Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sure - if someone wants one, or even two, go for it. I just find every C I 
have had to dock or undock so far to be about the easiest single engine boats 
to handle. I get and out of my slip single-handed with little effort.
If you do have to have one, this looks nice: 
http://www.hollandmarineparts.nl/jetthruster You could make it double as an 
emergency bilge pump and have fun squirting bystanders.

Joe
Coquina


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Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

Edd just wants to be able to call out, "Helmsman: maneuvering thrusters to 
leave Spacedock"...   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they 
eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less 
physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of sailors 
who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too.

Bill Bina

On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:
Ed:

I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were crazy when 
we removed the bow thruster (it didn't work anyway).  I can say I never missed 
it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you would expect.  I would 
think a pod hanging down would be worse.  Nevertheless,I just don't see the 
need and I sail in the same area as you.  It sounds strange, but my experience 
has been the tighter the slip the easier it is to get into. There just isn't as 
much room to screw up!  Yes, there has been the rare occasion where it would 
have been helpful coming in.  Leaving a dock it serves no purpose as god 
invented spring lines.  To me, the complexity of the systems, to say nothing of 
the cost, just isn't justified.  I

My opinion would be just say no...

Of course, it's your money and you should spend it however you damn well want 
to.

John

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

That system is a great idea, but I think that many of us would prefer to build 
our own if choosing that sort of system. 
They charge over 4k Euros (6k C$) for the cheapest kit. 
Pretty sure I could source what I would need to construct something functional 
for less money than what they charge. 
With that said, and if you had to pay for a tunnel installation, it is price 
competitive with some of the other systems available. 
I just think that it should sell for less. 

Steve Thomas
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  Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
  Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:19
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters


  Sure - if someone wants one, or even two, go for it. I just find every C I 
have had to dock or undock so far to be about the easiest single engine boats 
to handle. I get and out of my slip single-handed with little effort.

  If you do have to have one, this looks nice: 
http://www.hollandmarineparts.nl/jetthruster You could make it double as an 
emergency bilge pump and have fun squirting bystanders.

   

  Joe 

  Coquina

   

   

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G Street via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:37 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Frederick G Street
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

   

  Edd just wants to be able to call out, "Helmsman: maneuvering thrusters to 
leave Spacedock".   :^)


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

   

On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 

Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they 
eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less 
physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of sailors 
who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too. 

Bill Bina



On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:

  Ed:

   

  I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were 
crazy when we removed the bow thruster (it didn't work anyway).  I can say I 
never missed it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you would 
expect.  I would think a pod hanging down would be worse.  Nevertheless,I just 
don't see the need and I sail in the same area as you.  It sounds strange, but 
my experience has been the tighter the slip the easier it is to get into. There 
just isn't as much room to screw up!  Yes, there has been the rare occasion 
where it would have been helpful coming in.  Leaving a dock it serves no 
purpose as god invented spring lines.  To me, the complexity of the systems, to 
say nothing of the cost, just isn't justified.  I

   

  My opinion would be just say no.

   

  Of course, it's your money and you should spend it however you damn well 
want to.

   

  John

   



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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because 
they eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it 
less physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty 
of sailors who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too.


Bill Bina

On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:

Ed:

I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were 
crazy when we removed the bow thruster (it didn’t work anyway).  I can 
say I never missed it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much 
as you would expect.  I would think a pod hanging down would be worse. 
 Nevertheless,I just don’t see the need and I sail in the same area as 
you.  It sounds strange, but my experience has been the tighter the 
slip the easier it is to get into. There just isn’t as much room to 
screw up!  Yes, there has been the rare occasion where it would have 
been helpful coming in.  Leaving a dock it serves no purpose as god 
invented spring lines.  To me, the complexity of the systems, to say 
nothing of the cost, just isn’t justified.  I


My opinion would be just say no…

Of course, it’s your money and you should spend it however you damn 
well want to.


John



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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Edd just wants to be able to call out, “Helmsman: maneuvering thrusters to 
leave Spacedock”…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they 
> eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less 
> physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of sailors 
> who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:
>> Ed:
>> 
>> I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were crazy 
>> when we removed the bow thruster (it didn’t work anyway).  I can say I never 
>> missed it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you would 
>> expect.  I would think a pod hanging down would be worse.  Nevertheless,I 
>> just don’t see the need and I sail in the same area as you.  It sounds 
>> strange, but my experience has been the tighter the slip the easier it is to 
>> get into. There just isn’t as much room to screw up!  Yes, there has been 
>> the rare occasion where it would have been helpful coming in.  Leaving a 
>> dock it serves no purpose as god invented spring lines.  To me, the 
>> complexity of the systems, to say nothing of the cost, just isn’t justified. 
>>  I
>> 
>> My opinion would be just say no…
>> 
>> Of course, it’s your money and you should spend it however you damn well 
>> want to.
>> 
>> John

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

OK, I had to look up the word ”luddite”. I don’t think anyone is arguing the 
use of machinery here.  It’s a cost/complexity/benefit issue.  Never 
underestimate the impact of complexity.  I’d go on my rant about steering 
systems here but that’s a whole other subject.

John


> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they 
>> eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less 
>> physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of 
>> sailors who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too. 
>> 
>> Bill Bina
>> 
>> On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Ed:
>>> 
>>> I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were crazy 
>>> when we removed the bow thruster (it didn’t work anyway).  I can say I 
>>> never missed it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you would 
>>> expect.  I would think a pod hanging down would be worse.  Nevertheless,I 
>>> just don’t see the need and I sail in the same area as you.  It sounds 
>>> strange, but my experience has been the tighter the slip the easier it is 
>>> to get into. There just isn’t as much room to screw up!  Yes, there has 
>>> been the rare occasion where it would have been helpful coming in.  Leaving 
>>> a dock it serves no purpose as god invented spring lines.  To me, the 
>>> complexity of the systems, to say nothing of the cost, just isn’t 
>>> justified.  I
>>> 
>>> My opinion would be just say no…
>>> 
>>> Of course, it’s your money and you should spend it however you damn well 
>>> want to.
>>> 
>>> John
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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Now if you could add to the existing diverter in that system and also use the 
high pressure pump as a water maker….

Oh never mind, ran out of batteries.

John

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:16 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That system is a great idea, but I think that many of us would prefer to 
> build our own if choosing that sort of system. 
> They charge over 4k Euros (6k C$) for the cheapest kit. 
> Pretty sure I could source what I would need to construct something 
> functional for less money than what they charge. 
> With that said, and if you had to pay for a tunnel installation, it is price 
> competitive with some of the other systems available. 
> I just think that it should sell for less. 
>  
> Steve Thomas
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <mailto:'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'>
>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:19
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters
>> 
>> Sure – if someone wants one, or even two, go for it. I just find every C I 
>> have had to dock or undock so far to be about the easiest single engine 
>> boats to handle. I get and out of my slip single-handed with little effort.
>> If you do have to have one, this looks nice: 
>> http://www.hollandmarineparts.nl/jetthruster 
>> <http://www.hollandmarineparts.nl/jetthruster> You could make it double as 
>> an emergency bilge pump and have fun squirting bystanders.
>>  
>> Joe 
>> Coquina
>>  
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:37 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Frederick G Street
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters
>>  
>> Edd just wants to be able to call out, “Helmsman: maneuvering thrusters to 
>> leave Spacedock”…   :^)
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>  
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Some people retire from sailing, or buy a trawler prematurely, because they 
>>> eschewed equipping their boat with whatever was needed to make it less 
>>> physically demanding to sail. Luddites be damned! There are plenty of 
>>> sailors who will tell you that a GPS and RADAR are wastes of money, too. 
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
>>> On 9/27/2015 2:56 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote:
>>>> Ed:
>>>>  
>>>> I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were crazy 
>>>> when we removed the bow thruster (it didn’t work anyway).  I can say I 
>>>> never missed it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you 
>>>> would expect.  I would think a pod hanging down would be worse.  
>>>> Nevertheless,I just don’t see the need and I sail in the same area as you. 
>>>>  It sounds strange, but my experience has been the tighter the slip the 
>>>> easier it is to get into. There just isn’t as much room to screw up!  Yes, 
>>>> there has been the rare occasion where it would have been helpful coming 
>>>> in.  Leaving a dock it serves no purpose as god invented spring lines.  To 
>>>> me, the complexity of the systems, to say nothing of the cost, just isn’t 
>>>> justified.  I
>>>>  
>>>> My opinion would be just say no…
>>>>  
>>>> Of course, it’s your money and you should spend it however you damn well 
>>>> want to.
>>>>  
>>>> John
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[robert via CnC-List]

Edd,

There is a Beneteau 40 at our club that had one of these 
installed..don't know who did the installation but they didn't do a 
very good job.every Spring I see the owner have someone do 
recaulking between the thruster and hull.


That not with standing, the thing works from what I can observe when it 
is in the water.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-09-27 10:10 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster 
company there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a 
bow thruster "pod" that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a tunnel 
thruster that goes through the hull).


Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, 
wireless control, etc.


Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my 
biggest concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or 
more?



All the best,

Edd

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Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster company 
there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a bow thruster "pod" 
that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a tunnel thruster that goes through 
the hull). 

Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, wireless 
control, etc. 

Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my biggest 
concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or more? 


All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

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C are about the last boats that need bow thrusters IMHO.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina C 35 MK I

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

 

You weakening Edd? Take the money and buy beer!

 

Rich Knowles

Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!





 

On Sep 27, 2015, at 06:10, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Listers,

 

Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster company
there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a bow thruster
"pod" that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a tunnel thruster that goes
through the hull). 

 

Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, wireless
control, etc. 

 

Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my biggest
concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or more? 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,

There's an external bow thruster on a Fortune 30 at our Club. My 
first remark to the Admiral was, "Look at the drag on that thing!"


Any weeds in your area? It also looks like a weed trap. We often go 
through "tide line" o' weeds on the surface around here.


After owning full keeled cruisers for 30 years before getting the C 
I can't imagine needing one. But if you must, how about a stern 
thruster? Less obtrusive and you might be clever enough to make it 
retractable. (Think electric outboard motor on a pivot arm like those 
d'flatable dinghy wheels for haulin' up a beach.)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:10 AM 27/09/2015, you wrote:

Listers,

Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster 
company there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a 
bow thruster "pod" that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a 
tunnel thruster that goes through the hull).


Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, 
wireless control, etc.


Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my 
biggest concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or more?



All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

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You weakening Edd? Take the money and buy beer!

Rich Knowles
Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!





On Sep 27, 2015, at 06:10, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Listers,

Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster company 
there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a bow thruster "pod" 
that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a tunnel thruster that goes through 
the hull). 

Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, wireless 
control, etc. 

Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my biggest 
concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or more? 


All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Bow Thrusters

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Ed:

I sailed/lived aboard a 51 for many years.  Everyone thought we were crazy when 
we removed the bow thruster (it didn’t work anyway).  I can say I never missed 
it.  They do add some drag - probably not as much as you would expect.  I would 
think a pod hanging down would be worse.  Nevertheless,I just don’t see the 
need and I sail in the same area as you.  It sounds strange, but my experience 
has been the tighter the slip the easier it is to get into. There just isn’t as 
much room to screw up!  Yes, there has been the rare occasion where it would 
have been helpful coming in.  Leaving a dock it serves no purpose as god 
invented spring lines.  To me, the complexity of the systems, to say nothing of 
the cost, just isn’t justified.  I

My opinion would be just say no…

Of course, it’s your money and you should spend it however you damn well want 
to.

John

> On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Edd,
> 
> There's an external bow thruster on a Fortune 30 at our Club. My first remark 
> to the Admiral was, "Look at the drag on that thing!"
> 
> Any weeds in your area? It also looks like a weed trap. We often go through 
> "tide line" o' weeds on the surface around here.
> 
> After owning full keeled cruisers for 30 years before getting the C I can't 
> imagine needing one. But if you must, how about a stern thruster? Less 
> obtrusive and you might be clever enough to make it retractable. (Think 
> electric outboard motor on a pivot arm like those d'flatable dinghy wheels 
> for haulin' up a beach.)
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> At 06:10 AM 27/09/2015, you wrote:
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Was at the Norwalk Boat Show yesterday and there was a bow thruster company 
>> there which had a product that looked interesting. It was a bow thruster 
>> "pod" that mounts under the hull (as opposed to a tunnel thruster that goes 
>> through the hull). 
>> 
>> Easier install, can run 5 minutes nonstop without overheating, wireless 
>> control, etc. 
>> 
>> Is anyone using one of these types? Any disadvantages? I guess my biggest 
>> concern is the drag factor -- will it cost me a half knot or more? 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
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