Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

 Mine secured by hex bolts with acorn nuts (8 - IIRC).  I would not want to
have to fuss with that in an emergency though.  Tim, it seems really odd to
me that that your port side locker does not operate.   Both lockers on mine
are quite accessible and the parts a molded in such a way as to suggest
that operable lids would have been standard for both.Stbd locker is the
only one plumbed with hoses and tank for propane, port is a very useful
catch-all but it also has the drain plumbed and connected for propane.

To C-Dirk's post - I checked and need to check again, but I thought that
the inboard side of the cockpit locker was not cored, therefore would not
easily take screws.  I will check that.

Further to all of this.   I checked McMaster carr's website and they sell
threaded "hand knobs" in both stainless and aluminum.   I will verify
dimensions and probably order the parts to make this tool-less, then
chamfer the bottom edge of the tiller bore, plus add an eye-strap to the
tiller itself.   I can foresee wanting to heave-to in a situation that
might require the tiller, and being able to attach a line would be useful
indeed.  A bracket on the cockpit locker wall makes the most sense, though
its configuration requires more rum and engineering...   Thanks all for the
interesting discussion.

Dave Syer (Windstar, '85 33-2)

From: Tim Sippel <>
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Subject: RE: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

Interesting , my helm seat (33mkii) is attached by 8 sets of nuts and bolts
and minimal access to port side set. (propane locker on starboard allows
access, port side lid sealed at factory).
Not ideal .

Tim

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We tied the wheel to the stern pulpit and the helm seat was stuffed into
the quarter-berth.
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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[David via CnC-List]

I have 8 heavy screws.


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Interesting , my helm seat (33mkii) is attached by 8 sets of nuts and bolts and 
minimal access to port side set. (propane locker on starboard allows access, 
port side lid sealed at factory).
Not ideal .

Tim

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We tied the wheel to the stern pulpit and the helm seat was stuffed into the 
quarter-berth.



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:28:45 -0400
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Good thread. My question has always been what to do with the helm seat and 
wheel? I've never actually tried removing the helm seat but it sure does appear 
like it can be removed, just not sure how, or whether it's needed on the 32.

I keep my emergency tiller in the port side cockpit locker on the upper shelf 
with the wrench taped to it. Really easy to get to, but I should probably do a 
practice run.

I'm a fair weather, lake sailor, so I never really prioritized this as much as 
I should.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Interesting , my helm seat (33mkii) is attached by 8 sets of nuts and bolts and 
minimal access to port side set. (propane locker on starboard allows access, 
port side lid sealed at factory).
Not ideal .

Tim

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

We tied the wheel to the stern pulpit and the helm seat was stuffed into the 
quarter-berth.



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:28:45 -0400
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Good thread. My question has always been what to do with the helm seat and 
wheel? I've never actually tried removing the helm seat but it sure does appear 
like it can be removed, just not sure how, or whether it's needed on the 32.

I keep my emergency tiller in the port side cockpit locker on the upper shelf 
with the wrench taped to it. Really easy to get to, but I should probably do a 
practice run.

I'm a fair weather, lake sailor, so I never really prioritized this as much as 
I should.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[David via CnC-List]

We tied the wheel to the stern pulpit and the helm seat was stuffed into the 
quarter-berth.



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:28:45 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

Good thread. My question has always been what to do with the helm seat and 
wheel? I've never actually tried removing the helm seat but it sure does appear 
like it can be removed, just not sure how, or whether it's needed on the 32. 
I keep my emergency tiller in the port side cockpit locker on the upper shelf 
with the wrench taped to it. Really easy to get to, but I should probably do a 
practice run.
I'm a fair weather, lake sailor, so I never really prioritized this as much as 
I should.
SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I would consider a hook and loop strap to attach the wrench to the tiller.
Cable ties and tape require extra time and effort.

I actually have mine attached with electrical tape but it has a nice tab to
grab for quick unwrapping.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Good thread. My question has always been what to do with the helm seat and
wheel? I've never actually tried removing the helm seat but it sure does
*appear* like it can be removed, just not sure how, or whether it's needed
on the 32.

I keep my emergency tiller in the port side cockpit locker on the upper
shelf with the wrench taped to it. Really easy to get to, but I should
probably do a practice run.

I'm a fair weather, lake sailor, so I never really prioritized this as much
as I should.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[David via CnC-List]

We broke a fairly new (2nd season) steering cable about 100 miles outside of 
Bermuda in 09'.   We setting up for a gale when we slid backward with a only 
the heavily reefed main up...my guess is the rudder went to its stops, unloaded 
the cable (which was recently tightened) and when re-loaded the cable 
misaligned and snapped.   

So we immediately put the auto-pilot on.  The ram is directly attached to the 
post via its own tiller arm.  Great insurance if the radial drive goes.   We 
used the pilot all day in the ensuing 30+ knots slog upwind.   Could not 
imagine doing that manually with the emergency tiller.   I guess we would have 
rigged some sort of tackle to manage the thing.

To use our tiller, two things have to happen.   Remove the wheel and remove the 
helm "throne".  I suggest removing the wheel at the dock to test its ease of 
removal. If it is corroded and set (like I discovered a few years ago) it may 
take a pulley puller to get the thing off.  I don't usually carry one of those 
things aboard so I now check that at the start of every season and rent the 
tool if necessary.

When the tiller is installed dead-ahead is oriented 45% off center (starboard) 
to clear the binnacle.  Sailing with that orientation in practice is not so bad 
but trying to back into a dock was more than a little challenging and a bit 
embarrassing.  

Over-all the big issue was load.  I am fairly large at 6'4" and 215 lbs and I 
really had to throw my hip into the tiller to make it move (even docking and 
motoring) so you may want to keep that in mind when planning on using it.  

In Bermuda we replaced the cable with one a size larger than Edson recommends 
just in case... 

It is stored in the cockpit locker.   




David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:15:14 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: capt...@gmail.com

Dave,

Touche's emergency tiller is snapped into two clips right inside the starboard 
cockpit locker.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsdWgtQkQ5TDM4cWM

A pair of clips like these would work:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303301=19242

It is immediately available.  A wrench is attached with electrical tape.  The 
tape has a pull tab for easy removal.

Right above the tiller is our boat hook.  

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on the 
fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such a thing.



Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?



Many thanks, Dave.







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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I keep ours in the shallow starboard cockpit locker, it *just* fits.
Wrenches are taped to it.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 1 August 2016 at 06:37, Lee Rosenbaum via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> Dave:
>
> I just tried my Emergency Tiller last week before the Hook race.
> Did not have to remove wheel or helmsman raised seat.
> My wrench is taped to the tiller so it is easy to cut or rip off.
> Currently it is stored in the battery compartment, but after thinking
> about this I think I will move it to the lazarette where I can get at it
> faster.
>
> Lee Rosenbaum
> 1985 33-2
> Kenosha, WI
>
>
>> --
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I have actually used my emergency tiller...what exactly is your
>> question...?
>>
>> David F. Risch
>> 1981 40-2
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>>
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:10 -0400
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches.   Where?  33-2 and
>> others
>> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > CC: syerd...@gmail.com
>> >
>> >  This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are
>> currently cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down
>> straps on the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools
>> for such a thing.
>> >
>> > Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?
>> >
>> > Many thanks, Dave.
>> >
>>
>>
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[Lee Rosenbaum via CnC-List]

Dave:

I just tried my Emergency Tiller last week before the Hook race.
Did not have to remove wheel or helmsman raised seat.
My wrench is taped to the tiller so it is easy to cut or rip off.
Currently it is stored in the battery compartment, but after thinking about
this I think I will move it to the lazarette where I can get at it faster.

Lee Rosenbaum
1985 33-2
Kenosha, WI


> --
>
> Dave,
>
> I have actually used my emergency tiller...what exactly is your
> question...?
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:10 -0400
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches.   Where?  33-2 and others
> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > CC: syerd...@gmail.com
> >
> >  This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently
> cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on
> the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such
> a thing.
> >
> > Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?
> >
> > Many thanks, Dave.
> >
>
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Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Dave via CnC-List]

Apologies - my post is not at all clear.

 I am wondering where others cleverly stow the tiller and its tools.When I 
got mine it was buried in the cockpit locker, with rusting wrenches Masking 
taped to the arm.  
I fastened the wrenches with small cable ties and tied the lot to the straps 
which secure the fuel tank.  At least I can find it quickly, assuming it has 
not untied itself.
I would rather have it secured in an easy to access location (I have some 
thoughts) and would like it to be tool-less.  (Have not thought about that yet.)

Am interested in your tiller experience 'under fire'.

Dave



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Dave,

I have actually used my emergency tiller...what exactly is your question...?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:10 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches.   Where?  33-2 and others
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: syerd...@gmail.com
> 
> This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
> cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on 
> the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools fo

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Dave,

Touche's emergency tiller is snapped into two clips right inside the
starboard cockpit locker.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsdWgtQkQ5TDM4cWM

A pair of clips like these would work:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303301=19242

It is immediately available.  A wrench is attached with electrical tape.
The tape has a pull tab for easy removal.

Right above the tiller is our boat hook.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently
> cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on
> the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such
> a thing.
>
> Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?
>
> Many thanks, Dave.
>
>
>
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[David via CnC-List]

Dave,

I have actually used my emergency tiller...what exactly is your question...?

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:10 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches.   Where?  33-2 and others
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: syerd...@gmail.com
> 
>  This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
> cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on 
> the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such a 
> thing.
> 
> Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?   
> 
> Many thanks, Dave.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Emergency tiller & wrenches. Where? 33-2 and others

[Ken Walters via CnC-List]

Dave,
Good question. I keep mine down below on the ledge in the quarter berth.  I 
should wire tie the wrenches to it as well: I suspect the wheel would need to 
be removed also, even then I am not sure how much leverage you could get on 
that tiller with the binnacle still there. I need to actually try it out and 
see how it will work on a pre-need basis. I will report back.
Ken
33-1


> On Jul 31, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
> cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on 
> the fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such a 
> thing.
> 
> Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?   
> 
> Many thanks, Dave.
> 
> 
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[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

 This has bugged me since I bought the boat.  The wrenches are currently 
cable-tied to the tiller and the tiller is tied to the hold down straps on the 
fuel tank.   Not a fan really, and I don't like needing tools for such a thing.

Thoughts/advice from those more evolved than I?   

Many thanks, Dave.



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