Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s
Bill, Don’t believe it. It is the same HST (13%), regardless how you bring it. If I were you (or actually, your customer), I would spend the extra $250 (and this is CAD, so about $50 USD (;-)) and hire a customs broker. I did and it was one of the best $250 I spent. When my boat was crossing the border, it took the driver all of 15 min to cross. All paperwork was pre-prepared, taxes paid, bill of sale stamped and approved by the customs officer ahead of time. One of the things that you would need (in order to avid duties) is a proof that the boat was made in the US or Canada. But I think that this is listed in the US title and if you decide to use the broker, they would take care of it. The customs broker is especially useful if the person bringing the boat across the border is not the owner (or more precisely, if the owner is not present at the border, when the boat crosses it). You have to pay the HST at the border at the time of crossing (or have it pre-paid). If the owner is not present, you would have to pay that tax, or the boat could be impounded (held in storage) until the taxes are paid. If you (your client?) decide to use the broker, find one that deals with crossings around the place where you plan to arrive. Despite the fact that theoretically, one set of rules applies along the border, the reality is that different points of crossing want the paperwork prepared in a slightly different fashion, so you have to specify where you plan to cross. My boat crossed at Gananoque (1000 Islands), but I was told that the rules at Prescot (Ogdensburg) were sufficiently different that the documents were not easily transferable. My boat was trucked in, so I cannot offer any advice on how to cross the border over water. Marek 1994 C270 ”Legato” Ottawa, ON From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 14:43 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do with it being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal. That just seems nutz. Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person. So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Thanks for the replies – This would be being delivered by water to Ontario Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant (dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. From: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.gov.bc.ca%2Fassets%2Fgov%2Ftaxes%2Fsales-taxes%2Fpublications%2Fpst-108-boats.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C2b792ec10bef4766cb0808d6c29b85c5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636910370546059404=XsgTER9WiQHM0UC1N3vhfdkrYiOPp4MZz1S2vNdjjck%3D=0> "If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate of 7% on the taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as determined under the Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST due when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due (see Paying PST below)." On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, but I had the documents showing that the tax
Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s
Hi Bill, If a product is brought over for commercial purposes only the GST is required. The person importing the product will fill out the appropriate customs form, I cannot remember the number off hand, but the importer requires a business number, they are essentially acting as a broker. My current C is my third boat brought into Canada, two were by road, my C by water. The boat is like a used car. The government is going to collect tax on it. What I did to make life easier. I purchased the boat (Maine USA), took the bill of sale to my local DMV (New Brunswick), Paid the HST and registered the boat with New Brunswick. Went back to Maine and readied the boat for sailing to New Brunswick. When I arrived in Canada, I called CANPASS to declare my arrival into Canada. Normally they will meet you at the dock, but in my case they cleared me into Canada via phone call. It is a lot easier when the boat is Canadian registered and you are the only one on board. The most you should pay tax wise is HST on your bill of sale. Cheers, Tom Tom Power<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> Invictus C 30 MK1 Fredericton, NB From: CnC-List on behalf of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do with it being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal. That just seems nutz. Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person. So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Thanks for the replies – This would be being delivered by water to Ontario Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant (dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. From: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf "If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate of 7% on the taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as determined under the Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST due when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due (see Paying PST below)." On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid). Marek Ottawa, ON From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ & Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Hi Bill, When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to pay but no import duty. The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption limit is reached. The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the C head office was in the USA. Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_154E_01D4F2C4.06F3F4B0" Content-language: en-us It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a C being reduced when a Canadian Made C was returned from USA to Canada, Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected
Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s
Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do with it being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal. That just seems nutz. Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person. So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Thanks for the replies – This would be being delivered by water to Ontario Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant (dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. From: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf "If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate of 7% on the taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as determined under the Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST due when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due (see Paying PST below)." On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid). Marek Ottawa, ON From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ & Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Hi Bill, When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to pay but no import duty. The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption limit is reached. The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the C head office was in the USA. Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_154E_01D4F2C4.06F3F4B0" Content-language: en-us It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a C being reduced when a Canadian Made C was returned from USA to Canada, Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced? Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray=02%7C01%7C%7C6cd21a3600e1407ec2ba08d6c136a800%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636908837815036048=vLQZd09JLEhErfFNdHwwmY%2Fw3u0ZtVfU8tmDYeegYUc%3D=0> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s
Thanks for the replies – This would be being delivered by water to Ontario Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant (dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. From: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf "If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate of 7% on the taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as determined under the Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST due when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due (see Paying PST below)." On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid). Marek Ottawa, ON From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ & Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Hi Bill, When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to pay but no import duty. The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption limit is reached. The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the C head office was in the USA. Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_154E_01D4F2C4.06F3F4B0" Content-language: en-us It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a C being reduced when a Canadian Made C was returned from USA to Canada, Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced? Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray=02%7C01%7C%7C6cd21a3600e1407ec2ba08d6c136a800%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636908837815036048=vLQZd09JLEhErfFNdHwwmY%2Fw3u0ZtVfU8tmDYeegYUc%3D=0> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s
You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid). Marek Ottawa, ON From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ & Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s Hi Bill, When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to pay but no import duty. The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption limit is reached. The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the C head office was in the USA. Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_154E_01D4F2C4.06F3F4B0" Content-language: en-us It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a C being reduced when a Canadian Made C was returned from USA to Canada, Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced? Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray=02%7C01%7C%7C6cd21a3600e1407ec2ba08d6c136a800%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636908837815036048=vLQZd09JLEhErfFNdHwwmY%2Fw3u0ZtVfU8tmDYeegYUc%3D=0> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born Câs
Hi Bill, When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to pay but no import duty. The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption limit is reached. The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the C head office was in the USA. Cheers, Russ ex-Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_154E_01D4F2C4.06F3F4B0" Content-language: en-us It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a C being reduced when a Canadian Made C was returned from USA to Canada, Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced? Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
