Stus-List Re: Outhaul

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Our C 34R came with a short wire outhaul that we added a 4:1 purchase that 
lives inside the boom.  A 3/8" line exits the goosneck and is run back to a 
clutch next to the companionway.   You can tension the outhaul by hand instead 
of using a winch, this way.  Harken shows a diagram of this setup on their 
website.
 
Chuck S
 

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Stus-List Re: Outhaul

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I replaced mine with line as well but, beware.  There are sheaves on the mast 
and boom that were designed for wire, or wire and rope, or rope alone.  You 
would be well served to know which you have before changing.  I bought all new 
sheaves from zephyrworks to properly accommodate my selection of line.

That being said, the distance between the clew car and the boom end sheave 
doesn't leave much space to terminate your line.  I have not been unsuccessful 
using an eye splice but it did fatten and stiffen that end of the line.  A 
double overhand might be better.  Amsteel also comes to mind since an eye 
splice wouldn't tend to stiffen the line as much.  Of course with the strength 
of amsteel you could size the line down to account for the added fatness of the 
buried tail.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

May 22, 2024 21:59:14 Rob Hamlin via CnC-List :

> Hi
> Anyone replaced their outhaul? Boat is a C 37+, with rope to wire that 
> attaches to the main.
> 
> Looking at the manual it’s says 3/8 30ft, but nothing about wire.
> 
> Thanks
> Rob
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Stus-List Re: Outhaul

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Rob,

Replaced mine will all rope. Never had a problem. 

All the best, 

Edd

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Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
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On May 22, 2024, at 9:59 PM, Rob Hamlin via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi
Anyone replaced their outhaul? Boat is a C 37+, with rope to wire that 
attaches to the main.

Looking at the manual it’s says 3/8 30ft, but nothing about wire.

Thanks
Rob
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Stus-List Outhaul

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Hi
Anyone replaced their outhaul? Boat is a C 37+, with rope to wire that 
attaches to the main.

Looking at the manual it’s says 3/8 30ft, but nothing about wire.

Thanks
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Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

This system is in place for airplanes. Be careful what you wish for, every 
airplane owner dreads getting an AD  that requires some ungodly expensive 
repair at your expense or the airplane can sit as an expensive lawn ornament!

OTOH we get to find this stuff out the hard way, that is not ideal either.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 11:15 AM
To: 'Martin DeYoung' ; 'Stus-List' 
; j...@dellabarba.com
Cc: Matthew Wolford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

 

Thanks, Martin – very Interesting.  Do you have the “I-beam” fix drawing in pdf 
format?  If so, may I have a copy?

 

It has always been troubling to me that, unlike car manufacturers, boat 
manufacturers do not alert boat owners about potentially dangerous issues upon 
discovery.  Case in point: my Dad’s Cal 33 suffered a crack in the aft end of 
the keel (where it meets the hull) while being lifted from the cradle in the 
early 80s.  That boat has a proper bilge, and a crack at that location allowed 
a significant amount of water in without being noticed.  I crossed Lake Erie 
with some college buddies shortly after the boat launched when the water temp 
was about 55 degrees.  We were in the middle of the Lake when we discovered 
water above the floorboards.  Had we gone down, we would have perished in about 
a half hour (no boats around; no lifeboat on board).  We were able to catch up 
to the water infiltration and stay ahead of it using every pump on board until 
we reached port.  When we got the boat back to home port and hauled the boat 
for repair, we learned that Bill Lapworth (the designer) already had a plan for 
the fix.  Evidently, our Cal 33 was not the first to experience this problem.  
In my view, every Cal 33 owner should have been alerted to the issue once it 
became known.

 

Matt  

 

From: Martin DeYoung mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:48 PM
To: Matthew Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net> >; 'Stus-List' 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >; j...@dellabarba.com 
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

 

Matt,

 

Calypso also had some issues in the mast step area. Back in 1998 when we 
brought her to Seattle we found some failed filler and reinforcement glass just 
forward of the mast step.  We ground out all the old polyester "bog" and 
rebuilt the area with epoxy and glass cloth. We then designed and had 
manufactured a new mast step.

 

Fast forward to around 2015 we purchased all the C&^C 43 "as built" drawings 
available from the C archives at the Maritime Museum.  One of those drawings 
documented how the C/Bruckmann team discovered both the early 61's and 43's 
had a weak point just forward of the mast step.  A fix was designed for the 
61's and 43's built after hull #1 or #2.  The 61 SORCERY was retro fitted with 
an "I" beam that went forward from the mast step about 10'.

 

During Calypso's restoration project we added "I" beams starting on each side 
of the mast step running forward about 5' to reinforce the repairs we did back 
in 98/99.

 

I expect that the C design team, Bruckmann's, and the owners paying the 
bills, on occasion, pushed the design/build envelope in pursuit of that elusive 
extra 1/10 of a knot. I also expect that is why some of the survivors from the 
70's occasionally need some extra repair/restoration.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle

  _  

From: Matthew Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net> >
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:58 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >; 
j...@dellabarba.com   mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >
Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com> >
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior 

 

My 42 Custom is also a Bruckmann “stick built” boat.  In my case, certain 
aspects of the boat were well constructed, others not so much.  For example, 
the recent project I commented on concerns the mast step.  It was constructed 
of aluminum and designed to span three stringers.  Given the apparent load on 
the middle stringer right under the mast, the step should have been constructed 
of stainless to reduce the chance of bending.  It also would have been handy to 
provide access to the two keel bolts underneath.  When we recently removed the 
mast step to gain access to these keel boats – possibly for the first time 
since the boat was built – we discovered the mast step was bent by about 3/8”.  
Fortunately, this did not break the welds.  However, this much compression on 
the middle stringer did break the fiberglass exterior of the stringer directly 
under the mast step, which, in turn, allowed water entry if the bilge filled 
that high (admittedly a rare event).  While affecting repairs, we decided 
against the “best fix” of replacing the mast step and spreading the load as 
originally intended.  Instead, we implemented a “good 

Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk 2 available

[Peter Baxter via CnC-List]

David -

I'm interested ... please email my gmail at peter c baxter (remove the
spaces).

I'll need to sell my recently refurbished C 33 Mk 1 (also with a new
Yanmar 3GM30F).


Peter

On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 6:06 PM David Kelly via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe
> over the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C 35-2,
> hull #207.
>
> I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does
> not fit our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get
> serious, as my relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the
> last month.
>
> David Kelly
> Baraka, C 35-2
> Noroton, CT
>
> On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar,
> and buying all that teak.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior
>
>
>
> My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on
> the topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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> Thanks for your help.
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> Stu
>
>
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Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk 2 available

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

A benefit of the older 35s, as I recall, is that the hull is solid glass.  No 
core to worry about.

 

From: John Read via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:21 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 Mk 2 available

 

David.  My alma mater Tabor Academy lm Marion, MA has a very active sailing 
program and may be interested in your donation.  Worth a try.  Use my name. 
John Read  class 1965

 

On Mon, May 20, 2024, 6:06 PM David Kelly via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe over 
the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C 35-2, hull #207.

 

I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does not fit 
our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get serious, as my 
relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the last month. 

 

David Kelly

Baraka, C 35-2

Noroton, CT





On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar, and 
buying all that teak.

Joe

 

From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Gallagher mailto:njgallag...@optonline.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

 

My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on the 
topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY 

On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

Thanks, Martin – very Interesting.  Do you have the “I-beam” fix drawing in pdf 
format?  If so, may I have a copy?

 

It has always been troubling to me that, unlike car manufacturers, boat 
manufacturers do not alert boat owners about potentially dangerous issues upon 
discovery.  Case in point: my Dad’s Cal 33 suffered a crack in the aft end of 
the keel (where it meets the hull) while being lifted from the cradle in the 
early 80s.  That boat has a proper bilge, and a crack at that location allowed 
a significant amount of water in without being noticed.  I crossed Lake Erie 
with some college buddies shortly after the boat launched when the water temp 
was about 55 degrees.  We were in the middle of the Lake when we discovered 
water above the floorboards.  Had we gone down, we would have perished in about 
a half hour (no boats around; no lifeboat on board).  We were able to catch up 
to the water infiltration and stay ahead of it using every pump on board until 
we reached port.  When we got the boat back to home port and hauled the boat 
for repair, we learned that Bill Lapworth (the designer) already had a plan for 
the fix.  Evidently, our Cal 33 was not the first to experience this problem.  
In my view, every Cal 33 owner should have been alerted to the issue once it 
became known.

 

Matt  

 

From: Martin DeYoung  
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:48 PM
To: Matthew Wolford ; 'Stus-List' ; 
j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior

 

Matt,

 

Calypso also had some issues in the mast step area. Back in 1998 when we 
brought her to Seattle we found some failed filler and reinforcement glass just 
forward of the mast step.  We ground out all the old polyester "bog" and 
rebuilt the area with epoxy and glass cloth. We then designed and had 
manufactured a new mast step.

 

Fast forward to around 2015 we purchased all the C&^C 43 "as built" drawings 
available from the C archives at the Maritime Museum.  One of those drawings 
documented how the C/Bruckmann team discovered both the early 61's and 43's 
had a weak point just forward of the mast step.  A fix was designed for the 
61's and 43's built after hull #1 or #2.  The 61 SORCERY was retro fitted with 
an "I" beam that went forward from the mast step about 10'.

 

During Calypso's restoration project we added "I" beams starting on each side 
of the mast step running forward about 5' to reinforce the repairs we did back 
in 98/99.

 

I expect that the C design team, Bruckmann's, and the owners paying the 
bills, on occasion, pushed the design/build envelope in pursuit of that elusive 
extra 1/10 of a knot. I also expect that is why some of the survivors from the 
70's occasionally need some extra repair/restoration.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle

  _  

From: Matthew Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net> >
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:58 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >; 
j...@dellabarba.com   mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >
Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com> >
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I interior 

 

My 42 Custom is also a Bruckmann “stick built” boat.  In my case, certain 
aspects of the boat were well constructed, others not so much.  For example, 
the recent project I commented on concerns the mast step.  It was constructed 
of aluminum and designed to span three stringers.  Given the apparent load on 
the middle stringer right under the mast, the step should have been constructed 
of stainless to reduce the chance of bending.  It also would have been handy to 
provide access to the two keel bolts underneath.  When we recently removed the 
mast step to gain access to these keel boats – possibly for the first time 
since the boat was built – we discovered the mast step was bent by about 3/8”.  
Fortunately, this did not break the welds.  However, this much compression on 
the middle stringer did break the fiberglass exterior of the stringer directly 
under the mast step, which, in turn, allowed water entry if the bilge filled 
that high (admittedly a rare event).  While affecting repairs, we decided 
against the “best fix” of replacing the mast step and spreading the load as 
originally intended.  Instead, we implemented a “good enough” fix of modifying 
and reinstalling the original mast step and repairing/fortifying the damaged 
middle stringer.  This project and many others revealed that the Bruckmann shop 
did a lot of things “on the fly,” like incorrectly positioning the rudder and 
compensating with two different sized bronze rollers, installing drainage in 
hull compartments that allows standing water, or using wrong size bolts that 
were probably laying around the shop.  It’s been a fun boat, but I’ve done many 
repairs that revealed construction issues.

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 5:18 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >;