Stus-List Re: Jam Cleat

[Frank Hrycin via CnC-List]

Look on EBay there are a couple of aluminum jam cleats listed

> On Mar 16, 2023, at 17:25, Jonathan Tebbens via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.nandjmarine.com/store/product-detail/plastic-jam-cleat-6
> http://www.hollandmarine.com/hmp-flipbook-2022/flipbook/index.html?page=204
> 
> Like these? My originals are alum., not plastic. Have never turned up one of 
> those.
> 
> Jon Tebbens
> '78 Mega 30
> Katherine
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:20 PM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
>> 80’s vintage C&C 37. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

No, Grenadine’s sheaves are definitely much thinner and larger diameter, and 
aluminum.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Mar 16, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
> They look like this?
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_sb5TfIENvsTzNCZWtUQ2JQeVE/view?usp=share_link&resourcekey=0-Em5B_AxQTt0SXnJYhnRneA
>  
> 
> 
> I had these on my desk for years along with a mast base exit fitting.  I've 
> looked everywhere and can't find now them to measure for you.
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:45 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hello Listers,
> 
> Does anyone happen to know the size (inner diameter, outer diameter, and 
> thickness) of the original mast sheaves on a 30 MK I?  I have hull #79, 1972. 
>  There are three at the masthead (two headsail, one mainsail), and three at 
> the base.  Does anyone know whether the masthead and mast base sheaves are 
> the same size?
> 
> The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m replacing my 
> original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus, and will replace the sheaves 
> to match.  I’m preparing to order replacements from Garhauer and need to know 
> the size.  https://www.garhauermarine.com/shop/?_categories=mast-sheaves 
> .
> 
> Right now I don’t have access to the masthead, but I can remove one of the 
> mast base sheaves to measure it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
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> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Roy.  Grenadine has always been a freshwater boat, so corrosion is not 
an issue.

The main halyard masthead sheave is a bit buggered on one of its rims from the 
halyard jumping the sheave and being pried back out.  I don’t know if it’s a 
chafing risk for a new all-rope halyard, but it’s not that big of a deal and 
not that much cost to replace the sheaves.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 9:06 PM, Leeward Rail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> "The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m replacing my 
> original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus," 
> 
> 
> Randy, 
> 
> The original masthead sheaves  on my 78 30 mk1, handle both wire AND rope. 
> 
> Same with the other C&Cs of the same age in our marina who switched to rope 
> halyards over the years. 
> 
> The mast head sheaves have a dual groove design. The wire sits in a narrow 
> slot at the bottom and the rope sits on top of that. 
> 
> The sheaves on the bottom are rope since the wire normally never reaches 
> them. 
> 
> Unless the sheaves are in bad shape you likely don't need to replace them. 
> Just attach the new rope to the old halyards and pull them through. 
> 
> All the boats around have spent their lives in fresh water so the sheaves 
> were in good shape. Depending on your boat I would inspect them. 
> 
> Roy 
> 78 C&C 30 Mark 1 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Jam Cleat

[Jonathan Tebbens via CnC-List]

https://www.nandjmarine.com/store/product-detail/plastic-jam-cleat-6
http://www.hollandmarine.com/hmp-flipbook-2022/flipbook/index.html?page=204

Like these? My originals are alum., not plastic. Have never turned up one
of those.

Jon Tebbens
'78 Mega 30
Katherine

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:20 PM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on
> our 80’s vintage C&C 37.
>
>
>
> Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: General guidance for parting out lots of stuff:

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

So, Group…I’ve already replied to Pete’s request for help. But that made me 
think about my own situation………I own a 1977 C&C MKIIC…….I have continually 
upgraded it and for the past 10 years, we’ve been racing it with a crew that 
I’ve been with for over 30 years.  Yes, we’re all getting older, but in the 
process, I’ve removed a bunch of gear.  Things like all of the original 
winches, the baby stay and gear, a couple of sets of Garhauer genoa cars, and 
lots of hardware like 2 brand new Garhauer turning blocks from a C&C 115? 

What does the group suggest for a way to list this stuff?  I’d like to keep it 
inside the C&C list, and while I’m in Sarasota until late May, I could be 
assembling the list by then.  Obviously, some stuff is going to be free……like 
the winches if you pay to ship them, and lots of smaller hardware just needs to 
go to a good home (boat).  

 

Ron Casciato

IMPROMPTU

C&C 38MKIIC…’77

Hull # 125.

 

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:20 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Jam Cleat

 

I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
80’s vintage C&C 37.  

 

Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.

 

Thanks,

Pete

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Stus-List Re: Jam Cleat

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Pete, good to hear from you ……….do you have a picture?  I have the 38MKII and 
actually, I have lots of spares and stuff….even winches.  I’m not close to the 
boat at this point, but if I had a picture, I could tell you if I have it.  
Best,  Ron CAsciato

 

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:20 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Jam Cleat

 

I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
80’s vintage C&C 37.  

 

Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.

 

Thanks,

Pete

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Stus-List Re: Jam Cleat

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

That’s it.  Thanks.

 

 

From: Ken Heaton  
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Jam Cleat

 

Are you looking for thr jam cleats listed on this website?

 

http://www.hollandmarine.com/CCfolder/CC001.html

 

Ken H.

 

 

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:20, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
80’s vintage C&C 37.  

 

Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.

 

Thanks,

Pete

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Stus-List Re: Jam Cleat

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Are you looking for thr jam cleats listed on this website?

http://www.hollandmarine.com/CCfolder/CC001.html

Ken H.


On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:20, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on
> our 80’s vintage C&C 37.
>
>
>
> Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Stu
>
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Stus-List Jam Cleat

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
80’s vintage C&C 37.  

 

Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.

 

Thanks,

Pete

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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

They look way to wide for the masthead sheaves on a C&C 30.
The important measurements are:
  - Size of axle hole
  - Overall diameter of the sheave
  - overall width of the sheave
Extra measurements:
  - Width of the rope groove (ie what size rope will it hold
  - Width of wire groove

See:
https://www.zephyrwerks.com/sheave-sizing

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-03-16 11:58, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Randy,

They look like this?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_sb5TfIENvsTzNCZWtUQ2JQeVE/view?usp=share_link&resourcekey=0-Em5B_AxQTt0SXnJYhnRneA 



I had these on my desk for years along with a mast base exit fitting.  
I've looked everywhere and can't find now them to measure for you.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:45 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hello Listers,

Does anyone happen to know the size (inner diameter, outer
diameter, and thickness) of the original mast sheaves on a 30 MK
I?  I have hull #79, 1972.  There are three at the masthead (two
headsail, one mainsail), and three at the base.  Does anyone know
whether the masthead and mast base sheaves are the same size?

The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m
replacing my original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus, and
will replace the sheaves to match.  I’m preparing to order
replacements from Garhauer and need to know the size.
https://www.garhauermarine.com/shop/?_categories=mast-sheaves.

Right now I don’t have access to the masthead, but I can remove
one of the mast base sheaves to measure it.

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C&C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Randy,

They look like this?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_sb5TfIENvsTzNCZWtUQ2JQeVE/view?usp=share_link&resourcekey=0-Em5B_AxQTt0SXnJYhnRneA

I had these on my desk for years along with a mast base exit fitting.  I've
looked everywhere and can't find now them to measure for you.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:45 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello Listers,
>
> Does anyone happen to know the size (inner diameter, outer diameter, and
> thickness) of the original mast sheaves on a 30 MK I?  I have hull #79,
> 1972.  There are three at the masthead (two headsail, one mainsail), and
> three at the base.  Does anyone know whether the masthead and mast base
> sheaves are the same size?
>
> The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m replacing
> my original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus, and will replace the
> sheaves to match.  I’m preparing to order replacements from Garhauer and
> need to know the size.
> https://www.garhauermarine.com/shop/?_categories=mast-sheaves.
>
> Right now I don’t have access to the masthead, but I can remove one of the
> mast base sheaves to measure it.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Leeward Rail via CnC-List]

Randy,.

Forgot to mention.  The original C&C masthead sheaves are aluminum with bronze 
bushings.   Basically bulletproof and superior to modern plastic ones.

They likely just need cleaning and  lubrication.

That said, some people have concerns that the dual groove design causing 
premature wear on rope.    Best solution to that IMO is to take them to a 
machine shop and have them re cut for rope only.   Cheaper than buying new 
ones, and you end up with a better quality result.

Cheers,
Roy

Mar 15, 2023 2:46:00 p.m. Randy Stafford via CnC-List :

> Hello Listers,
> 
> Does anyone happen to know the size (inner diameter, outer diameter, and 
> thickness) of the original mast sheaves on a 30 MK I?  I have hull #79, 1972. 
>  There are three at the masthead (two headsail, one mainsail), and three at 
> the base.  Does anyone know whether the masthead and mast base sheaves are 
> the same size?
> 
> The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m replacing my 
> original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus, and will replace the sheaves 
> to match.  I’m preparing to order replacements from Garhauer and need to know 
> the size.  https://www.garhauermarine.com/shop/?_categories=mast-sheaves.
> 
> Right now I don’t have access to the masthead, but I can remove one of the 
> mast base sheaves to measure it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
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