Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sure – that $6,000 compressor can fill CNG tanks from your home gas line. 
Unless you *really* like CNG, a propane stove would be cheaper. I suspect those 
get sold to people with CNG cars and no filling station nearby.
Joe
Coquina


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If you have a natural gas stove in your home, is it possible to tap into the 
supply line and fill your tank at home? It will have already gone through a 
regulator, so it will be low pressure.
I had CNG in my previous boat.  When I was in Victoria, I dropped the tank off 
at a marine supply store.  They had it filled and back to me within a week.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:

How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039

Dennis C.
On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>
To: cnc-list >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike >
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
If you have a natural gas stove in your home, is it possible to tap into
the supply line and fill your tank at home? It will have already gone
through a regulator, so it will be low pressure.

I had CNG in my previous boat.  When I was in Victoria, I dropped the tank
off at a marine supply store.  They had it filled and back to me within a
week.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How about this?
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039
> 
>
> Dennis C.
> On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place
>> that will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
>> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
>> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
>> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
>> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>>
>>
>> Richard N. Bush
>> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
>> 502-584-7255
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
>> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>>
>> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
>> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
>> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
>> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
>> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
>> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>>
>> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
>> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
>> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
>> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
>> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
>> propane.
>>
>> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
>> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
>> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
>> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
>> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>>
>> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
>> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
>> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
>> endeavor.
>>
>> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
>> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
>> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
>> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
>> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
>> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
>> The alternative would be to drive to the nearest place that exchanges these
>> tanks which I believe is Camden Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and
>> involves transporting gas canisters over an International border …
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>> Persistence
>> Halifax, NS
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
>> CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
>> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
>> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills
>>
>> The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half
>> full. They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
>> You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to
>> the CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other
>> choice is to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
>> Something like THIS is what you need:
>>
>> http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
>>

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
How about this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quincy-240NG-compressor-Natural-Gas-on-skid-/161855848039

Dennis C.
On Jun 23, 2016 8:16 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that
> will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>
> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>
> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
> propane.
>
> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>
> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
> endeavor.
>
> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
> The alternative would be to drive to the nearest place that exchanges these
> tanks which I believe is Camden Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and
> involves transporting gas canisters over an International border …
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills
>
> The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half
> full. They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
> You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to
> the CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other
> choice is to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
> Something like THIS is what you need:
>
> http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
>
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> CNG Stove
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread S Thomas via CnC-List 
Mike, 
 Have you searched for fleet operators that have their own CNC fill 
equipment? One of them might help you out, and there might be one closer than 
Quebec. There was quite a push on CNC vehicles 15 to 20 years ago, and quite a 
few OEM manufacturers at the time including Ford, where I worked at the time. 
There are still NG suppliers who sell conversions and CNG equipment for fleet 
use. The local gas company might tell you if there are any such operations in 
your area. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 09:39
  Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the 
US


  Thanks Joe, Richard

   

  The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do 
not have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place 
to visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

   

  I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

   

  The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

   

  Mike

   

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Barba, Joe via CnC-List
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
  Cc: Della Barba, Joe
  Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the 
US

   

  If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!

  Joe

  Coquina

  C 35 MK I with CNG stove

   
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
http://www.c34.org/projects/projects-cng-refill-adapter.html

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:52 AM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US


You could always convert to diesel stove/oven/cabin heater.

http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=56

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 23, 2016 9:40 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

From: CnC-List 
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Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I with CNG stove


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>
To: cnc-list >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike >
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
You could always convert to diesel stove/oven/cabin heater.

http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=56

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 23, 2016 9:40 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Thanks Joe, Richard
>
>
>
> The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do
> not have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice
> place to visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year
> (another topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the
> idea of getting a filling station locally though …
>
>
>
> I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru
> local sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end
> but we should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then
> rather than asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane)
> and have filled someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are
> businesses that handle methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with
> the left hand thread.  I am guessing that converting boat to accept a more
> standard fitting and purchasing a tank with that fitting may lead to more
> success.
>
>
>
> The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our
> cooking appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:26 AM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
> OR the US
>
>
>
> If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make
> a filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I with CNG stove
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Richard N. Bush via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Richard N. Bush
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
> OR the US
>
>
>
> Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that
> will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would
> require shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it
> shipped back to menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into
> converting and it is a bout a $2000 project...
> anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
> Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
>
> We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.
> The cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a
> number of other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas
> (CNG).  We have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that
> supplies large CNG bottles to commercial customers where they do not have
> pipes to supply natural gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
>
>
>
> I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there)
> the CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC
> so have no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to
> be certified in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them
> refilled.  One option is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for
> propane.
>
>
>
> The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I
> do not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require
> one.  My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit,
> modify the gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.
> Refilling the tanks is a much more attractive option.
>
>
>
> I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I
> also have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed
> to find one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long
> endeavor.
>
>
>
> I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new
> tank of the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It
> must also be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business
> thru one of our regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or
> Air Liquide.  Does anyone on this list have experience with where to
> purchase these tanks with the appropriate valves and who would fill them?
> The alternative would be to drive to

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sorry … I meant (methane?).  Some of the people I have dealt with here refered 
to it as methane when trying to get my tank certified.  I believe it may 
actually be a mixture that has a lot of methane in it

I am hoping to get all of the actual specifications for my tank when I pick it 
up today.  That way I can email businesses asking for the cost of a new tank 
with those specifications, valves, etc …  I can email other businesses asking 
if they can supply the specific gas at specific pressure in the specified tank. 
 I am hoping that it is as simple as dropping off a tank in the spring and 
having the tank/gas company ship it to wherever their depot is and then picking 
it up in a week or so filled.

Mike



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Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

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If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I with CNG stove


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Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to

Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Thanks Joe, Richard

The nearest car filling station  to Halifax is in Montreal.  At least I do not 
have to transport across an international border.  Montreal is a nice place to 
visit as well except that hockey ended there in February this year (another 
topic).  I have heard that our local gas company is exploring the idea of 
getting a filling station locally though …

I believe that these are tanks that should be able to be ordered thru local 
sources.  It may be that we need to change the fittings on boat end but we 
should be able to purchase a tank (even if special order) and then rather than 
asking for CNG we could specify the actual gas name (methane) and have filled 
someplace local.  The two issues I have been finding are businesses that handle 
methane gas (or CNG) and the CGA 350 adaptor with the left hand thread.  I am 
guessing that converting boat to accept a more standard fitting and purchasing 
a tank with that fitting may lead to more success.

The one option I do not consider realistic is limiting the use of our cooking 
appliances.  Why limit the enjoyment of our boats?

Mike

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Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I with CNG stove


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Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
If you have a CNG filling station for cars, you can buy the pieces to make a 
filling adapter and spend about $2 per fill after that!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I with CNG stove


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Subject: Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that will 
attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada
We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.

I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.

The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.

I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.

I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …

Thanks

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/


Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
CNG Stove
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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

2016-06-23 Thread Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 

 Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that 
will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada



We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
 
I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.
 
The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.
 
I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.
 
I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …
 
Thanks
 
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 

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To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

 
The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!  
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
 
 
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
CNG Stove

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