Re: Stus-List Sealant for chain plates.

2018-04-10 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
I agree with all who recommend butyl tape.  However, they forgot a few
additional benefits.

!.  It's the product used by C when they built our boats.
2. It's removable.
3  It's less expensive than all the other sealants.
4. A roll will last you for years.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:15 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Butyl it is and never look back.  Had similar issues of leakage and redid
> all chain plates with butyl and nary a drop since then.   Biggest issue is
> the movement of the chain plate through the deck.  When you apply the
> sealant everything is at rest.  When the shrouds are torqued to spec, there
> is a significant upward movement of the chain plate vis a vis the deck.
> Add to that the movement and cycling caused by tacking, and the upward
> movement gets to be significant to the point that sealants just will not
> adhere to the stainless bar.  The exception is butyl but it must be
> contained by the deck plate around the stainless bar.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents American
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed
> Dooley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:11 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ed Dooley
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
>
>
>
> What about Polyethers? Flexible, adheres to plastics (3M 4000UV does
> anyway).
>
> Here’s what West Marine says about them:  *Polyether:* One of the most
> exposure resistant sealants, unaffected by teak oils or cleaners,
> permanently flexible, and sandable. West Marine Multi-Caulk is an excellent
> choice for wood, metal, or fiberglass but will attack some plastics.
> However, 3M 4000UV
> 
> is rated as being safe for all plastics.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"Dennis C." 
>
> *Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.*
>
> *Date: *April 10, 2018 at 10:54:56 AM EDT
>
> *To: *CnClist 
>
>
>
> In my opinion, the issue with many sealants is they "cure" or set.  So a
> polyurethane or silicone sets and becomes less flexible.  Further, many of
> those sealants do not adhere tenaciously to metal.
>
>
>
> Butyl tape, on the other hand, remains sticky and pliable for a long, long
> time.  That means it will flex with any movement in the hardware without
> breaking the seal.
>
>
>
> I still use LifeSeal for many applications where there is little potential
> for movement.  But I'm switching to Butyl tape for bedding anything that
> may flex.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and
> noticed last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its
> winter cover.
>
>
>
> The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the
> list.  What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this
> material in the wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years,
> but the rigging / chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature
> variations from summer to winter plus differing expansion properties] so
> would guess it would take more frequent maintenance.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:02 AM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
>
>
>
> I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.
>
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck
> when rebedding a chainplate.  4000?
>
>
>
> Your assistance is much appreciated.
> --
>
>
>
> *Glen Eddie*
>
> Tel: 416-777-5357
>
> Fax: 1-888-812-2557
>
> ged...@torkinmanes.com
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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chain plates.

2018-04-10 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
Butyl it is and never look back.  Had similar issues of leakage and redid all 
chain plates with butyl and nary a drop since then.   Biggest issue is the 
movement of the chain plate through the deck.  When you apply the sealant 
everything is at rest.  When the shrouds are torqued to spec, there is a 
significant upward movement of the chain plate vis a vis the deck.  Add to that 
the movement and cycling caused by tacking, and the upward movement gets to be 
significant to the point that sealants just will not adhere to the stainless 
bar.  The exception is butyl but it must be contained by the deck plate around 
the stainless bar.

 

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ed Dooley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ed Dooley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

 

What about Polyethers? Flexible, adheres to plastics (3M 4000UV does anyway).

Here’s what West Marine says about them:  Polyether: One of the most exposure 
resistant sealants, unaffected by teak oils or cleaners, permanently flexible, 
and sandable. West Marine Multi-Caulk is an excellent choice for wood, metal, 
or fiberglass but will attack some plastics. However, 3M 4000UV 

  is rated as being safe for all plastics.

Ed

 

 

 

 

 

From: "Dennis C." 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

Date: April 10, 2018 at 10:54:56 AM EDT

To: CnClist 

 

In my opinion, the issue with many sealants is they "cure" or set.  So a 
polyurethane or silicone sets and becomes less flexible.  Further, many of 
those sealants do not adhere tenaciously to metal.

 

Butyl tape, on the other hand, remains sticky and pliable for a long, long 
time.  That means it will flex with any movement in the hardware without 
breaking the seal.

 

I still use LifeSeal for many applications where there is little potential for 
movement.  But I'm switching to Butyl tape for bedding anything that may flex.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and noticed 
last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its winter 
cover.  

 

The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the list.  
What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this material in the 
wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years, but the rigging / 
chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature variations from summer 
to winter plus differing expansion properties] so would guess it would take 
more frequent maintenance. 

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:02 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

 

I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.  

 

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck when 
rebedding a chainplate.  4000? 

 

Your assistance is much appreciated.  


  _  


 


Glen Eddie


Tel: 416-777-5357


Fax: 1-888-812-2557


ged...@torkinmanes.com


VCard  


Torkin Manes LLP
Barristers & Solicitors

151 Yonge Street, Suite 1500
Toronto ON M5C 2W7
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From: Schiller 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

Date: April 10, 2018 at 11:42:54 AM EDT

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