Re: Stus-List Separation between engine

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

I have decided to go with this 
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.20-inch-x-4ft-white-tight-mesh-shelf.1000679915.html
 I still need to do final fit and attach but I think it's going to work well. 

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Re: Stus-List Separation between locker and engine 33-2

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Thanks all for your input and ideas. I will share the solution I implement on

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  On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 at 6:41 PM, Tortuga via CnC-List 
wrote:   On my 30, I use a piece of fishing net stretched between broom 
handles. I can drop the top handle to access the engine compartment. I try not 
to stow anything in the lazarette that is small enough to go through the net. 
So far so good. 
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkpvkGQ7RaWRhvUpERLYFLJ4uYH1gQ

Derek Kennedy1979 C&C 30 mk1- TortugaBallantyne's Cove, NS
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Stus-List Separation between locker and engine 33-2

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

I have no separation between my cockpit locker and the shaft and engine other 
than a short piece of glasses wood that is about a foot high.  This really 
limits the usefulness of the locker.  I had a dinghy paddle bounce into the 
shaft that caused my some brief trying to determine where the burning plastic 
smell was coming from. I assumed it was an impeller (every once in a while the 
sound of hooves are zebras 🤠). I checked a friend's 29-2 and it has a nice 
removable panel that looks original. My current plan is to fabricate a 
removable separator from wire shelving but would like to get the group's 
suggestions on other options. 
Cheers DougCeltic Knot 33-2 c/bFrenchman's Bay

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Re: Stus-List Bridge Yacht Experience

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I bought and sold boats on the hard last year. I wouldn't accept a condition 
that didn't expire until spring and I didn't ask the seller to. I protected 
myself as buyer with a hold back as did the purchaser of my old boat. If your 
seller agrees to the condition then great, however you may want to think think 
of how much of a hold back will let you sleep at night.
Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot85 33-2 cb

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  On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Graham Young via 
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A lot of my experience has been similar to what John described above
In my case, I spoke with the surveyor yesterday and he plans to try to get to 
the boat this Sunday before the temps begin to freeze consistently.  Initially, 
I told him I would not be able to be there (although would prefer to be) given 
that holiday travel would take me even further away from Port Dover than I 
already live, but I'm thinking about altering my plans and making the long 
drive to be there in person.  He indicated that he would call if he encountered 
anything that would lead him to recommend walking away from the boat and end 
the survey at that point with a charge of half his fee.  
The surveyor I hired also is an engine mechanic and includes an engine survey 
as part of the pre-purchase survey, but he said he would not do it until the 
Spring when the boat was in the water.  The agreement I have includes a 
satisfactory (to me) engine survey, but I halfway expect to be pressured to 
forgo this to close the deal before Spring.  We'll see
Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32 (on the hard and for sale)Cleveland, O. 

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:04 AM, Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Persuasion is not listed yet but in anyone is interested they can contacted me 
off list.  Latest survey spring of 2014.  Cruiser not a racer.  Well I've never 
raced in the 10 years I've owned her.

Seriously one of these days I'll have to make a list of all the upgrades and 
maintenance I've done.

MikePERSUASIONwww.persuasion37.com
C&C 37 K/CBLong Sault
On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:



With all this discussion of boats for sale I would like to let the list know 
that my 27-V 1986 is for sale on Long Island NY.  Very nice boat.  You can see 
listing at http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/61767I am looking to move up to a 
larger boat 35+ to 41 feet so if anyone has one for sale let me know.  Jerry J&J

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On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Phygital via CnC-List  
wrote:



By the way... I dealt with bridge yachts in the last few weeks on my last 
search. 
Survey Failed (according to what I'm looking for), but I had a decent 
experience. There's always the feeling of "did they know more"... some 
experienced buyers see a problem (especially if structural), as a big 
negotiation point. Brokers don't know off hand what the buyer is willing to 
accept. It's an it of a crap shoot for them as well.
Owner got a quote from boatyard and asked the broker to see if we would still 
be interested if repairs were done or deduct the amount from agreed price if I 
chose to do it myself or another boat yard.
We declined, in part thinking resale, but mostly it was the thought of "is it 
safe" that would always be in the admirals mind (you know who I mean)...
I slept well that night :).
You gotta feel good about your boat. A good friend and lister (Christian), told 
me... when you buy the boat "It's Yours"... whatever you discover afterwards 
"it's yours". Hard, but really great advice.
Nothing negative to say about BY. I'm still in touch and they now know I'm a 
serious buyer and exactly what I want and questions I will ask. They are 
prepared.
The hunt is still on.


/J
On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:



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long conversation LOL. I think I am at 2 or so in the last week – marina needs 
to dredge again. Seriously though, VERY good advice. I have had brokers email 
me a survey that was pretty harsh. That was putting 

Re: Stus-List Anyone got a B and G network series knot log 6 paddle sensor they would be willing to part with?

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Thanks for your generous offer. I think your sensor is from the hornet series 
(1.55 inch diameter) and i have the network series (1.2 inch diameter).
Cheers,DougCeltic Knot85 33-2 cb

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  On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Doug Allardyce via 
CnC-List wrote:   Doug,I have an old speed paddle for 
early B&G speed instrument. It was installed on a 1985 C&C35 III. I don't know 
when it was installed on the boat. Its a (4) paddle unit. Needs a bore size or 
1.55". It has 7 wires, white, brown ,red, green, black, yellow, gray. You can 
have it for shipping cost.  
Doug Allardyce 
_/)~~~_/) 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Doug Welch 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:09 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com
Subject: Stus-List Anyone got a B and G network series knot log 6 paddle sensor 
they would be willing to part with?

  Mine broke in 2? Don't ask me how. It went in in 1 piece and came out in 2. 
Anyways B&G wants $500 for a replacement and I can't see myself spending that 
much for sensor replacement. If I can't find one at a reasonable price, I will 
seek permission from the  admiral to replace my wind, depth and speed. I do 
like the current B and G series (Triton?) but would appreciate any input on the 
best bang for the buck. 
 If you do have a sensor, please let me know how much you want for it. 
 Cheers, Doug 
 Celtic Knot 85 33-2 cb 
  
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 original cove stripe cover

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

The rigging shoppe on Midwest in Scarborough stocks a few widths and colors and 
can order colours and widths they don't have in stock

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  On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Tim Sippel via 
CnC-List wrote:   
Nice read
 
I too need to redo the stripes on my 33 mkII
 
I have the eraser well , but can’t seem to source 3m Mylar reasonably , plus 
there is many tape types to choose from . seems the best on has a facing that 
you peel away after install.
 
Theres gotta be a place in Toronto to get this stuff! .
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
Tim
 
  
 
Matico 33 mkII
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of henry evans 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 8:32 PM
To: Chris Duer ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: henry evans ; Paul Cannon ; 
Don Finkle 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 original cove stripe cover
 
  
 
Hi Chris,
 
  
 
Good story.
 
  
 
One of the neat things about working at C&C in the "glory days" was having a 
custom wood shop. Actually, we had 3. One at NOTL, one in Newport and one at 
the custom shop in Oakville. Not sure if the plant in Keil, Germany had one or 
not. The master woodworkers in those shops could do anything. 
 
  
 
It gave us the flexibility to do custom "touches" which were often the requests 
of the Lady.  It was not difficult to build a custom teak pot holder, stereo 
rack or vanity for cosmetics. And it was often the little touchs that made the 
sale. When I did my C&C 29 out of the Rhode Island plant I was pipe smoker and, 
much to my surprise, it came with a 3 station custom teak pipe holder at the 
chart table and even a teak "pipe". 
 
  
 
It was great fun working for company that was sitting in the catbird seat of 
the industry, building the best and fastest boats and being able to give an 
owner exactly what he wanted. It was a heady time in the marine business and I 
am glad I was part of it back then.
 
  
 
Cheers,
 
  
 
Hank  
 
  
 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:12 PM, Chris Duer  wrote:
 
  
 
That's a great story Henry!
 
  
 
We once designed a galley around storing a specific pot on a Tartan 40.  What 
the owner wants, they get.  Within reason...although the reason boundary is 
always stretched...
 
  
 
Chris
 
  
 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:36 PM, henry evans via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
  
 
When I first joined C&C Yachts in 77, I think the coves and stars (arrows) were 
painted. They went to mylar for the stripes shortly thereafter.  A few years 
later they put a gap in the cove so the boat name could be painted there. The 
stars remained gold painted.  Later on we offered the cove and stars in a 
variety of colors to match boot stripes.  The stars remained painted long after 
the coves went to mylar, but eventually they went mylar tape too. 
 
  
 
It is interesting that the stars and diamond next to them were never 
standardized.  If you look at C&C's over the years some of the stars are short 
and stubby, some of them are long and pointed and everything in between.  I 
remember suggesting to George, Rob and David that the stars had become a 
"signature" of C&C and should be standardized.  That never happened while I was 
there. I think it depended on who was making the hull plug and the hull molds 
as to how the stars looked. 
 
  
 
A side story about coves and stars :  Butch Cannon headed up a very successful, 
nationwide architectural firm and was a Past Commodore of the Youngstown Yacht 
Club in Youngstown, N.Y. which is right across the river from Niagara On The 
Lake where C&C's were built. He was also a member of RCYC, a legendary racer on 
Lake Ontario and had many C&C's over the years. While I was working there, he 
went to RCR Yachts for a new C&C 37. Don Finkle at RCR Yachts in Youngstown 
sold him the boat and sent Butch over to see me at the NOTL plant to work out 
the details of what he wanted on the boat.  After all the specifics of winches, 
halyards, etc. he pulled a grey plastic vacuum cleaner nozzle out of his brief 
case and said "Hank, this is the color I want my boot stipe, cove and stars".  
I told him we would try and later in the day went to the plant manager with the 
nozzle and told him what Butch wanted.  Everyone at C&C knew Butch and the 
plant manger just nodded and took the nozzle with a smile. The 37 was about 80% 
complete when Butch again visited the plant to see her abuilding.  He looked at 
the boot top, cove and stars and questioned if that was the right color grey ?  
I just happened to have the vacuum nozzle in my pocket, pulled it out and held 
it up to the stars.  The color match was perfect !  Butch just smiled and I 
handed him back his nozzle.  Butch did well racing his 37 and became a good 
friend and mentor when I served as Commodore of the Youngstown Yacht Club in 
1985.  We lost him about five years ago, well into his 80's. 
 
  

Stus-List 33-2 original cove stripe cover

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

I am sprucing up our 33-2 and am looking for input on the cove stripe and 
diamond and star colours. I have two boot stripes, the bottom being bright red 
and the upper a light blue. The imperial polishing compound has brought them up 
nicely. The cove stripe is mylar and the same color as the boot stripe and the 
diamonds and stars painted gold. I plan a new red mylar cove stripe, but am 
undecided about the gold. Can anyone tell me if the gold was original? I would 
like to restore to original?
Any other relevant advice welcome
Cheers,DougCeltic Knot85 33-2 cb

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Stus-List Looking for oil recommendation for 2GM20F

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Lots of different recommendations found via Google but favoring rotella t 15W40.
What do you folks use?

Located on Toronto and hauling out in 3 weeks


Cheers,Doug
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Re: Stus-List What speed should I expect for 33-2 under

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Should be pretty good. Good coat of vc17 this spring

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  On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Hoyt, Mike via 
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How clean is the bottom?  Makes a huge difference
 
  
 
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CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 1:00 PM
To: C&c Stus List
Cc: Dave S
Subject: Re: Stus-List What speed should I expect for 33-2 under
 
  
 
Doug,
 
  
 
'85 mark ii, yanmar 2gm, 6.5kts in flat water, 2800 rpm I believe with new gori 
folding 2 blade, same top speed with 2 blade fixed prop.  Stock prop was 
folding martec (which I still have) don't recall top speed but I think it was 
similar.   Std pop is spec'd as 16X10 RH IIRC.
 
  
 
Dave
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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I am getting 5.5 kn @2,800 in flat water. I have a 2 blade variprofile 
feathering prop.?
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We have an Atomic 4 in our 33 Mark 1 and top speed is around 6.5 knots.

Jessica
1975 C&C 33 Mark 1
   
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Re: Stus-List What speed should I expect for 33-2 under power?

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Thanks for your response. The 33-2s came with a yanmar 2GM20F. Best of luck 
with your repower.
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  On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:57 PM, David Kaseler via 
CnC-List wrote:   We too have a 1975 33 with an Atomic 
4. What is your hull number? We cruise at 1800 RPMs and get about 6 knots. We 
are in the process of replacing our engine with a rebuilt  from Moyer Marine. 
If you are not familiar with Moyer Marine you should be. They are the authority 
on all things Atomic 4. They even manufacture C&C style engine mounts which 
seem to match the original specks.Dave.

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On Aug 17, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Free Girls Sailing via CnC-List 
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We have an Atomic 4 in our 33 Mark 1 and top speed is around 6.5 knots. 
Jessica 1975 C&C 33 Mark 1

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 wrote:

I am getting 5.5 kn @2,800 in flat water. I have a 2 blade variprofile 
feathering prop. 


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Stus-List What speed should I expect for 33-2 under power?

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Re: Stus-List Diameter of 33-2 Deck Pump Out Fitting?

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Inch a half sounds about right. My local chandlery have me an 1 5/8 to try and 
it's a hair to big 

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  On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via 
CnC-List wrote:   
The universal fit Edson nozzle has a “splash guard” and won several innovation 
awards when it was developed several years ago.  Seems like a simple enough 
idea and something you don’t necessarily think of until you accidently pull the 
nozzle away from the deck fitting but there’s still stuff in the tank being 
sucked up the hose.  Funny thing is that Edson actually started as a pump 
manufacturer back in the mid 1800’s (first US patent on a diaphragm pump) and 
the steering bits were something they added to the product offerings somewhere 
closer to the turn of the century.  They also made “honey wagons” which were 
used to remove sewage in places in which there was no indoor plumbing.  The 
same concept was passed over into the marine industry and are still one of 
about three remaining manufacturers of marina pump out stations and systems.  
Half Magic has a 1 ½” thread on its deck fitting.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

  

  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John McKay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:29 PM
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Cc: John McKay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diameter of 33-2 Deck Pump Out Fitting?

  

I have one on board that I screw
into the deck fitting then use one of 

the fitting at the pump. Will try to remember to check the size when I am there 
tomorrow.

  

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 1:38 pm, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List

 wrote:

I use the marinas cone shaped rubber pump out fitting as I haven't been able to 
find anything that fits. The standards seem to be 1-1/2 or 1-1/4 inch. I think 
it's some metric thread. It says made in NZ on my deck fittings. Will be 
changing deck fittings this next winter.

Found this on the interweb

http://www.edsonintl.com/pumpstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=103&products_id=180&zenid=cbf21b478906895bb76e2de6ee978487

This looks like the one at our Marina

http://mypumpstore.com/Universal-Marine-Pump-Out-Adapter-60709-00.htm

Brad

"Pulse" C&C 33 MkII

Lake Huron

  
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Re: Stus-List mast collar tangs C& C 33-2

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

Thanks to all for your input. A friend and I slacked off all the standing and 
running rigging and got the bolts in. 
Cheers Doug

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  On Tue, 31 May, 2016 at 21:39, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:   Eliminating load on the collar is why I attached Touche's halyard 
blocks to the mast.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsdTZpUEFRcjZ1SEE

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



  
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Stus-List mast collar tangs C& C 33-2

[doug.welch--- via CnC-List]

When I was rigging my new to me 33-2 we couldn't locate one of the the mast 
collar tangs so I had a friend fabricate a duplicate. Both are now misaligned 
and the holes are about 1/4 inch too high to slip the bolt in (the boat is 
fully rigged). My friends have different opinions on this.  One says release 
the rigging and the tangs will slightly deform the cabin top when we reset the 
mast. Another days remake the tangs so the bolts line up with jokes in the mast 
when it's fully rigged. Looking for help from you folks.

Cheers,Doug

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