Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
I also noticed that the keel on my 30 MKII wiggled alarming during lift out this year. Our club lifts as a group with a crane with very long straps. It was very windy so the straps were vibrating in the breeze (gale?) which transferred to the hull and caused the keel to wiggle. In my case I believe the fibreglass keel stub was flexing, not the joint at the keel bolts. After being alarmed by this on my boat I paid closer attention to the subsequent boats coming out and observed that some of those wiggled too but not to the same degree as mine. I have inspected the structure around the bilge to the extent that it’s visible and don’t see any issues. I’m very interested in hearing opinions from this list about how much keel movement is normal. Julian Norris C 30-2 Halifax, N.S. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Stephen Kidd via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Happy New Year! We're hoping to get some insights on an issue we are having > with our keel. We recently had our 25 MKII hauled for some winter projects > and were surprised to see that the keel "wiggled" when the boat was on the > travel lift, a little bit laterally. > > I've uploaded some photos of the keel and the keel bolts. Here are some > observations: > 1) No signs of weeping from the keel joint and no visible separation when > lifted from the stands. > 2) None of the keel bolts (3 in total) leak. > 3) Crack at the aft end doesn't look typical of the C smile based on > internet searches. > > Should we torque the keel bolts, grind out the crack, fill (G-flex?), fair, > and paint, or is this beyond a "smile" fix? > > Thanks! > Stephen > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Re: Stus-List C mkII holding tank hose routing
Thanks for the insight Dave. You make some good points backed up with experience! My tank already has openings for filling and emptying but I have some say over how I route the waste line so I’ll try to heed your advice. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Dave S wrote: > > When you rout the hose try to minimize low areas between the head and tank > in which black water can sit in the hose. You will discover the precise > volume involved when your joker valve leaks. > Also, if you can choose, have the waste hose enter the tank at the boat’s > centreline rather than at one side or the other. This will prevent a > near-full tank from backfilling the hose when heeled and the inlet is > submerged. > > Windstar plays a cool trick on me when her tank is nearly full and the joker > valve needs replacement- she partially pumps herself out! When heeled, and > the head is on the low side, (same side as the inlet on the tank) the hose > inlet gets submerged, the hose fills, then slowly leaks into the head via the > leaky joker (!) valve. Tack And the head fills a bit further as the now > elevated hose continues to empty itself. Tack again and the hose refills, > repeating the process. The head fills - one hose load at a time with each > tack - and enough if allowed that it too self empties -slopping into the > head compartment.Clever! > > Another thought - the more hose you have, likely the more it will stink over > time. The corrugated pvc type permeates after a few seasons. Have switched > to the trident premium rubber type and so far so good. IMO In a perfect > world the hose would be short, run downhill and enter the tank on the > centreline. > > Dave > Windstar 33-2, > (New joker valve every spring henceforth and likely to build my own > fibreglass holding tank this winter. ) > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Jennifer and Julian Norris >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Kevin, >> >> My boat has/had the same tanks as yours, all in aluminum, and all configured >> as fresh water tanks which are plumbed to a manifold on the port side near >> the pressure pump. The tank under the settee was removed by a previous owner >> - I assume it sprung a leak. I plan to keep the vee berth tank as fresh >> water, find a replacement tank for the settee for additional fresh water, >> and convert the aft tank to a holding tank so that I end up with the same >> configuration that you have. >> >> Currently waste water from the head is routed along the bulkhead behind the >> head and into the wet locker. Instead of going through the bulkhead to the >> cockpit locker as yours does, mine is routed to a through hull under the >> sink. I was trying to decide whether I should go through the bulkhead >> immediately behind the head or keep the original route to the hanging locker >> then go through the bulkhead there to get to the cockpit locker - sounds >> like option number two was the factory routing. If you are able to snap a >> picture of where the waste line goes through the bulkhead in the hanging >> locker on its way to the cockpit locker I would be grateful. I think the >> trick will be to avoid the hot water heater and the fiberglass shelf near >> the hull, and have the pipe come through in a location where it can make the >> necessary bends to reach the top of the tank. Does you waste pipe pass over >> the top of the hot water tank or between it and the hull? >> >> Thanks very much for replying to my post - the help from other C >> owners is much appreciated! >> >> Julian >> >> On 8/19/2020 1:19 PM, Kevin Driscoll wrote: >>> Julian, >>> I have a plastic holding tank in that location with a deck fitting directly >>> above set up from the factory that way I believe. Waste lines lead from the >>> head, through the bottom of the adjacent wet locker, and just under the >>> cockpit locker floor to the top of the holding tank, which is just aft of >>> the 6gal hot water tank. Are you sure the aluminum tank is not a waste >>> tank? My factory water tanks are under the vee berth and another under the >>> starboard settee, both plastic. We are on our boat this weekend, so if you >>> email a reminder I will try to get a photo for you. >>> 30-2 Osprey, Gig Harbor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:06 AM Julian Norris via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>>> I’ve recently purchased a 1989 C which is not plumbed with a holding >>>> ta
Re: Stus-List C mkII holding tank hose routing
Al, Sounds like our starting and ending points will be very similar - I wish I had plastic tanks as you and Kevin do. I'm not looking forward to the day in the future when my aluminum holding tank fails. It's in good condition now, it fits the hull cavity perfectly, and I can't justify the expense and trouble of finding a plastic replacement at this time. Ronco has a good selection of hull shaped tanks but I don't even know where to begin figuring out if one would be a direct replacement for my aft tank. Where did you make the hole in the bulkhead to get into the cabin locker? I hate the idea of drilling a bulkhead at all and really want to figure out the ideal location before I move forward. Thanks for helping me out. Julian On 8/19/2020 6:01 PM, Allan Rheaume via CnC-List wrote: Julian my 30-2 came or originally equipped with overboard discharge and 3 water tanks. I capped the water lines in the tank under the floor in the starboard cockpit locker, my tank is plastic. The original set up has a vented loop under the top of the sink cabinet, I kept the vented loop there and routed the waste hose which was originally to the seacock to the tank aft. I had to make an ABS pipe to reach the bottom of the tank along with a 90 degree elbow and a barbed fitting to receive the hose. I kept the original vent and I pump out from what was once the aft water deck fill. While I was at it I installed a reducer on the 1 1/2" overboard discharge seacock and installed a deck wash pump. Al Rheaume Drumroll 1988 30-2 #90 On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 12:06:44 p.m. EDT, Julian Norris via CnC-List wrote: I’ve recently purchased a 1989 C which is not plumbed with a holding tank. There is an aluminum fresh water tank beneath the starboard aft locker that has an original manufactures label that calls it a waste tank. My guess is that these boats came from the factory configured with this tank plumbed as either a fresh water tank or a holding tank. I’d like to repurpose my tank as a holding tank. Most of the connections seem straightforward but I’m trying to decide on the best routing for the black water pipe between the head and the tank. Does anybody have a C with the aft tank setup from the factory as a holding tank? If so please provide some details about how the hose is routed from the head, through the bulkhead, to the tank. Thanks, Julian Sent from my iPhone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C mkII holding tank hose routing
Kevin, My boat has/had the same tanks as yours, all in aluminum, and all configured as fresh water tanks which are plumbed to a manifold on the port side near the pressure pump. The tank under the settee was removed by a previous owner - I assume it sprung a leak. I plan to keep the vee berth tank as fresh water, find a replacement tank for the settee for additional fresh water, and convert the aft tank to a holding tank so that I end up with the same configuration that you have. Currently waste water from the head is routed along the bulkhead behind the head and into the wet locker. Instead of going through the bulkhead to the cockpit locker as yours does, mine is routed to a through hull under the sink. I was trying to decide whether I should go through the bulkhead immediately behind the head or keep the original route to the hanging locker then go through the bulkhead there to get to the cockpit locker - sounds like option number two was the factory routing. If you are able to snap a picture of where the waste line goes through the bulkhead in the hanging locker on its way to the cockpit locker I would be grateful. I think the trick will be to avoid the hot water heater and the fiberglass shelf near the hull, and have the pipe come through in a location where it can make the necessary bends to reach the top of the tank. Does you waste pipe pass over the top of the hot water tank or between it and the hull? Thanks very much for replying to my post - the help from other C owners is much appreciated! Julian On 8/19/2020 1:19 PM, Kevin Driscoll wrote: Julian, I have a plastic holding tank in that location with a deck fitting directly above set up from the factory that way I believe. Waste lines lead from the head, through the bottom of the adjacent wet locker, and just under the cockpit locker floor to the top of the holding tank, which is just aft of the 6gal hot water tank. Are you sure the aluminum tank is not a waste tank? My factory water tanks are under the vee berth and another under the starboard settee, both plastic. We are on our boat this weekend, so if you email a reminder I will try to get a photo for you. 30-2 Osprey, Gig Harbor On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:06 AM Julian Norris via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I’ve recently purchased a 1989 C which is not plumbed with a holding tank. There is an aluminum fresh water tank beneath the starboard aft locker that has an original manufactures label that calls it a waste tank. My guess is that these boats came from the factory configured with this tank plumbed as either a fresh water tank or a holding tank. I’d like to repurpose my tank as a holding tank. Most of the connections seem straightforward but I’m trying to decide on the best routing for the black water pipe between the head and the tank. Does anybody have a C with the aft tank setup from the factory as a holding tank? If so please provide some details about how the hose is routed from the head, through the bulkhead, to the tank. Thanks, Julian Sent from my iPhone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C mkII holding tank hose routing
I’ve recently purchased a 1989 C which is not plumbed with a holding tank. There is an aluminum fresh water tank beneath the starboard aft locker that has an original manufactures label that calls it a waste tank. My guess is that these boats came from the factory configured with this tank plumbed as either a fresh water tank or a holding tank. I’d like to repurpose my tank as a holding tank. Most of the connections seem straightforward but I’m trying to decide on the best routing for the black water pipe between the head and the tank. Does anybody have a C with the aft tank setup from the factory as a holding tank? If so please provide some details about how the hose is routed from the head, through the bulkhead, to the tank. Thanks, Julian Sent from my iPhone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
