass on some of
> what we had learned. I handed the wheel over to the resident “rock star”
> sailmaker and moved forward to the center cockpit. My watch decided to stay
> on deck as the conditions were deteriorating and expected the call to douse
> the spinnaker soon. A short time later the “rock star” totally lost the
> plot a drove deep by the lee. The boat rounded down so suddenly the
> helmsman ended up ass over tea kettle to leeward.
>
> The mainsail, in its attempt to gyre broke the preventer which then got
> hung up on a coffee grinder handle pinning the main to windward. The mast
> was slapping the bigger wave tops. As I was closest to the fouled preventer
> I pulled out my rigging knife got real low and cut the taut line. The
> mainsail immediately swung to leeward allowing the boat to pop upright.
> With the boat upright the spinnaker pops full and the boat accelerates
> quickly. Unfortunately the helmsman did not have time to correct his helm
> spinning the boat into an immediate round up thus completing a full
> mid-ocean “banana split.  As the gyrations tossed the crew belowdecks out
> of their bunks the owner/skipper called for the spinnaker douse. We spent
> the next 36 hours under twin headsails.
>
> The 1982 Clipper Cup was also windier than typical which also didn’t favor
> this particular Britt Chance design.  On YouTube there is a film about the
> 1982 Clipper Cup. In the first minute or so “Glory” passes through the
> screen. It’s a white boat with multiple blue stripes. Up on the bow I can
> be seen doing something with the sail.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Port Ludlow/Seattle
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 6:13 PM, David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  Britt Chance was a one horse pony
>
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale - Britt Chance

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I sailed a Vic-Maui and a Pan Am Clipper Cup in 1982 on a Britt Chance designed 
54’ Boat named “Glory”. I was one of the foredeck crew and a watch captain.

The owner’s design brief may have mentioned the desire for PNW style light air 
performance but; when that boat went faster than 14 knots it became 
unpredictable in which direction the bow would go when the surf ended. Ergo: 
“You take a chance with Chance.”

The 1982 Vic-Maui included some very light air and several days of tropical 
storm reinforced trade winds in the 25 to 35 TWS range.  One dark and stormy 
night, flying the “chicken shute” my watch (3 of us) experienced those night 
time sailing conditions that are like “Mr. Toads wild ride”. The instrument 
delay made them useless so we used the compass to determine “home base” as a 
course that was usually not by the lee and the lighted Windex for a general 
idea of the apparent wind angle.

My standard instructions for the helmsman in such conditions is, if a 
broach/roundup/spin out anticipated, is to rotate towards the pole. A 
controlled spin out towards the pole is often a quick recovery vs a round down. 
On the windiest night over a 4 hour watch we spun out 3 to 4 times.

So, our watch ends and the next watch comes on deck. I drove an extra 10 
minutes to allow the new watch some time to acclimatize and pass on some of 
what we had learned. I handed the wheel over to the resident “rock star” 
sailmaker and moved forward to the center cockpit. My watch decided to stay on 
deck as the conditions were deteriorating and expected the call to douse the 
spinnaker soon. A short time later the “rock star” totally lost the plot a 
drove deep by the lee. The boat rounded down so suddenly the helmsman ended up 
ass over tea kettle to leeward.

The mainsail, in its attempt to gyre broke the preventer which then got hung up 
on a coffee grinder handle pinning the main to windward. The mast was slapping 
the bigger wave tops. As I was closest to the fouled preventer I pulled out my 
rigging knife got real low and cut the taut line. The mainsail immediately 
swung to leeward allowing the boat to pop upright. With the boat upright the 
spinnaker pops full and the boat accelerates quickly. Unfortunately the 
helmsman did not have time to correct his helm spinning the boat into an 
immediate round up thus completing a full mid-ocean “banana split.  As the 
gyrations tossed the crew belowdecks out of their bunks the owner/skipper 
called for the spinnaker douse. We spent the next 36 hours under twin headsails.

The 1982 Clipper Cup was also windier than typical which also didn’t favor this 
particular Britt Chance design.  On YouTube there is a film about the 1982 
Clipper Cup. In the first minute or so “Glory” passes through the screen. It’s 
a white boat with multiple blue stripes. Up on the bow I can be seen doing 
something with the sail.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

On Dec 8, 2021, at 6:13 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Britt Chance was a one horse pony

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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Britt Chance was a one horse pony

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From: David Risch 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:12:10 PM
To: Joel Delamirande ; Stus-List 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

It was a piss poor modification that could not outsail an older 40 boat for 
boat with a brand new owner at the home with nary a clue.   Cruise it?   Have a 
party.  Race it?   Good luck.

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From: Joel Delamirande 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:08:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

Why stay away  David Risch

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:08:27 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld

Thanks

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[David Risch via CnC-List]

It was a piss poor modification that could not outsail an older 40 boat for 
boat with a brand new owner at the home with nary a clue.   Cruise it?   Have a 
party.  Race it?   Good luck.

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From: Joel Delamirande 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:08:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

Why stay away  David Risch

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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Android

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:08:27 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld

Thanks

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Why stay away  David Risch

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed
> past it on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:08:27 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale
>
> That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that
> keel. I hope it sails as good as it looks.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave
> Trane, and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it
> stronger and stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all
> bulkheads were tabbed to the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There
> are a set of drawings at the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston,
> just for that boat.
>
> It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance
> Jr., designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why
> there are so many keel bolts.  Some info here:
> http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html
> 
>
> Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just
> now, Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared
> up this evening.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and
> may be interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful
> to him.
>
> He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem
>
> 1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld
> 
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian Matthew
> "Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
> San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:08:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld

Thanks

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that
keel. I hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave
> Trane, and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it
> stronger and stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all
> bulkheads were tabbed to the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There
> are a set of drawings at the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston,
> just for that boat.
>
> It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance
> Jr., designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why
> there are so many keel bolts.  Some info here:
> http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html
>
> Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just
> now, Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared
> up this evening.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and
>> may be interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful
>> to him.
>>
>> He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem
>>
>> 1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld
>> 
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ian Matthew
>> "Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
>> San Francisco Bay
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The keel on it now is the keel that has been on it for at least the last 10
or 15 years.  I have photos of it from when it was for sale in Hamilton
Ontario about that long ago and it had the keel that is on it now.

Ken H.

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 at 16:27, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And the keel on it don’t look like the keel in the drawring above it.
>
> It looks eerily similar to the keel of a Beneteau 40 First.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Heaton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2021 2:02 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale
>
>
>
> That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave
> Trane, and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it
> stronger and stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all
> bulkheads were tabbed to the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There
> are a set of drawings at the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston,
> just for that boat.
>
>
>
> It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance
> Jr., designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why
> there are so many keel bolts.  Some info here:
> http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html
>
>
>
> Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just
> now, Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared
> up this evening.
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and
> may be interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful
> to him.
>
>
>
> He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem
>
>
>
> 1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld
> 
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ian Matthew
>
> "Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
>
> San Francisco Bay
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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>
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

And the keel on it don’t look like the keel in the drawring above it.

It looks eerily similar to the keel of a Beneteau 40 First.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 2:02 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

 

That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

 

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

 

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

 

Ken H.

 

 

 

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List  
wrote:

A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

 

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

 

1989 C  &C 40R 
Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld

 

Thanks

 

Ian Matthew

"Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1

San Francisco Bay

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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

That is a very unique C&C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave
Trane, and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it
stronger and stiffer than the usual C&C 37R.  As an example, all
bulkheads were tabbed to the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There
are a set of drawings at the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston,
just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance
Jr., designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why
there are so many keel bolts.  Some info here:
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now,
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up
this evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and
> may be interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful
> to him.
>
> He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem
>
> 1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld
> 
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian Matthew
> "Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
> San Francisco Bay
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40R for sale

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Nice boat I really missed a great deal for the same boat

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 11:28 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> U.  I guess I do should have reviewed the listing before going off
> like that.  She looks in good shape.  The missing aft staterooms is sad.
> And the 8’ draft might be a problem in some locations.  But she looks
> solid, though raced hard, I suspect.
>
> If he they up to check it out, this 37+/40XL in Seattle might be worth a
> look too. https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1993-c$c-37-40-xl-7954902/
> 
>
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Tom Buscaglia  wrote:
>
> If he wants it for racing, great.  But there was one at the BC Rendezvous
> a few years ago and it was  spartan, as one would expect from a single
> purpose race boat.  It did not even have deck cleats for dock lines.
>
> So, unless they want it just to race or they intend to fully build out the
> interior, it is probably a bad idea.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Ian Matthew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> A friend of mine who sails with me on my C&C 29-1 has seen this boat and
> may be interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful
> to him.
>
> He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem
>
> 1989 C&C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld
> 
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian Matthew
> "Siento el Viento"  C&C 29-1
> San Francisco Bay
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
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> - Stu

-- 
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