Re: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 I have the shoal draft and I understand that they added weight to the keel in 
order to produce the same righting moment.Do others with the shoal draft 30-1 
have the added weights as well?RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Saturday, December 28, 2019, 03:55:27 PM CST, Randy Stafford 
 wrote:  
 
 Grenadine has the fin keel; five-foot draft.  And 3,450 pounds in the keel 
according to sailboatdata.com
Cheers,Randy


On Dec 28, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 Randy,Is she a fin keel or shoal?RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 05:45:17 PM CST, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
9220 pounds before crew.
Cheers,Randy


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Re: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Grenadine has the fin keel; five-foot draft.  And 3,450 pounds in the keel 
according to sailboatdata.com 

Cheers,
Randy

> On Dec 28, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> Is she a fin keel or shoal?
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
> 
> 
> On Monday, December 16, 2019, 05:45:17 PM CST, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
> trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
> weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
> and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
> 9220 pounds before crew.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Randy,Is she a fin keel or shoal?RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 05:45:17 PM CST, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
9220 pounds before crew.
Cheers,Randy


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Re: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Yes that was with all spars and standing rigging aboard (and probably 15-20 
pounds of wood cradling them).  At the time she didn’t have a vang.  Yes 
Grenadine is tiller-steered.  I weighed her en route home from buying her, with 
all gear aboard, on certified truck scales.  Later at home I took everything 
off and weighed it - all sails, all lazaret contents, etc., leaving absolutely 
nothing aboard but furniture, cushions, and two group 27 batteries.  By 
subtracting the summed weight of that stuff and 20 gallons of gas and the 
trailer weight (empty, on the same truck scales), I came up with 8682 pounds - 
within 8.5% of “brochure weight”, to Rob’s point.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I assume that is including mast, rigging and maybe a boom vang?
> 
> Is Grenadine tiller, maybe 60 pounds lighter than a wheel?
> 
> With Windburn reasonably cleaned out but leaving all of the
> requisite safety equipment on the weight is around 9500 pounds
> at haulout. That is without the mast, shrouds, forestay and backstay.
> With those added, a main and genoa but no crew I will guess the
> minimum weight I can sail at is 10,000.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Randy Stafford  <mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>> 
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: 12/16/2019 6:44 PM 
> Subject: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight 
> 
> I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
> trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
> weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
> and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
> 9220 pounds before crew.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The listed weight of the 30-1 on the spec sheets is 8000#. I doubt there was 
>> ever one that light. The ones which have been weighed seem to hover around 
>> 9000. After looking at Rich’s #1, I can see a lot of differences, such as 
>> his chainplate system. And, after seeing pictures of other boats – mine has 
>> the teak and holly floor throughout, a sump pump for the shower, pressure 
>> water, hot water heater, two batteries, and the three burner propane 
>> stove/oven which were accessories. 
>>  
>> From some earlier comments by owners, I don’t think the raising of the boom 
>> did much for performance, but it did relieve a lot of headaches. 
>>  
>> And I agree with Michael, the boat does quite well in 15 knots and above.
>>  
>> Gary
>>  
>> From: CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of Michael Brown via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:29 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Michael Brown mailto:m...@tkg.ca>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
>>  
>> Also the 30-1 is far from a one design.
>>  
>> The earlier models tended to be heavier, possibly due to things
>> like the water tanks being made out of fiberglass versus the
>> later models having plastic tanks. The rudder design changed
>> and the boom was raised 1'. I have pictures of 30-1s side by
>> side with obvious differences in the spreader height.
>>  
>> At the club haul out the crane measures the boat weights. While
>> not striped out but somewhat equally emptied the 30-1s can be
>> as much as 500 lbs difference in weight to each other.
>> 
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C 30-1
> 
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Re: Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I assume that is including mast, rigging and maybe a boom vang?


Is Grenadine tiller, maybe 60 pounds lighter than a wheel?


With Windburn reasonably cleaned out but leaving all of the
requisite safety equipment on the weight is around 9500 pounds
at haulout. That is without the mast, shrouds, forestay and backstay.
With those added, a main and genoa but no crew I will guess the
minimum weight I can sail at is 10,000.

Michael Brown

Windburn
C 30-1







 From:   Randy Stafford  
 To:   cnc-list  
 Sent:   12/16/2019 6:44 PM 
 Subject:   Stus-List 30 MK I Weight 



I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
9220 pounds before crew.


Cheers,
Randy



On Dec 16, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 


The listed weight of the 30-1 on the spec sheets is 8000#. I doubt there was 
ever one that light. The ones which have been weighed seem to hover around 
9000. After looking at Rich’s #1, I can see a lot of differences, such as his 
chainplate system. And, after seeing pictures of other boats – mine has the 
teak and holly floor throughout, a sump pump for the shower, pressure water, 
hot water heater, two batteries, and the three burner propane stove/oven which 
were accessories. 
 
>From some earlier comments by owners, I don’t think the raising of the boom 
>did much for performance, but it did relieve a lot of headaches. 
 
And I agree with Michael, the boat does quite well in 15 knots and above.
 
Gary
 


From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Michael Brown via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
 

Also the 30-1 is far from a one design.

 

The earlier models tended to be heavier, possibly due to things

like the water tanks being made out of fiberglass versus the

later models having plastic tanks. The rudder design changed

and the boom was raised 1'. I have pictures of 30-1s side by

side with obvious differences in the spreader height.

 

At the club haul out the crane measures the boat weights. While

not striped out but somewhat equally emptied the 30-1s can be

as much as 500 lbs difference in weight to each other.

Michael Brown

Windburn

C 30-1
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Stus-List 30 MK I Weight

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I weighed Grenadine (hull #79, 1972) on a truck scale when I bought her - 
trailer with loaded boat, less empty trailer after launch.  By unloading and 
weighing all loose gear I calculated she weighed 8682 pounds with empty tanks 
and nothing aboard but her two batteries.  Her as-sailed weight is more like 
9220 pounds before crew.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The listed weight of the 30-1 on the spec sheets is 8000#. I doubt there was 
> ever one that light. The ones which have been weighed seem to hover around 
> 9000. After looking at Rich’s #1, I can see a lot of differences, such as his 
> chainplate system. And, after seeing pictures of other boats – mine has the 
> teak and holly floor throughout, a sump pump for the shower, pressure water, 
> hot water heater, two batteries, and the three burner propane stove/oven 
> which were accessories.
>  
> From some earlier comments by owners, I don’t think the raising of the boom 
> did much for performance, but it did relieve a lot of headaches.
>  
> And I agree with Michael, the boat does quite well in 15 knots and above.
>  
> Gary
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Michael Brown via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:29 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Michael Brown 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments
>  
> Also the 30-1 is far from a one design.
>  
> The earlier models tended to be heavier, possibly due to things
> like the water tanks being made out of fiberglass versus the
> later models having plastic tanks. The rudder design changed
> and the boom was raised 1'. I have pictures of 30-1s side by
> side with obvious differences in the spreader height.
>  
> At the club haul out the crane measures the boat weights. While
> not striped out but somewhat equally emptied the 30-1s can be
> as much as 500 lbs difference in weight to each other.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1

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