Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Me too appreciate the link!

John Conklin


On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
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Marek

Thanks. I’ve downloaded both

Joel

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:12 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
In no way I am trying to judge this or provide Sunday quarterbacking. And even 
if I have some off-shore experience, even in some reasonably stormy weather, 
nothing like what was described in that post.

But I would like to suggest to anyone who is planning to venture on the really 
open seas a read of the “Surviving the Storm” by Steve and Linda Dashew. It is 
a great read and at the same time a great teaching book on how one could 
prepare oneself for heavy weather and how one could cope to survive it.  The 
book includes a number of stories similar to what is described in that post. 
One in particular is about a man who also abandoned the boat pretty close to 
the US West Coast on his way from Hawaii. And similarly the boat was still 
floating and probably was salvageable, but the sailor was in much worse state 
(physical and psychological) than the boat. Another interesting thing I read in 
that book is that the chance of a raft surviving the boat’s overturn or even a 
major swamping is quite small. Most of the attachment points that we take for 
granted are not strong enough to survive several tons of water trying to rip it 
off.

The book is available in hardcopy (e.g. from Amazon), but it is also available 
as a PDF (at no charge) e.g. here: 
http://www.setsail.com/weather-forecasting-storm-tactics-and-successful-cruising/
 (that page includes the link to their also great weather forecasting book).

It is not a light read by far, but I strongly recommend reading through both of 
them.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Marek

Thanks. I’ve downloaded both

Joel

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:12 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In no way I am trying to judge this or provide Sunday quarterbacking. And
> even if I have some off-shore experience, even in some reasonably stormy
> weather, nothing like what was described in that post.
>
>
>
> But I would like to suggest to anyone who is planning to venture on the
> really open seas a read of the “Surviving the Storm” by Steve and Linda
> Dashew. It is a great read and at the same time a great teaching book on
> how one could prepare oneself for heavy weather and how one could cope to
> survive it.  The book includes a number of stories similar to what is
> described in that post. One in particular is about a man who also abandoned
> the boat pretty close to the US West Coast on his way from Hawaii. And
> similarly the boat was still floating and probably was salvageable, but the
> sailor was in much worse state (physical and psychological) than the boat.
> Another interesting thing I read in that book is that the chance of a raft
> surviving the boat’s overturn or even a major swamping is quite small. Most
> of the attachment points that we take for granted are not strong enough to
> survive several tons of water trying to rip it off.
>
>
>
> The book is available in hardcopy (e.g. from Amazon), but it is also
> available as a PDF (at no charge) e.g. here:
> http://www.setsail.com/weather-forecasting-storm-tactics-and-successful-cruising/
> (that page includes the link to their also great weather forecasting book).
>
>
>
> It is not a light read by far, but I strongly recommend reading through
> both of them.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

In no way I am trying to judge this or provide Sunday quarterbacking. And even 
if I have some off-shore experience, even in some reasonably stormy weather, 
nothing like what was described in that post.

But I would like to suggest to anyone who is planning to venture on the really 
open seas a read of the “Surviving the Storm” by Steve and Linda Dashew. It is 
a great read and at the same time a great teaching book on how one could 
prepare oneself for heavy weather and how one could cope to survive it.  The 
book includes a number of stories similar to what is described in that post. 
One in particular is about a man who also abandoned the boat pretty close to 
the US West Coast on his way from Hawaii. And similarly the boat was still 
floating and probably was salvageable, but the sailor was in much worse state 
(physical and psychological) than the boat. Another interesting thing I read in 
that book is that the chance of a raft surviving the boat’s overturn or even a 
major swamping is quite small. Most of the attachment points that we take for 
granted are not strong enough to survive several tons of water trying to rip it 
off.

The book is available in hardcopy (e.g. from Amazon), but it is also available 
as a PDF (at no charge) e.g. here: 
http://www.setsail.com/weather-forecasting-storm-tactics-and-successful-cruising/
 (that page includes the link to their also great weather forecasting book).

It is not a light read by far, but I strongly recommend reading through both of 
them.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[David via CnC-List]

A big takeaway from story is when offshore all locker tops (including top 
loading frig) and flooring need be secured to prevent flying, and ultimately 
clogging, objects.  Most offshore race inspections require such modifications.

Also companionway must be securable and releasable from above and below decks.

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I have no idea on their boat, but I just saw an ocean going boat that was
from the 70's with a bad crack through the 1.5" hatch. Any wave would have
split this one.

On June 29, 2018 18:09:21 Randy Stafford via CnC-List
 wrote:

> I’m not judging, but trying to learn.
>
> In the account, they were sailing down steep 30-foot waves under bare
> poles.  The woman awoke to a hard hit by a wave, was suddenly on the
> ceiling, and tons of water came in through the companionway hatch.  The man
> at the helm assessed that they had been turned upside down.
>
> The account does not indicate whether the companionway was closed (hatch
> boards in place), nor whether the the boat may have turned beam to the
> waves and rolled.
>
> What I’m wondering is, regardless of whether they got pooped or rolled,
> could tons of water have come through the companionway if it was closed?
>
> In any case I’m glad the couple survived the ordeal safely, and sorry about
> the loss of their boat.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, it's a well written and poignant story.
>>
>> I think it's easy to find faults from a distance.  I'm also of the opinion
>> that younger / tougher sailors would have sailed home as the mast was still
>> up, the sails there, the boat wasn't taking on water, and the inoperable
>> pumps sounded fixable since they were supposedly only clogged by paper..
>>
>> But I wasn't there.
>>
>> In my mind 2 things were much harder to fix:
>>
>> 1) They were a couple of exhausted / beaten 70 year old folks showing
>> physical signs of distress coming from off-shore exposure and hypothermia.
>>
>> 2) The dinghy / life raft were gone.  If the boat did start to sink, they
>> had no options.
>>
>> It's pretty clear that they "gave up" on a likely to be fixable situation
>> but the real issue was that they were also really worried that either one
>> or both could fall seriously ill or worse before they could reach the shore.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to be the widower that caused his / her better half to
>> perish by saying: "He/ she'll be just fine" the boat's replaceable.
>>
>>
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[David Miles via CnC-List]

I have no idea on their boat, but I just saw an ocean going boat that was 
from the 70's with a bad crack through the 1.5" hatch. Any wave would have 
split this one.


On June 29, 2018 18:09:21 Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I’m not judging, but trying to learn.

In the account, they were sailing down steep 30-foot waves under bare 
poles.  The woman awoke to a hard hit by a wave, was suddenly on the 
ceiling, and tons of water came in through the companionway hatch.  The man 
at the helm assessed that they had been turned upside down.


The account does not indicate whether the companionway was closed (hatch 
boards in place), nor whether the the boat may have turned beam to the 
waves and rolled.


What I’m wondering is, regardless of whether they got pooped or rolled, 
could tons of water have come through the companionway if it was closed?


In any case I’m glad the couple survived the ordeal safely, and sorry about 
the loss of their boat.


Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

On Jun 29, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Thanks for sharing, it's a well written and poignant story.

I think it's easy to find faults from a distance.  I'm also of the opinion 
that younger / tougher sailors would have sailed home as the mast was still 
up, the sails there, the boat wasn't taking on water, and the inoperable 
pumps sounded fixable since they were supposedly only clogged by paper..


But I wasn't there.

In my mind 2 things were much harder to fix:

1) They were a couple of exhausted / beaten 70 year old folks showing 
physical signs of distress coming from off-shore exposure and hypothermia.


2) The dinghy / life raft were gone.  If the boat did start to sink, they 
had no options.


It's pretty clear that they "gave up" on a likely to be fixable situation 
but the real issue was that they were also really worried that either one 
or both could fall seriously ill or worse before they could reach the shore.


I wouldn't want to be the widower that caused his / her better half to 
perish by saying: "He/ she'll be just fine" the boat's replaceable.



-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I’m not judging, but trying to learn.

In the account, they were sailing down steep 30-foot waves under bare poles.  
The woman awoke to a hard hit by a wave, was suddenly on the ceiling, and tons 
of water came in through the companionway hatch.  The man at the helm assessed 
that they had been turned upside down.

The account does not indicate whether the companionway was closed (hatch boards 
in place), nor whether the the boat may have turned beam to the waves and 
rolled.

What I’m wondering is, regardless of whether they got pooped or rolled, could 
tons of water have come through the companionway if it was closed?

In any case I’m glad the couple survived the ordeal safely, and sorry about the 
loss of their boat.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing, it's a well written and poignant story.  
> 
> I think it's easy to find faults from a distance.  I'm also of the opinion 
> that younger / tougher sailors would have sailed home as the mast was still 
> up, the sails there, the boat wasn't taking on water, and the inoperable 
> pumps sounded fixable since they were supposedly only clogged by paper.. 
> 
> But I wasn't there.  
> 
> In my mind 2 things were much harder to fix: 
> 
> 1) They were a couple of exhausted / beaten 70 year old folks showing 
> physical signs of distress coming from off-shore exposure and hypothermia. 
> 
> 2) The dinghy / life raft were gone.  If the boat did start to sink, they had 
> no options. 
> 
> It's pretty clear that they "gave up" on a likely to be fixable situation but 
> the real issue was that they were also really worried that either one or both 
> could fall seriously ill or worse before they could reach the shore. 
> 
> I wouldn't want to be the widower that caused his / her better half to perish 
> by saying: "He/ she'll be just fine" the boat's replaceable. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA 
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

I too have no appreciable offshore experience but it sounds a little bit of
get home itis. 17 years cruising and these were the worse sea conditions
experienced? No storm sails, sea anchor or warps? Did not heave to? Content
to move at 5kts downwind in huge seas? Make for an alternate safe harbor
even though it puts you further from home?

But we were not there. Life saved is worth more than all the Monday morning
quarterbacking we can come up with.

Ed Levert
Briar Patch
C 34
New Orleans La



On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:50 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
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> Very powerful and emotional story.  Never having been offshore, I can only
> imagine what it would be like to be in that situation.  It did not sound
> like the boat was in danger of sinking.  What options did they
> realistically have?  Is there a way to ride out a situation like that?  I
> wonder also if the only thing you can do in those conditions is go downwind
> keeping the waves at their stern.  If you had a bit of sail and tried to
> reach or beat, what would happen?  Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
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[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Very powerful and emotional story.  Never having been offshore, I can only 
imagine what it would be like to be in that situation.  It did not sound like 
the boat was in danger of sinking.  What options did they realistically have?  
Is there a way to ride out a situation like that?  I wonder also if the only 
thing you can do in those conditions is go downwind keeping the waves at their 
stern.  If you had a bit of sail and tried to reach or beat, what would happen? 
 Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Yeah, amazing read... 150 miles left in their journey to port. Feel bad for the 
couple and hats off to the USCG... from Canada 


/John

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
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