Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and grease 
the rudder bearings, next time.

Chuck S

> On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection, 
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a 
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by 
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a 
> foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering 
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit 
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole for 
> rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole edges. 
>  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting hole 
> allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the fitting 
> and insert a new bushing.
> 
> 
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup. 
>  Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal 
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I 
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
> 
> 
> Best of luck
> 
> 
> John Read
> 
> 1982 C 34
> 
> 
> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below 
> the cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that 
> need replacement?
> 
> 
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> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> On Persistence websitehttp://www.hoytsailing.com/ at the bottom of the 
> page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we undertook 
> two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.
> 
> 
> At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch 
> of cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was 
> in fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until 
> we cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are 
> enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!
> 
> 
> Mike Hoyt
> 
> Persistence
> 
> Halifax, NShttp://www.hoytsailing.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: John Read via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under 
> tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  
> Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop 
> inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble 
> > while under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the 
> > remedy.  I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
> > 
> > 
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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 Dennis, thanks; we are blessed in that the repair shop here does have a such a 
person; would you recommend that the hull should be repainted with Awlcraft 
over the existing Awlgrip?
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Thu, Apr 20, 2023 1:10 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

Richard,
Here's a good site that explains the differences:  
https://www.bottompaintstore.com/blog/topside-paint-how-to/awlgrip-vs-awlcraft-2000-differences/
IMHO, repairing Awlgrip requires a painter that really knows how to blend, 
feather and buff.--
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[John Read via CnC-List]

I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a
foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
fitting and insert a new bushing.

 

On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there

 

Best of luck

 

John Read

1982 C 34

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

 

Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that
need replacement? 

 

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble 

 

On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com   at
the bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project
that we undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be
similar.

 

At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are
enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com  

 

From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

 

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.
Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop
inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read 

 

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan
to haul out in June to inspect.

 

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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Drop the rudder and inspect bearing surfaces.

Sure you tell the yard when you haul out that you want to drop the rudder
because often times they won't give you enough space to be able to get the
neck out of the boat and you don't want to have to pay to have them lift
you again to drop the rudder

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 10:23 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.
> I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.



At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com



From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble



Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read



On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.



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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.

At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.

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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[John Read via CnC-List]

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82
34.  Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine
shop inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.
> I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
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Stus-List Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.

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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Richard,

Here's a good site that explains the differences:

https://www.bottompaintstore.com/blog/topside-paint-how-to/awlgrip-vs-awlcraft-2000-differences/

IMHO, repairing Awlgrip requires a painter that really knows how to blend,
feather and buff.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:38 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis and David; are Awlcraft and Awlgrip the same or similar products? I
> am in the process of having repairs done to my hull; it was painted with
> Awlgrip in 2013; any suggestions? Thanks
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: AC/DC Distribution panel upgrade

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks for the input everyone, appreciated like always. Lots of good info
on marinehowto.com, thanks Chuck.

Kevin
1985 Landfall 43
Raven
Midland ON



On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 12:08 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
wrote:

> Thought your email would draw a larger response.  Maybe people missed it?
>
> Anyway, I recently installed shorepower to my boat, power inlet, 120v
> breaker panel w meters and nine receptacles and found excellent advice on
> terminals and tools and tips from https://marinehowto.com/
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis
>
>
> On 04/18/2023 1:14 PM Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
> I'm getting ready to replace the electrical panel on our boat with a Blue
> Seas 8408. Has anyone done this? I would love to see some installation
> pictures and see how/what others have done and used for bus bars and
> terminal blocks?
> Any other insight is more than welcome!
> If you are brave, this is a link to a few pictures I took on the weekend.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/4y45cij1k400lslqcztab/h?dl=0=djc1c03vkuwhc4sl8dwrorn9v
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
> 1985 Landfall 43
> Raven
> Midland ON
>
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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis and David; are Awlcraft and Awlgrip the same or similar products? I am 
in the process of having repairs done to my hull; it was painted with Awlgrip 
in 2013; any suggestions? Thanks 
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
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From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
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Cc: David Knecht 
Sent: Wed, Apr 19, 2023 11:19 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

I am in the same position, but I can’t blame it on a hurricane (my stupidity 
instead).  Had the topsides painted in 2021 with Awlcraft 2000 and it looked 
great.  Last mark of the last race of the season in 2021 I was single-handing 
and put the boat on autopilot to take the whisker pole down at the leeward 
mark.  Took longer than it should have and I was not paying attention and 
looked up to see the boat headed directly at the government nun buoy I was 
supposed to round.  Didn’t get back to the helm in time and hit it dead on 
(taking a chunk out of the bow under the roller) and then scraped along the 
starboard side, trashing my new paint job.  I installed an autopilot remote 
control (Madman Marine) last week to (hopefully) keep that from ever happening 
again.  Dave

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