Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

I used these:

https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivet-nuts/=18ph4m5

After my tapped 1/4-20 bolts pulled through the tapped boom on my boat.  
I drilled out the hole, put these in, tightened them up and

re-installed the bolts.  So far so good.


--
Cheers,
Jeff Nelson
Muir Caileag
C 30
Armdale Y.C.
Halifax


On 7/27/2017 10:41 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Bill,

  I would lean towards SS rivets as suggested by Dennis and others. 
You will need to get the
diameter of the hole but also the combined thickness of the fitting 
and mast. Fogh has a good
assortment of the rivets. You can get the compound riveter from 
Princess Auto.


  On the LO300 with all the reaching not having a vang was likely a 
significant problem. Did

you rig a temporary block or anything?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

yes - I was docked a couple of slips away from you at PCYC.


>


> *From: *"Dennis C. via CnC-List" 

>
> I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets.  "Every high load" rivet I
> installed in a mast was stainless coated with TefGel.
>
> However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG
rivet tool
> like a Marson Big Daddy.  They run about $150.
>
> If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with
> stainless.  Is there a rental shop around where you can rent a
Big Daddy?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List
> > wrote:
>
> During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the
> shorter scotch bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at
> the base of the mast. The rivets appear to have sheared off.
> I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am
> curious if anyone has suggestions?
>
> Bill Nickel
>
> "adagio"
>
> 1977 C 30 mk 1



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Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

  I would lean towards SS rivets as suggested by Dennis and others. You will 
need to get the
diameter of the hole but also the combined thickness of the fitting and mast. 
Fogh has a good
assortment of the rivets. You can get the compound riveter from Princess Auto.

  On the LO300 with all the reaching not having a vang was likely a significant 
problem. Did
you rig a temporary block or anything?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

yes - I was docked a couple of slips away from you at PCYC.



>  
> *From: *"Dennis C. via CnC-List"  

> 
> I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets.  "Every high load" rivet I  
> installed in a mast was stainless coated with TefGel. 
> 
> However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG rivet tool  
> like a Marson Big Daddy.  They run about $150. 
> 
> If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with  
> stainless.  Is there a rental shop around where you can rent a Big Daddy? 
> 
> Dennis C. 
> Touche' 35-1 #83 
> Mandeville, LA 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List  
> > wrote: 
> 
>     During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the 
>     shorter scotch bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at 
>     the base of the mast. The rivets appear to have sheared off. 
>     I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am 
>     curious if anyone has suggestions? 
> 
>     Bill Nickel 
> 
>     "adagio" 
> 
>     1977 C 30 mk 1 
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Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

I was going to drop by and ask how the race went...but now I know!

Like Neil, I just installed a Garhauer rigid vang and tapped out holes in
mast (8) and boom (6). Haven't been out in anything more than 18-20 knots
yet, but so far so good.

Drop by anytime and take a look.

Mike
Atacama 33mkii

On Jul 26, 2017 1:34 PM, "Neil Gallagher via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting question,  I just finished putting a vang on my 35-1.  After
> much internal debate, and talking to Garhauer from whom I got the
> fittings,  I went with tapped holes/screw, though drilling 8 holes in my
> mast and 6 in my boom wasn't the most comforting thing to do.  My only
> logic was if the screws rip out, I can always enlarge the holes to take
> rivets
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
>
> On 7/26/2017 12:36 PM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, my Garhauer rigid vang (not hydraulic) on my 30-1
> fastens to the mast and boom with screws - six or eight screws per base
> plate.  I had to use very specific sizes of drill bits and thread taps
> matching the fat deep-threaded screws Garhauer sent me.  It's a solid
> installation and has withstood gusts nearing 40 knots multiple times these
> last two years.  Is tapping and screwing an option for fastening your vang?
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:02:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue
>
> I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets.  "Every high load" rivet I
> installed in a mast was stainless coated with TefGel.
>
> However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG rivet tool
> like a Marson Big Daddy.  They run about $150.
>
> If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with stainless.
> Is there a rental shop around where you can rent a Big Daddy?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the shorter
>> scotch bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at the base of the
>> mast. The rivets appear to have sheared off.
>> I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am curious if
>> anyone has suggestions?
>>
>> Bill Nickel
>>
>> "adagio"
>>
>> 1977 C 30 mk 1
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Interesting question,  I just finished putting a vang on my 35-1. After 
much internal debate, and talking to Garhauer from whom I got the 
fittings,  I went with tapped holes/screw, though drilling 8 holes in my 
mast and 6 in my boom wasn't the most comforting thing to do.  My only 
logic was if the screws rip out, I can always enlarge the holes to take 
rivets


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 7/26/2017 12:36 PM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote:
For what it's worth, my Garhauer rigid vang (not hydraulic) on my 30-1 
fastens to the mast and boom with screws - six or eight screws per 
base plate.  I had to use very specific sizes of drill bits and thread 
taps matching the fat deep-threaded screws Garhauer sent me.  It's a 
solid installation and has withstood gusts nearing 40 knots multiple 
times these last two years.  Is tapping and screwing an option for 
fastening your vang?


Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


*From: *"Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*To: *"CnClist" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc: *"Dennis" <capt...@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:02:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets.  "Every high load" rivet I 
installed in a mast was stainless coated with TefGel.


However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG rivet tool 
like a Marson Big Daddy.  They run about $150.


If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with 
stainless.  Is there a rental shop around where you can rent a Big Daddy?


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the
shorter scotch bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at
the base of the mast. The rivets appear to have sheared off.
I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am
curious if anyone has suggestions?

Bill Nickel

"adagio"

1977 C 30 mk 1


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Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

For what it's worth, my Garhauer rigid vang (not hydraulic) on my 30-1 fastens 
to the mast and boom with screws - six or eight screws per base plate. I had to 
use very specific sizes of drill bits and thread taps matching the fat 
deep-threaded screws Garhauer sent me. It's a solid installation and has 
withstood gusts nearing 40 knots multiple times these last two years. Is 
tapping and screwing an option for fastening your vang? 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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To: "CnClist" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Dennis" <capt...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:02:02 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue 

I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets. "Every high load" rivet I installed in 
a mast was stainless coated with TefGel. 

However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG rivet tool like a 
Marson Big Daddy. They run about $150. 

If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with stainless. Is 
there a rental shop around where you can rent a Big Daddy? 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the shorter scotch 
bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at the base of the mast. The 
rivets appear to have sheared off. 
I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am curious if 
anyone has suggestions? 

Bill Nickel 

"adagio" 

1977 C 30 mk 1 


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Re: Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm guessing they were aluminum rivets.  "Every high load" rivet I
installed in a mast was stainless coated with TefGel.

However, to install larger stainless rivets, you need a BIG rivet tool like
a Marson Big Daddy.  They run about $150.

If it were me, I'd punch out the old rivets and reinstall with stainless.
Is there a rental shop around where you can rent a Big Daddy?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Bill Nickel via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the shorter
> scotch bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at the base of the
> mast. The rivets appear to have sheared off.
> I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am curious if
> anyone has suggestions?
>
> Bill Nickel
>
> "adagio"
>
> 1977 C 30 mk 1
>
>
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Stus-List C 30 boomvang issue

[Bill Nickel via CnC-List]

During my recent "race" in the Lake Ontario 300 (actually the shorter scotch 
bonnet race) my hydraulic boom bang broke off at the base of the mast. The 
rivets appear to have sheared off. 
I have the local boat repair company taking a look, but t I am curious if 
anyone has suggestions?

Bill Nickel

"adagio" 

1977 C 30 mk 1


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