Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...
That does sound like a nice boat for the price. The Mk1 in Vancouver is going for 32K CAD, with an A4! Haulout for the 35-2 is tomorrow, so unless something awful shows up, we're probably going to proceed, and spend the two weeks on the hard fixing what I can to get her ready for cruising in June. We can't afford a perfect boat, so will learn to overlook the deficiencies and tinker with what we can on the rainy days... On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:07 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Near Annapolis MD. > > > https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html > > > > I haven’t this boat in person yet, but the photos don’t look too bad at > all. > > Joe > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Shawn > Wright via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 12:32 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Shawn Wright > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 > decision avoidance... > > > > Where is this MK1 located? The only MK1 I've seen near me is asking $32K > CAD with an A4. > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:18 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > There is a MK I going begging here that seems to be in much better shape > including a 2003 diesel engine for $14K USD. > > If that boat is as big of a mess like she seems like, I would offer 10 and > see what happens. > > > > Joe > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > *Frederick > G Street via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 12:07 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Frederick G Street > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 > decision avoidance... > > > > Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars? If so, > $21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate. That’s a pretty > low amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks. > > > > — Fred > > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > > > > On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the > varied responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in > Ladysmith on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was > sitting on the 35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the > gusts. In the video I noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the > conditions, cutting cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the > 32-35' range, with longer overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the > small chop. Of course, the C easily outsailed the larger boat, and > looking far more comfortable doing it. > > > > My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a > final decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still > couldn't make a final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is > overpriced. There are two many things that need attention before we can > feel good about this boat: > > > > Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might > put this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for > the third battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact > could have easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk. > > > > Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of > cleaning. It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in > years. The cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which > is likely in the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they > are otherwise in ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The > seat backs are stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from > a surface clean. So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new > cushions is several boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves. > > > > Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled > with epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if > I can cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or > damage in them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the > interior. No water damage fortunately. > > > > So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner > today to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to mak
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...
Near Annapolis MD. https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html I haven’t this boat in person yet, but the photos don’t look too bad at all. Joe From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:32 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance... Where is this MK1 located? The only MK1 I've seen near me is asking $32K CAD with an A4. On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:18 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: There is a MK I going begging here that seems to be in much better shape including a 2003 diesel engine for $14K USD. If that boat is as big of a mess like she seems like, I would offer 10 and see what happens. Joe From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance... Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars? If so, $21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate. That’s a pretty low amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the varied responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in Ladysmith on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was sitting on the 35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the gusts. In the video I noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the conditions, cutting cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the 32-35' range, with longer overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the small chop. Of course, the C easily outsailed the larger boat, and looking far more comfortable doing it. My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a final decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still couldn't make a final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is overpriced. There are two many things that need attention before we can feel good about this boat: Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might put this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for the third battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact could have easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk. Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of cleaning. It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in years. The cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which is likely in the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they are otherwise in ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The seat backs are stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from a surface clean. So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new cushions is several boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves. Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled with epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if I can cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or damage in them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the interior. No water damage fortunately. So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner today to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on the deal, so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price to $20K so I can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair, there is a chance we would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of work for me to do in two weeks. I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier to walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem like a step down. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com<mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the lis
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
He seems to be doing fine; but I think he’s getting “Mexico on the brain” after all of this time down there… Sometimes his emails are a little weird; but then he comes right back with another that’s totally fine. BTW, I helped him sail part of the way down the California coast from San Francisco to Mexico when he was heading down there; and the LF38 did just fine in large quartering seas and fairly high winds. I may be a bit biased, as I own one myself… but I’ve been out on Lake Superior in some truly nasty stuff. The boat handles most situations just fine, probably better than the crew. Before the “flame war” starts about lake sailing vs. ocean sailing, please note that I’ve got my fair share of bluewater miles under my belt (including Tropical Storm Sean in the North Atlantic in the late fall of 2011), so I have something to compare to. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > On Apr 24, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > wrote: > > We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38. > Anyone heard from Wally lately? > > Joe > Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc) He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared the boat over the last few seasons. /John > On Apr 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote: > > We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38. > Anyone heard from Wally lately? > > Joe > Coquina > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn > Wright via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Shawn Wright > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? > > Thanks, Dave. > > I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific > coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in > that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ > days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early > stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd > like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for > another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to > California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the > advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local > waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around > powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats > as I endured the drone and smell of the engine... > > Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that > include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. > What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years > ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, > or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, > and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of > our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is > at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring > buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the > beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore... > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin wrote: > Shawn, > > Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II. > > I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no > stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant > headwinds for days on end. > > I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the > final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in > Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in > those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference. > > I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with > (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their > limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire. > > Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross > oceans just fine. ;-) > > Regards, > Dave Godwin > 1982 C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > Ronin’s Overdue Refit > > P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a > bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the > condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the > average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) > engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, > 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution > panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin > sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet > traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop > there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew! > > But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” > and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything > with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it. > > I will be interested in your decision. Good luck! > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List > wrote: > &
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38. Anyone heard from Wally lately? Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? Thanks, Dave. I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the engine... Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore... On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin mailto:dave.god...@me.com>> wrote: Shawn, Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II. I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant headwinds for days on end. I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference. I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire. Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross oceans just fine. ;-) Regards, Dave Godwin 1982 C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit<https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=e669f07f-baffb335-e669d908-0cc47adca76a-5f307ec7f13618c9=http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew! But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it. I will be interested in your decision. Good luck! On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about taking it offshore? One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a beating without
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
Corsair, a 1981 40-2, has been to Bermuda three times with friends, but mostly family. Every trip to and fro we had all the usual weather stuff...gales (50 knots +) Gulf Stream fun and was even pooped. I never thought for a minute about her build or design capabilities out there. And we kept moving in the inevitable light air. Did the 1997 Bermuda One-Two in a Westsail 32. 6 1/2 days later arrived. Never again. Get Outlook for Android From: CnC-List on behalf of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:58:44 PM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat? Almost forgot: I once sold some gear to a C 39 owner on his way around the world. He started the trip in an Alberg 35 and got frustrated with the lack of speed. He loved the 39 :) Joe ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
Almost forgot: I once sold some gear to a C 39 owner on his way around the world. He started the trip in an Alberg 35 and got frustrated with the lack of speed. He loved the 39 ☺ Joe ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?
My 35 has been to Bermuda and back 3 times. We have a 30 on the list someplace that has crossed the Atlantic and I know of a 35 that went around the world. With some obvious exceptions (SR series) C are fine for offshore IMHO. We saw all kind of weather including around 50 knots and breaking seas at spreader height – say 20 something feet. We were wet and got banged around and went really fast ☺ You can see some references to this here: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/ Here is an excerpt: We ended up leaving right at noon into a freshening breeze and put the hammer down with a reefed main and number 3. By breakfast we were down to a double reefed main and working jib. I was making pancakes on the stove when we saw a steel ketch to windward of us. They were running under bare poles and looked to be rolling so bad they might capsize to windward or leeward. We did 170 miles noon-to-noon the first day out. By the second day we were beam reaching in 20 foot breaking seas with the rail down under double reefed main and storm jib. Steering was like the best thrill ride ever invented combined with sitting at the bottom of Niagara Falls with speeds in the double digits as we surfed down the face of the waves. Our second noon-to-noon was 180 miles, which still stands as our 24 hour record. When we got in VHF range to call home everyone thought we had turned around because of the storm and gone back to Bermuda. Not so, we were getting ready to put in to Cape May for a steak dinner and showers. Others including the 30 mentioned have been out in worse than that. Also see this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/gor/GOR.html Joe Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:50 AM To: cnc-list Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? Shawn, I'm still lurking here. My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have all been to Bermuda. Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore, but obviously, others have different standards. Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe. Joel Formerly The Office On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about taking it offshore? One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a beating without worrying about our safety. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com<mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
