Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker

[Bob Caughran via CnC-List]

Hi John,  
My 29-2 is rigged for symmetric spinnaker. She has a topping lift, down haul, 
and halyard all run aft to the cockpit. Sheet blocks all the way aft attaching 
to the back stay mounting plate (transom corner casting). Snatch blocks mounted 
mid ship.  Sheets run to forward coming winches. 
The downhaul setup has a block attacted to a padeye on deck 1/3 way between 
forward hatch and the bow.  Also four fairleads routing the downhaul up 
starboard side of cabin and terminates next to the companion way hatch with a 
cam cleat. 
Actually works well for cruising. I single hand her fairly often in light air 
flying the chute. If racing, I have the halyard terminate at the mast. 
I can take pictures of any details you'd like next weekend when I'm back down 
on Beemer. 

Bob Caughran
Beemer, 29mkII, 309
Biloxi, MS


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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 7:40 PM, johnr via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have your 29-2 rigged with spinnaker?  If so sym or asym?  Do 
> you have details of choice of rig, rigging and preferences?  Asking more from 
> the standpoint of racing than of cruising.
> 
> John McLaughlin
> Falcon
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Stus-List C Spinnaker

[johnr via CnC-List]

Do any of you have your 29-2 rigged with spinnaker?  If so sym or asym?  Do you 
have details of choice of rig, rigging and preferences?  Asking more from the 
standpoint of racing than of cruising.


John McLaughlin
Falcon
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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Alex

We had a 1974 C designed Paceship P23 a number of years ago and went through 
the same process.  I found a used spinnaker from Atlantic Sail Traders I 
believe quite reasonably.  For the mast we purchased a stationary rig from The 
Binnacle in Halifax 
http://ca.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Spinnaker-Hardware/c28_123/p7595/FORESPAR-PAD-EYE-CURVED-BASE-PE-3SC/product_info.html
 which we attached to mast.  I was lucky in that we had a collapsible whisker 
pole from our former C 36 that I could use for a spinnaker pole.  We attached 
a block outside at top of mast as spin halyard and ran the downhaul to the tack 
area for genoa.  We then managed to use the sail only twice ever before we sold 
the boat that same season.  At least we could fly it

Our friends had a 1974 C 25 “Dry Red”.  They purchased a spinnaker and pole 
from another C owner who had no plans to fly the spinnaker and wanted to 
add a dodger.  Andy installed all the necessary hardware but I believe a lot of 
it was already I place

Good luck

Mike
Persistence



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Subject: Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

Alex,
I own a C 25 and had slowly been acquiring the poles and pieces to fly the 
used symmetric spinnaker I bought several years back.While having a padeye 
on deck for your downhaul may be ideal, I found it easier to use a block 
shackled to the mast step on deck and lead the downhaul to it and back to the 
cockpit.  I do find having a track for the spinnaker pole to be important, 
mostly because I also have a whisker pole for the Genoa for cruising class 
racing or casual shorthanded sailing and the inboard pole height is very 
different (lower) for a 150 genoa that it is for my spinnaker.
At the end of the day, unless you are doing a heck of a lot of dead downwind 
sailing specifically for racing, you may be better served with buying a used 
asymmetric spinnaker that will use a masthead halyard and no other specialized 
poles, fittings or hardware that require more holes in decks and masts 
(generally not the best thing for 30+ year old boats anyway).  Since you’d 
rarely fly an A-Sail along with your Jib, it would also eliminate the need for 
a second set of cockpit winches and the sail would be much easier to deploy 
when shorthanded which means you would use it more.
Best regards,
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1975 mk1

Orion
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

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Subject: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install


Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,

I am going to rig the hardware necessary to fly the chute which came with the 
boat. What I don't have is a fitting on the mast to accommodate a shackle for 
the pole topping lift, a ring or track and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad eye. 
 I am not sure what  fitting and mounting procedure would be best, especially 
for the topping lift fitting.  I am a little reluctant about drilling into the 
mast.



Your help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Alex Wolfe
C 24 Shaka
Miami, FL

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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[Alex Wolfe via CnC-List]

Thanks for all your informative responses.  I have been doing foredeck racing 
on a Tripp 33 for a few years but just got my C 24 this past fall.  I was 
mainly trawling for mounting and hardware details but I have a pretty good idea 
of what is necessary based on the CNC manual.  I don't have the snap shackles 
and snatch blocks set up yet but I am planning to use one of the welded ears at 
the mast head for the spin halyard, probably the port one.  Rick's details 
about mounting the pole lift and the hardware were on the mark. Regarding it 
being an asym,  I will have to lay it out and try to make that determination. I 
just assumed it was a symmetrical. The previous owner said it was a symmetrical 
but he just free flew it once, so maybe he didn't really know.  I do eventually 
want to race once I get things tuned up and make my girlfriend happy with a 
renovated interior for cruising, but an asym would make things a lot easier on 
the cruising end. Thanks for all the help.
Regards,
Alex WolfeShakaC 24Miami, FL___

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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Check out the way it's done on some other boats, really you can get by with
just a ring on the mast for the inboard end of the pole...you will need to
rig a pole topping lift and also have a block on the deck for the downhaul
and separate winches for the sheets (guys)...i loved my triradial spinnaker
when I had my C 24, made Bathsheba really slippery (fast) downwind and
really nice for longer legs...just go looking around until you see
something that might work for you, then play around and find the gear you
need...sounds like this might be your first go with a kite so get some
experienced hands on board to help if you can

Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Alex Wolfe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,
>
> I am going to rig the hardware necessary to fly the chute which came with the 
> boat. What I don't have is a fitting on the mast to accommodate a shackle for 
> the pole topping lift, a ring or track and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad 
> eye.  I am not sure what  fitting and mounting procedure would be best, 
> especially for the topping lift fitting.  I am a little reluctant about 
> drilling into the mast.
>
>
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Wolfe
> C 24 Shaka
> Miami, FL
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Alex,

I own a C 25 and had slowly been acquiring the poles and pieces to fly the 
used symmetric spinnaker I bought several years back.While having a padeye 
on deck for your downhaul may be ideal, I found it easier to use a block 
shackled to the mast step on deck and lead the downhaul to it and back to the 
cockpit.  I do find having a track for the spinnaker pole to be important, 
mostly because I also have a whisker pole for the Genoa for cruising class 
racing or casual shorthanded sailing and the inboard pole height is very 
different (lower) for a 150 genoa that it is for my spinnaker.  

At the end of the day, unless you are doing a heck of a lot of dead downwind 
sailing specifically for racing, you may be better served with buying a used 
asymmetric spinnaker that will use a masthead halyard and no other specialized 
poles, fittings or hardware that require more holes in decks and masts 
(generally not the best thing for 30+ year old boats anyway).  Since you’d 
rarely fly an A-Sail along with your Jib, it would also eliminate the need for 
a second set of cockpit winches and the sail would be much easier to deploy 
when shorthanded which means you would use it more.

Best regards,

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 mk1

 

Orion

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

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Cc: Alex Wolfe <mambome...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

 

Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,
I am going to rig the hardware necessary to fly the chute which came with the 
boat. What I don't have is a fitting on the mast to accommodate a shackle for 
the pole topping lift, a ring or track and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad eye. 
 I am not sure what  fitting and mounting procedure would be best, especially 
for the topping lift fitting.  I am a little reluctant about drilling into the 
mast. 
 
Your help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Alex Wolfe

C 24 Shaka

Miami, FL

 

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Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[Alex Wolfe via CnC-List]

Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,I am going to rig the hardware necessary 
to fly the chute which came with the boat. What I don't have is a fitting on 
the mast to accommodate a shackle for the pole topping lift, a ring or track 
and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad eye.  I am not sure what  fitting and 
mounting procedure would be best, especially for the topping lift fitting.  I 
am a little reluctant about drilling into the mast. 
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
 Thanks,
Alex WolfeC 24 ShakaMiami, FL
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Re: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Alex;

 

The list of stuff you say you need implies that you already have a spinnaker, a 
spin halyard, and a spin pole. Is that correct?

 

Normally a boat with the halyard (which means a mast crane and a block above 
the headstay as well) and pole would already have the padeye for the topping 
lift and the padeye for the downhaul. If you have just the halyard and the 
spinnaker, is there a chance the PO got an asymmetrical spinnaker for the boat? 
For an A-sail – especially when cruising - you really don’t need the other 
stuff.

 

My 25 has a fixed ring on the front of the mast, which is pretty adequate for 
double duty with both spin and whisker poles. The ring is mounted on a curves 
plate and attached to the mast with 4 machine screws tapped into the mast. I 
think they are ¼-20 but they may be fine thread to have less chance of 
stripping the holes in the mast.

 

I have external halyard and topping lift. The spin halyard is lead back to a 
cabin top #10 winch. The topping lift comes down to a cleat on the side of the 
mast.

 

The padeye for my toping lift is held on with 2 machine screws tapped into the 
mast. There is really not much load on the topping lift, just the weight of the 
pole – maybe 30 pounds? The load from controlling the height of the spinnaker 
is all on the downhaul, so proper installation of the padeye on the foredeck is 
important.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:27 PM
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Cc: Alex Wolfe <mambome...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stus-List C Spinnaker Pole Lift install

 

Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,
I am going to rig the hardware necessary to fly the chute which came with the 
boat. What I don't have is a fitting on the mast to accommodate a shackle for 
the pole topping lift, a ring or track and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad eye. 
 I am not sure what  fitting and mounting procedure would be best, especially 
for the topping lift fitting.  I am a little reluctant about drilling into the 
mast. 
 
Your help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Alex Wolfe

C 24 Shaka

Miami, FL

 

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