Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Had a chance to take some videos of the sail pack operation.  I'll try to
get some of the main going up and down but it is a bit of chaos with only 2
people.

https://youtu.be/w6d49jRktDw

https://youtu.be/tdJpDzxwBRI

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, May 16, 2018, 3:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Has anyone installed a Stack Pack (
> http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
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> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our cover attaches to the sides of the boom.


Questions & Answers:

(1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?  Ours is
fully up.

(2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car? We have
a rope about 3' long attached to the zipper pull so we can reach across the
dodger, etc.

(3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before
zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail?  A stiff new sail is
definitely part of the problem, but we do have to pull back a bit on the
main in a few places to get it to drop into the cradle a bit more sometimes.

(4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?
We don't but our design is a bit different than yours as leaving this cover
in place would make raising the main impossible.

(5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard -
or easing it down?  Ours works best if we drop it all at once, and even
better if it is flapping a bit as it falls.


This is what our cover looks like when the jack lines are brought to the
mast (usually to the horns but not in this photo) and the cover is rolled
up along the side of the boom and fastened down with the little straps
built in for this.  We only do this if we will be out for hours.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/5R8tdl5V2ZU19NJl2


Ken H.


On 17 May 2018 at 12:27, Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> I am new to the stack pack family - just installed this week. Ours is
> a Doyle Cradle Cover (Doyle Stack Pack not attached to the sail).  Mast had
> a Tides track.  The sail is also new a North 3Di and very stiff.  I could
> use any tips on handling this system because I'm having trouble getting the
> sail into the cover enough to zip it up.  Zipper and top of cover is
> approx. 8' above the deck at the mast. Very hard to reach especially over
> the cockpit.  Have 1 step at the mast but still feel like Tarzan swinging
> from a vine when putting the sail in. It would probably help if I were 7'
> tall!
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?
>
> (2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car?
> There's a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks
> good but no info on how it's rigged.
>
> (3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before
> zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail?
>
> (4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?
>
> (5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard
> - or easing it down?
>
> (6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Tony
>
> C 41 C/B #96
>
> Triumph
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of bwhitmore
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:56 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bwhitmore
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
>
> Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes
> around the mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough
> forward that chafing the sail has never concerned me.  Zipping and
> unzipping the stack pack has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie
> to the long zipper car, as I am too short to reach up above the stack
> pack.  I also added two foldable aluminum mast steps so I can step up the
> front of the mast enough to finish the last of the zip & tuck.  I can take
> photos and post them if anyone is interested.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 5/16/18 7:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
>
> This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking
> any time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on
> (similar to Josh's setup).
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAABqLU/8OJ_
> WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg
>
> This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well:
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAABqMY/te2nqCik-
> GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%
> 2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have a sail pack custom m

Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[William Hall via CnC-List]

When I got my boat 5-6 years ago, it had a stack pack already.  I really
like it and have just taken it in to have the cover reworked. They
recommended switching to the cradle cover arrangement you have (mine is/was
the older version where the sail has the bolt rope and the cover is sewn to
the sail).
What works for me is:
1) I have the cover up all the way when dropping the sail
2) I have a hunk of rope about 6-8' long on the zipper.  When opened up and
sailing, the rope goes into a little velcro-closed bag on the boom so it
doesn't whack anybody.
3) With my nice old comfy bedsheets of a sail, it requires very little
stuffing.  Usually just a tad at the mast where the last couple cars
sometimes hang up or bunch on the sail.
4) Yes, I leave the cover on unless I am using the spinnaker pole
5) Drop the halyard as quickly as you can, making sure it's free to run.
Momentum really helps once most of the way down. If the halyard gets stuck
on something it takes a little more stuffing / pulling to get the sail down
the last 5-10 feet.

I hope you figure out something and can make it work with your stiff main!

Bill
C 37 Starfire

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am new to the stack pack family - just installed this week. Ours is
> a Doyle Cradle Cover (Doyle Stack Pack not attached to the sail).  Mast had
> a Tides track.  The sail is also new a North 3Di and very stiff.  I could
> use any tips on handling this system because I'm having trouble getting the
> sail into the cover enough to zip it up.  Zipper and top of cover is
> approx. 8' above the deck at the mast. Very hard to reach especially over
> the cockpit.  Have 1 step at the mast but still feel like Tarzan swinging
> from a vine when putting the sail in. It would probably help if I were 7'
> tall!
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?
>
> (2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car?
> There's a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks
> good but no info on how it's rigged.
>
> (3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before
> zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail?
>
> (4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?
>
> (5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard
> - or easing it down?
>
> (6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Tony
>
> C 41 C/B #96
>
> Triumph
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of bwhitmore
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:56 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bwhitmore
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
>
> Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes
> around the mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough
> forward that chafing the sail has never concerned me.  Zipping and
> unzipping the stack pack has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie
> to the long zipper car, as I am too short to reach up above the stack
> pack.  I also added two foldable aluminum mast steps so I can step up the
> front of the mast enough to finish the last of the zip & tuck.  I can take
> photos and post them if anyone is interested.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> ---- Original message 
> From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 5/16/18 7:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
>
> This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking
> any time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on
> (similar to Josh's setup).
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAABqLU/8OJ_
> WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg
>
> This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well:
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAABqMY/te2nqCik-
> GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%
> 2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at
> Quantum Sails in Solomons, MD.  It makes packing the sail quite simple but
> be warned, the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down
>

Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

(1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?

 - I have found a medium tension that facilitates opening and catching the
sail, zipping closed, and supporting the sail on the boom while zipped.

(2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car? There's
a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks good but no
info on how it's rigged.

 - The aft end if the pack is supported by the topping lift.  Lashed to the
topping lift is a micro block.  The forward end of the pack is supported on
either side of the mast by a pad eye and a soft shackle.  In the bite of
the shackle is another micro block.  A 1/4 inch line twice the length of
the boom is routed from the zipper pull forward inside the jacks along the
path of the zipper to the forward micro block, back outside the jacks along
the length of the boom to the aft micro block and then inside the jacks and
finished off at the zipper pull.


(3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before
zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail?

 - I have to work the flakes down a bit at the mast end and then pull the
flakes aft to get them to lay flat.  Its not so much a stuffing action but
a quick straightening.  And it is in no way shape or form "properly
flaked".  Each time the lay of the sail is probably a little different.
Without the sail pack it would look disheveled but it actually prevents
wear creases from forming in the repeated folds.


(4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?

 - I don't know what design of mast cover you have but mine cannot be left
on.  I suggest removing your to prevent flogging and chafe


(5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard -
or easing it down?

 - I have my zipper pull system on the port side so we come into the wind
and then just a few degrees off to port.  This blows the sail to
starboard.  The sail is dropped quickly and is guided by the stbd jacks.
This all helps prevent the zipper pull l8ne from being buried by the sail
flakes.  I still have to dig it out a little but not too much and it is all
done as part of the before mentioned straightening up if the flakes.


(6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated.
 - All of this operation is considerably facilitated by the jacks being
attached to the second spreader (higher gets jack support further aft) and
about 12 - 18 inches away from the mast (wider gets the mouth open).

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Thu, May 17, 2018, 10:28 AM Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am new to the stack pack family - just installed this week. Ours is
> a Doyle Cradle Cover (Doyle Stack Pack not attached to the sail).  Mast had
> a Tides track.  The sail is also new a North 3Di and very stiff.  I could
> use any tips on handling this system because I'm having trouble getting the
> sail into the cover enough to zip it up.  Zipper and top of cover is
> approx. 8' above the deck at the mast. Very hard to reach especially over
> the cockpit.  Have 1 step at the mast but still feel like Tarzan swinging
> from a vine when putting the sail in. It would probably help if I were 7'
> tall!
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?
>
> (2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car?
> There's a you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks
> good but no info on how it's rigged.
>
> (3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before
> zipping? Or is my problem just a new stiff sail?
>
> (4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?
>
> (5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard
> - or easing it down?
>
> (6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Tony
>
> C 41 C/B #96
>
> Triumph
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of bwhitmore
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:56 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bwhitmore
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
>
> Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes
> around the mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough
> forward that chafing the sail has never concerned me.  Zipping and
> unzipping the stack pack has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie
> to the long zipper car, as I am too short to reach up above the stack
> pack.  I also added two foldable aluminum mast steps so I can step up the
> front of the mast enough to finish the last of the zip & tuck.  I can take
> photos and post them if anyone is intere

Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List]

I am new to the stack pack family - just installed this week. Ours is a Doyle 
Cradle Cover (Doyle Stack Pack not attached to the sail).  Mast had a Tides 
track.  The sail is also new a North 3Di and very stiff.  I could use any tips 
on handling this system because I'm having trouble getting the sail into the 
cover enough to zip it up.  Zipper and top of cover is approx. 8' above the 
deck at the mast. Very hard to reach especially over the cockpit.  Have 1 step 
at the mast but still feel like Tarzan swinging from a vine when putting the 
sail in. It would probably help if I were 7' tall!

Questions:

(1) should the cover be fully up when dropping the sail or eased?

(2) what kind of extension or line do people use on the zipper car? There's a 
you tube video of a continuous line zipper trolley that looks good but no info 
on how it's rigged.

(3) is it typical to have to "stuff" the sail into the cover before zipping? Or 
is my problem just a new stiff sail?

(4) can the mast cover be left in place when sailing, dropping the sail?

(5) is it better to let the sail drop quickly - letting go of the halyard - or 
easing it down?

(6) any other helpful hints would be appreciated.


thanks

Tony

C 41 C/B #96

Triumph




From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of bwhitmore via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitmore
Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes around the 
mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough forward that 
chafing the sail has never concerned me.  Zipping and unzipping the stack pack 
has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie to the long zipper car, as I 
am too short to reach up above the stack pack.  I also added two foldable 
aluminum mast steps so I can step up the front of the mast enough to finish the 
last of the zip & tuck.  I can take photos and post them if anyone is 
interested.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 5/16/18 7:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking any 
time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on (similar to 
Josh's setup).

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAABqLU/8OJ_WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg

This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAABqMY/te2nqCik-GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG

Ken H.

On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at Quantum 
Sails in Solomons, MD.  It makes packing the sail quite simple but be warned, 
the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down the sail a bit 
awkward.  I shopped around to various sail makers and off the shelf products 
and finally decided on the customizations afforded by using a local canvas 
maker.  Had I done it myself with the existing lazy jacks my lead would have 
come off the mast too low and too narrow.  I have a tides marine strong track 
with 5 battons so the stack height had to be carefully accounted for.

I was also involved with the design of the forward part of the pack cover.  
Some have a large flap that wraps around the front of the mast and zips into 
the opposite side.  I didn't like the unanswerable question of what happens to 
this flap during the sail?  Another design option (better but not great) is to 
have the flap unzip on both sides of the pack allowing it to be removed 
completely during sail use.  I was concerned about potential chafe of the 
zippers on the sail and mast.  The sail maker took my suggestion and built a 
short sail cover.  It works like a normal cover and goes on top of the closed 
sail pack, its just short.  It extends about 2 or 3 feet down the boom.  It 
finishes off and protects the leading edge of the pack and sail and also 
protects the head board of the sail.

Since then the same sailmaker has further experimented and has developed a 
schrunchie elasticated area that automatically closes the leading edge of the 
pack with no other action required by the user.

Get with me off list and I can provide pictures, costs, and contact info.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cn

Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Fyi, when we are sailing, we do not remove our short cover that goes around the 
mast and is zipped on both sides. The zippers are far enough forward that 
chafing the sail has never concerned me.  Zipping and unzipping the stack pack 
has been made much easier by attaching a sail tie to the long zipper car, as I 
am too short to reach up above the stack pack.  I also added two foldable 
aluminum mast steps so I can step up the front of the mast enough to finish the 
last of the zip & tuck.  I can take photos and post them if anyone is 
interested.
Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 5/16/18  7:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack? 
This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking any 
time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on (similar to 
Josh's setup).
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAABqLU/8OJ_WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg

This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAABqMY/te2nqCik-GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG

Ken H.
On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at Quantum 
Sails in Solomons, MD.  It makes packing the sail quite simple but be warned, 
the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down the sail a bit 
awkward.  I shopped around to various sail makers and off the shelf products 
and finally decided on the customizations afforded by using a local canvas 
maker.  Had I done it myself with the existing lazy jacks my lead would have 
come off the mast too low and too narrow.  I have a tides marine strong track 
with 5 battons so the stack height had to be carefully accounted for.  
I was also involved with the design of the forward part of the pack cover.  
Some have a large flap that wraps around the front of the mast and zips into 
the opposite side.  I didn't like the unanswerable question of what happens to 
this flap during the sail?  Another design option (better but not great) is to 
have the flap unzip on both sides of the pack allowing it to be removed 
completely during sail use.  I was concerned about potential chafe of the 
zippers on the sail and mast.  The sail maker took my suggestion and built a 
short sail cover.  It works like a normal cover and goes on top of the closed 
sail pack, its just short.  It extends about 2 or 3 feet down the boom.  It 
finishes off and protects the leading edge of the pack and sail and also 
protects the head board of the sail.
Since then the same sailmaker has further experimented and has developed a 
schrunchie elasticated area that automatically closes the leading edge of the 
pack with no other action required by the user.
Get with me off list and I can provide pictures, costs, and contact info.
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD


On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Listers,
Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log








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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have one from Sportech in St Catherines, and love it. Its one of the first 
they did. Jamie has done a number of improvements over the years since then and 
we have added some - pictures once the boat is put together, she splashed 
yesterday!

Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club



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Subject: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

Listers,

Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

This is what our main looks like after just dropping it, without taking any
time to zip the cover shut or to put the separate front cover on (similar
to Josh's setup).

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vcTap2SToF8/WlARaGxmTCI/AAABqLU/8OJ_WtmY6JkgY7o6zOjQfjyXcRM2G92mACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2574%2BSalazar.jpg

This is what it looks like zipped up and with the front cover on as well:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-z3eISLNhQ/WlAUw3PY9WI/AAABqMY/te2nqCik-GUjlHJoZvQPfRKgWtKgWLoqwCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/20130811_Salazar%2Bat%2BBen%2BEoin%2BMarina_0030.JPG

Ken H.

On 16 May 2018 at 20:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at
> Quantum Sails in Solomons, MD.  It makes packing the sail quite simple but
> be warned, the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down
> the sail a bit awkward.  I shopped around to various sail makers and off
> the shelf products and finally decided on the customizations afforded by
> using a local canvas maker.  Had I done it myself with the existing lazy
> jacks my lead would have come off the mast too low and too narrow.  I have
> a tides marine strong track with 5 battons so the stack height had to be
> carefully accounted for.
>
> I was also involved with the design of the forward part of the pack
> cover.  Some have a large flap that wraps around the front of the mast and
> zips into the opposite side.  I didn't like the unanswerable question of
> what happens to this flap during the sail?  Another design option (better
> but not great) is to have the flap unzip on both sides of the pack allowing
> it to be removed completely during sail use.  I was concerned about
> potential chafe of the zippers on the sail and mast.  The sail maker took
> my suggestion and built a short sail cover.  It works like a normal cover
> and goes on top of the closed sail pack, its just short.  It extends about
> 2 or 3 feet down the boom.  It finishes off and protects the leading edge
> of the pack and sail and also protects the head board of the sail.
>
> Since then the same sailmaker has further experimented and has developed a
> schrunchie elasticated area that automatically closes the leading edge of
> the pack with no other action required by the user.
>
> Get with me off list and I can provide pictures, costs, and contact info.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Has anyone installed a Stack Pack (http://www.doylesails.com/
>> stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

Looks good - am I process of using Quantum Sails for some work- will check into 
this w them. 

R/

Tom
S/V Therapy
‘84 C 29 MkII
Solomons MD


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> On May 16, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you zoom in on this picture you can get a bit of an idea what ours looks 
> like.  Since we were only anchored for the night we didn't put the leading 
> edge cover on.  I don't know where we got the term from but we call that 
> cover the "horse collar".
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ybmhLUktmMEhFR1k/view?usp=drivesdknvP1ybmhLUktmMEhFR1k/view?usp=drivesdk
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
>> (http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons? 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

If you zoom in on this picture you can get a bit of an idea what ours looks
like.  Since we were only anchored for the night we didn't put the leading
edge cover on.  I don't know where we got the term from but we call that
cover the "horse collar".

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ybmhLUktmMEhFR1k/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Has anyone installed a Stack Pack (
> http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have a sail pack custom made by my sail maker - Clark McKinney at Quantum
Sails in Solomons, MD.  It makes packing the sail quite simple but be
warned, the boom height can still make zipping the pack and flaking down
the sail a bit awkward.  I shopped around to various sail makers and off
the shelf products and finally decided on the customizations afforded by
using a local canvas maker.  Had I done it myself with the existing lazy
jacks my lead would have come off the mast too low and too narrow.  I have
a tides marine strong track with 5 battons so the stack height had to be
carefully accounted for.

I was also involved with the design of the forward part of the pack cover.
Some have a large flap that wraps around the front of the mast and zips
into the opposite side.  I didn't like the unanswerable question of what
happens to this flap during the sail?  Another design option (better but
not great) is to have the flap unzip on both sides of the pack allowing it
to be removed completely during sail use.  I was concerned about potential
chafe of the zippers on the sail and mast.  The sail maker took my
suggestion and built a short sail cover.  It works like a normal cover and
goes on top of the closed sail pack, its just short.  It extends about 2 or
3 feet down the boom.  It finishes off and protects the leading edge of the
pack and sail and also protects the head board of the sail.

Since then the same sailmaker has further experimented and has developed a
schrunchie elasticated area that automatically closes the leading edge of
the pack with no other action required by the user.

Get with me off list and I can provide pictures, costs, and contact info.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, May 16, 2018, 2:10 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Has anyone installed a Stack Pack (
> http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I agree with everyon here.  I put mine on a year ago when the 37/40+ had a main 
cover that needed immediate replacement.  It not only makes the main really 
easy to reply and zip back up (eliminating flaking, tyingand putting on the 
cover), the sail drops onto it.  I added one othe thing to address Dan's 
concern - a downhaul on the main.  This way I can pull it all the way into the 
pack.  I had an extra clutch  so between that, a block and a couple bullet 
blocks, it was done.
Best upgrade so far!


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/16/18  4:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Daniel Sheer  Subject: Stus-List 
Anyone Have A Stack Pack? 
Pegathy has a stack pack made by Chesapeake sailmakers. It's wonderful. Head to 
wind, drop the main, zip it up. 

Well, not quite that easy, usually have to push the sail of the top edge of the 
pack and inside, but close.
The front comes off and the pack can be lashed to the boom for racing, with the 
jacks tied along the mast for minimal windage. This requires a loose foot main.
One of the most beneficial improvements I've made to the boat.
Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Everything Dan said.  We really like ours, it makes the main as easy to use
as the roller furling Genoa.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia




On 16 May 2018 at 17:43, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Pegathy has a stack pack made by Chesapeake sailmakers. It's wonderful.
> Head to wind, drop the main, zip it up.
>
> Well, not quite that easy, usually have to push the sail of the top edge
> of the pack and inside, but close.
>
> The front comes off and the pack can be lashed to the boom for racing,
> with the jacks tied along the mast for minimal windage. This requires a
> loose foot main.
>
> One of the most beneficial improvements I've made to the boat.
>
> Dan Sheer
> Pegathy - LF38
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

This Lister is Listening !
 I just asked the same question to Chuck! Mack Pac,  Stay Pac, doyle  It is a 
pain  for sure with no real assistance at this point.




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CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:09:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

Listers,

Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html)
 or similar? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

I put one on my LF39 DUE to the center cockpit. It has a line at the mast that 
allows me to open and close it. Worth every penny. Mine is from Doyle. 


Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA.


 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/16/18  12:09  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay  Subject: Stus-List 
Anyone Have A Stack Pack? 
Listers,
Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons? 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log








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Re: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Mike,

Thanks. I don’t race the Enterprise any more (can’t fit any more trophies in 
the case) and now only use her for day sailing and cruising. 

I didn’t raise the main once last year simply because it’s such a PITA to flake 
and tie up when dropping the sail, especially when it’s just two of us on 
board. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 








On May 16, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Edd
 
Rod Stright (C 99 Equinox) had one on his former boat (Frers 33).  I raced 
with him one Wednesday evening when he had just returned from a delivery and 
the Stack Pack was not yet replaced with his racing main.  I was very surprised 
at the performance from this sail.  After the race it almost disappeared it 
stowed so quickly.
 
I was very impressed with the sail
 
If I had a much larger budget for Persistence a Stack Pack main sail would be 
near the top of my list for deliveries and cruising.
 
I think the biggest drawback would be switching from racing sails to cruising 
sails.  The stack pack is like lazy jacks with a line attached up the mast that 
is not used when racing.  Could be a pain but I suspect could also be tied down 
near the shrouds when not using stack pack the way I do with  lazy jacks.
 
Mike
 
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 4:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?
 
Listers,
 
Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html 
) or similar? Pros? Cons? 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
 


   
 



 
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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Edd

Rod Stright (C 99 Equinox) had one on his former boat (Frers 33).  I raced 
with him one Wednesday evening when he had just returned from a delivery and 
the Stack Pack was not yet replaced with his racing main.  I was very surprised 
at the performance from this sail.  After the race it almost disappeared it 
stowed so quickly.

I was very impressed with the sail

If I had a much larger budget for Persistence a Stack Pack main sail would be 
near the top of my list for deliveries and cruising.

I think the biggest drawback would be switching from racing sails to cruising 
sails.  The stack pack is like lazy jacks with a line attached up the mast that 
is not used when racing.  Could be a pain but I suspect could also be tied down 
near the shrouds when not using stack pack the way I do with  lazy jacks.

Mike

Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 4:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Anyone Have A Stack Pack?

Listers,

Has anyone installed a Stack Pack 
(http://www.doylesails.com/stackpack/index.html) or similar? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log









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