Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
Thanks very much for the information. As always, it is most helpful. Fair Winds, Pete W.Siren Song1991 30-2Deltaville, VA From: kellype...@msn.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 16:17:51 -0500 My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on it]. The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All was reported as OK. I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing was done. That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance I should consider. --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? --Can it be done without removing the mast? -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? --What should I expect to pay roughly? --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, Va.]? Thanks, Pete W. Siren Song 1991 30-2 Deltaville, Va. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
My boat is 27 years old and like you I have little knowledge of what the two previous owners have put her through. I need to redo the entire mast. Paint, wiring, spreaders, pretty much everything. Not because anything is giving me problems, simply because it is old and I had never had the rig inspected. I decided that the single most important AND vulnerable component was the headstay. Just like you, I was unsure if it was rod or wire. During the rig inspection almost everything came back as being in safe condition. The only "critical" comment was a "spot" on the headstay (which turned out to be rod). Extensive discussions with the shop brought up some important points which ultimately led to my decision. -Navtec recommends replacement of rod rigging every 10 years. -This particular rigger had only ever seen 2 rod failures in his 20 or so years of experience. -Both failures were immediate and total with no warnings at the head. Both were over 10 years old and nearing 20. -This rigger explained that a best case inspection of the rod requires removal and even with a die penetrant the rod is no less likely to fail. -The loss of a shroud or backstay can be addressed and is significantly less likely to result in the loss of the mast. -Replacing the furler rod with wire was estimated at $1400. Replacing and up sizing was estimated at $1600. Replacing the furler with a new Furlex (which would include a new wire headstay) was estimated at $4500. My existing furler was perfectly functional. So all of those points being taken into consideration I elected to have the headstay REPLACED with a size larger rod for added safety margin. I'll have the rest of the rig done and the mast re-fit during subsequent seasonal maintenance windows. For now, I'll have much more peace of mind. Hope this info helps you make a decision. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Feb 1, 2016 4:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" wrote: > My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, > except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken > furler on it]. > The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. > About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All > was reported as OK. > I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 > seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. > However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some > racing was done. > > That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging > terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of > terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. > I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what > maintenance I should consider. > --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? > --Can it be done without removing the mast? > -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? > --What should I expect to pay roughly? > --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, > Va.]? > > Thanks, > > Pete W. > > Siren Song > 1991 30-2 > Deltaville, Va. > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
As Dennis said, failures generally happen at the head. As part of rebuilding my rig I had all of the rod re-headed. More importantly in my case was the fact that I changed the style of tang. The original style was very problematic and I replaced all of them with the newer design stemball tangs. I don't know what style you have but the original Navtec tangs were cutting through my rod. I did this in 1997 so pricing won't be of much value to you. I do feel very confident in the current condition of my rig as it is. I'm getting ready to find a good rigger in our area. I've got a contact and I will get back to you on that when I can. Best, Dave 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville VA Sent from my iPad > On Feb 1, 2016, at 17:22, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > Kelly, > > Most rod rigging failures occur at the head. Many on the list have had rods > re-headed. There should be a Navtec shop near you. If not, I used Florida > Rigging, http://www.rigginghydraulics.com/rigging.shtml. > > Call the shop to discuss pricing,etc. > > You can remove rigging one by one to send off. Block the forestay and > backstay with a halyard to the bow. My buddy and I routinely drop a forestay > for a day or two when installing curlers. > > One would assume they would not re-head a bad rod. Coil the rod to no less > than 200 x rod diameter and tie it to an "X" of 2 x 4's. Give to UPS to ship. > > Dennis C. >> On Feb 1, 2016 2:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except >> for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on >> it]. >> The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. >> About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All >> was reported as OK. >> I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 >> seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. >> However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing >> was done. >> >> That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging >> terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of >> terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. >> I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance >> I should consider. >> --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? >> --Can it be done without removing the mast? >> -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? >> --What should I expect to pay roughly? >> --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, >> Va.]? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pete W. >> >> Siren Song >> 1991 30-2 >> Deltaville, Va. >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
Kelly, Most rod rigging failures occur at the head. Many on the list have had rods re-headed. There should be a Navtec shop near you. If not, I used Florida Rigging, http://www.rigginghydraulics.com/rigging.shtml. Call the shop to discuss pricing,etc. You can remove rigging one by one to send off. Block the forestay and backstay with a halyard to the bow. My buddy and I routinely drop a forestay for a day or two when installing curlers. One would assume they would not re-head a bad rod. Coil the rod to no less than 200 x rod diameter and tie it to an "X" of 2 x 4's. Give to UPS to ship. Dennis C. On Feb 1, 2016 2:18 PM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" wrote: > My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, > except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken > furler on it]. > The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. > About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All > was reported as OK. > I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 > seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. > However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some > racing was done. > > That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging > terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of > terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. > I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what > maintenance I should consider. > --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? > --Can it be done without removing the mast? > -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? > --What should I expect to pay roughly? > --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, > Va.]? > > Thanks, > > Pete W. > > Siren Song > 1991 30-2 > Deltaville, Va. > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
I'm pretty sure Latell Sails in Deltaville (Ullman Sails VA) would be a good source of rigging knowledge. Jerry Latell, the owner is a stand up guy. Chuck Gilchrest Half Magic 1975 25 Mk 1 S/V Orion (name change forthcoming) 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly petew via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 4:18 PM To: cnc-list Cc: kelly petew Subject: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on it]. The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All was reported as OK. I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing was done. That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance I should consider. --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? --Can it be done without removing the mast? -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? --What should I expect to pay roughly? --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, Va.]? Thanks, Pete W. Siren Song 1991 30-2 Deltaville, Va. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
Pete, I had it done on my 35 4 years ago. They pulled the mast. They did a bunch of other stuff, such as wiring. Labor for reheading was $450, but the total job, including pulling the rig was a lot more! Atlantic Spars in Herrington Harbor did it - not close to you. Joel On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:17 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, > except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken > furler on it]. > The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. > About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All > was reported as OK. > I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 > seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. > However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some > racing was done. > > That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging > terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of > terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. > I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what > maintenance I should consider. > --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? > --Can it be done without removing the mast? > -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? > --What should I expect to pay roughly? > --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, > Va.]? > > Thanks, > > Pete W. > > Siren Song > 1991 30-2 > Deltaville, Va. > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on it]. The 30-2 is a double spreader rig. About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP]. All was reported as OK. I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds]. However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing was done. That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging terminals "re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of terminology is accurate, and if not, at least understood]. I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance I should consider. --Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues? --Can it be done without removing the mast? -- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? --What should I expect to pay roughly? --Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, Va.]? Thanks, Pete W. Siren Song 1991 30-2 Deltaville, Va. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
