Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
The thing that convinces me that it is either the battery itself or resistance in the wiring somewhere is the fact that he gets quick starts and fast cranking as soon as he switches in the house battery. That doesn't mean that the starter is perfect either, but it just doesn't sound like the main source of the problem to me. Steve - Original Message - From: Knowles Rich via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:58 Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Also suggest hauling the starter motor and get it checked out. They don't live forever. RK On May 26, 2015, at 08:50, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If everything is good, then this battery can crank that engine without breaking a sweat, even if the engine does not start easily and has to crank for a bit. New connections are not automatically good connections. Check resistance at every connection involved, and also measure voltage drop at the starter when being cranked. It is also possible for a battery to have one bad cell that will take a surface charge and make the battery look good until you put a load on it. Harbor Freight has load testers for not a lot of money. You could also take the battery to most places that sell batteries for a free load test. Bill Bina On 5/26/2015 11:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Steve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Joel, I have the challenge that statement. When over 13 volts, the battery is in a charging state — power is being put into the battery from an alternator or external charging source. See this chart: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sjQa85Sqkts/UOiBZ_ESsXI/A1Y/kRSbJIGLZ7M/s403/12vbattery.png https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sjQa85Sqkts/UOiBZ_ESsXI/A1Y/kRSbJIGLZ7M/s403/12vbattery.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 12.7 volts in not fully charged. Should be 13.6. Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
12.7 is fully charged. 13.6 is a battery under charge. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 26, 2015, at 08:28, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 12.7 volts in not fully charged. Should be 13.6. Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:08 Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Josh, When just the T-1275 is engaged, it’s a slow to no churning. When I combine with the House Bank, she’ll start up. I know the specs of the engine and the T-1275 say it should work, but the numbers are close and, perhaps if the engine was new or in perfect condition it would, but the amps just aren’t there to get it going. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What makes tou think you don't have enough juice? What are your syptoms? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
If everything is good, then this battery can crank that engine without breaking a sweat, even if the engine does not start easily and has to crank for a bit. New connections are not automatically good connections. Check resistance at every connection involved, and also measure voltage drop at the starter when being cranked. It is also possible for a battery to have one bad cell that will take a surface charge and make the battery look good until you put a load on it. Harbor Freight has load testers for not a lot of money. You could also take the battery to most places that sell batteries for a free load test. Bill Bina On 5/26/2015 11:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Steve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Also: A trojan T1275 is a deep cycle battery, according their website, and may not be capable of delivering the full power required to start a recalcitrant engine. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 26, 2015, at 08:40, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joel, I have the challenge that statement. When over 13 volts, the battery is in a charging state — power is being put into the battery from an alternator or external charging source. See this chart: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sjQa85Sqkts/UOiBZ_ESsXI/A1Y/kRSbJIGLZ7M/s403/12vbattery.png https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sjQa85Sqkts/UOiBZ_ESsXI/A1Y/kRSbJIGLZ7M/s403/12vbattery.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ PastedGraphic-1.tiff On May 26, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 12.7 volts in not fully charged. Should be 13.6. Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
I stand corrected! Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Also: A trojan T1275 is a deep cycle battery, according their website, and may not be capable of delivering the full power required to start a recalcitrant engine. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 26, 2015, at 08:40, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joel, I have the challenge that statement. When over 13 volts, the battery is in a charging state — power is being put into the battery from an alternator or external charging source. See this chart: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sjQa85Sqkts/UOiBZ_ESsXI/A1Y/kRSbJIGLZ7M/s403/12vbattery.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ PastedGraphic-1.tiff On May 26, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 12.7 volts in not fully charged. Should be 13.6. Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Edd, I am not trying to say that you did not check it already, but... Last year, when I installed my batteries after the winter, one of them read only 7 V (when measured at the panel). I though that it gave up the ghost (it is about 5 years old), but it turned out that this was the connection between the battery terminal and the wire. If I did not see it with my own eyes, I would not believe that it is possible. So it might be worthwhile to re-check all the connections between the battery and the starter motor. just a thought Marek From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start The thing that convinces me that it is either the battery itself or resistance in the wiring somewhere is the fact that he gets quick starts and fast cranking as soon as he switches in the house battery. That doesn't mean that the starter is perfect either, but it just doesn't sound like the main source of the problem to me. Steve - Original Message - From: Knowles Rich via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:58 Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Also suggest hauling the starter motor and get it checked out. They don't live forever. RK On May 26, 2015, at 08:50, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If everything is good, then this battery can crank that engine without breaking a sweat, even if the engine does not start easily and has to crank for a bit. New connections are not automatically good connections. Check resistance at every connection involved, and also measure voltage drop at the starter when being cranked. It is also possible for a battery to have one bad cell that will take a surface charge and make the battery look good until you put a load on it. Harbor Freight has load testers for not a lot of money. You could also take the battery to most places that sell batteries for a free load test. Bill Bina On 5/26/2015 11:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Steve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Edd, the installation manual for my M35B tells me to size the battery cables for a maximum cranking current of 175 amps. I suspect the problem is not your new Trojan battery. As someone else suggested, more glow plug time may be in order. For me 10-15 seconds of glow plugs (which also operates the lift pump to charge the fuel injection, BTW) gets the engine started with only 5-10 seconds of cranking. You might also want to check your glow plug relay to see if that is functioning properly. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start All, Did a bunch of tests this weekend and took one lister’s advice to burn off some carbon buildup. In the end, it appears my new Trojan T-1275 starting battery, despite what the numbers say, isn’t pushing out enough juice to get the 25 year-old Universal cranking, even at a full charge (12.7 volts). So, it looks like I should supplement my starting bank. I just have to find a spot on the boat to put it. Thanks to all. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 25, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. Continue to hold glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com mailto:e...@schillay.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Rick, It is time for u to write that book. Lets go sailing and talk ant the outline... Miss u, K Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Date: Tue, May 26, 2015 3:48 PM Edd, the installation manual for my M35B tells me to size the battery cables for a maximum cranking current of 175 amps. I suspect the problem is not your new Trojan battery. As someone else suggested, more glow plug time may be in order. For me 10-15 seconds of glow plugs (which also operates the lift pump to charge the fuel injection, BTW) gets the engine started with only 5-10 seconds of cranking. You might also want to check your glow plug relay to see if that is functioning properly. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start All, Did a bunch of tests this weekend and took one lister’s advice to burn off some carbon buildup. In the end, it appears my new Trojan T-1275 starting battery, despite what the numbers say, isn’t pushing out enough juice to get the 25 year-old Universal cranking, even at a full charge (12.7 volts). So, it looks like I should supplement my starting bank. I just have to find a spot on the boat to put it. Thanks to all. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 25, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. Continue to hold glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com mailto:e...@schillay.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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All, Did a bunch of tests this weekend and took one lister’s advice to burn off some carbon buildup. In the end, it appears my new Trojan T-1275 starting battery, despite what the numbers say, isn’t pushing out enough juice to get the 25 year-old Universal cranking, even at a full charge (12.7 volts). So, it looks like I should supplement my starting bank. I just have to find a spot on the boat to put it. Thanks to all. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 25, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. Continue to hold glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Josh, When just the T-1275 is engaged, it’s a slow to no churning. When I combine with the House Bank, she’ll start up. I know the specs of the engine and the T-1275 say it should work, but the numbers are close and, perhaps if the engine was new or in perfect condition it would, but the amps just aren’t there to get it going. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What makes tou think you don't have enough juice? What are your syptoms? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: CC List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:08 Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Josh, When just the T-1275 is engaged, it’s a slow to no churning. When I combine with the House Bank, she’ll start up. I know the specs of the engine and the T-1275 say it should work, but the numbers are close and, perhaps if the engine was new or in perfect condition it would, but the amps just aren’t there to get it going. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What makes tou think you don't have enough juice? What are your syptoms? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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What makes tou think you don't have enough juice? What are your syptoms? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On May 26, 2015 9:51 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, Did a bunch of tests this weekend and took one lister’s advice to burn off some carbon buildup. In the end, it appears my new Trojan T-1275 starting battery, despite what the numbers say, isn’t pushing out enough juice to get the 25 year-old Universal cranking, even at a full charge (12.7 volts). So, it looks like I should supplement my starting bank. I just have to find a spot on the boat to put it. Thanks to all. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 25, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. *Continue to hold* glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM *Subject: *Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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12.7 volts in not fully charged. Should be 13.6. Joel On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:08 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Josh, When just the T-1275 is engaged, it’s a slow to no churning. When I combine with the House Bank, she’ll start up. I know the specs of the engine and the T-1275 say it should work, but the numbers are close and, perhaps if the engine was new or in perfect condition it would, but the amps just aren’t there to get it going. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What makes tou think you don't have enough juice? What are your syptoms? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Steve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd,It looks like you have a deep cycle battery. For engine starting you want a starting battery. They are measured in CCA cold cranking amps. The plates are thinner to allow a higher amp draw. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Date: Tue, May 26, 2015 08:35To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Edd Schillay;Subject:Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to StartSteve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseCC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve ThomasCC27 MKIIIPort Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Also suggest hauling the starter motor and get it checked out. They don't live forever. RK On May 26, 2015, at 08:50, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If everything is good, then this battery can crank that engine without breaking a sweat, even if the engine does not start easily and has to crank for a bit. New connections are not automatically good connections. Check resistance at every connection involved, and also measure voltage drop at the starter when being cranked. It is also possible for a battery to have one bad cell that will take a surface charge and make the battery look good until you put a load on it. Harbor Freight has load testers for not a lot of money. You could also take the battery to most places that sell batteries for a free load test. Bill Bina On 5/26/2015 11:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Steve, That’s where I’m confused, to be honest — the spec sheet on the T-1275 is here: http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T1275_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf And, according to Josh, the engine can pull up to 175amps while starting. When I combine, there’s enough there. All my connections are sound — they’re all new. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, From what you are saying, it sounds like either your T-1275 has failed for some reason, or you have a bad connection - possibly in the battery switch itself. If you don't have a way to test the battery, then substitute a known good battery in its place and see what happens. Absolutely any car battery, including the cheapest Walmart, will start your engine if the battery is fully charged and in new condition. There is no way that you need to consider paralleling starting batteries as a permanent solution to your starting problem. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on *From:* Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM *To:* Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; 1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) *From: *Jim Watts via CnC-List *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM *To: *1 CnC List *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *Jim Watts *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) *From: *S Thomas via CnC-List *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *S Thomas *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 *Subject:* Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http
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Edd, What engine do you have? Mine is a universal and the glow plug(s) wire was loose causing longer than normal starting times and a little smoke on start up. Tightened the wire on the switch and all is normal. Good luck, Len Mitchell Crazy Legs 1989 37+ Sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My experience with synthetics (not with diesels, though) is that if you use it from start, that’s great, but if you try using the synthetics on an older engine, you are quite likely going to dissolve some of the deposits already there and suddenly, you may find that you are burning or losing the oil (some seals don’t seal as they used to). Not to mention that our engines are never really stressed enough to justify the higher cost. And most of us don’t try starting these engines in subfreezing temperatures. So the extra temperature range that synthetics offer don’t buy us much. But I am not the expert on oils. Marek From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo
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Edd, I agree with Steve and Marek. Synthetic oil is a waste in our boats. That being said the enginrs do require to be run at cruise power 75% of max rpm for about an hour at least once a month if it is used for weekend sailing. I had to replace my injectors because the PO always ran the engine too slow. He was saving the engine. Our boats have converted tractor engines, which are designed to operate at 75% max speed all day long. I run my 3qm30 at 2k to 2100 with over 3k hours no smoke or starting issues. I hope this helps some. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-ListDate: Mon, May 25, 2015 09:13To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Marek Dziedzic;Subject:Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to StartMy experience with synthetics (not with diesels, though) is that if you use it from start, that’s great, but if you try using the synthetics on an older engine, you are quite likely going to dissolve some of the deposits already there and suddenly, you may find that you are burning or losing the oil (some seals don’t seal as they used to). Not to mention that our engines are never really stressed enough to justify the higher cost. And most of us don’t try starting these engines in subfreezing temperatures. So the extra temperature range that synthetics offer don’t buy us much. But I am not the expert on oils. Marek From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels?Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, OrOn May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-)From: Jim Watts via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PMTo: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Jim WattsSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve ThomasCC27 MKIIIPort Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder
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most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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(Disclaimer -no expert! )I use synthetic in my diesel car and truck, and would on the boat as well if not for the way that moisture tends to accumulate due to the way we use them. The very short runs encourage condensation, so it of course gets changed every fall like most everyone does. It seems like synthetic would be a waste. So I use Rotella on the boat. Bill Coleman CC39Cannon Beach, OR! Original message From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 05/25/2015 8:03 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard fshazz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list
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I’m feeling lucky after my call on the bad engine ground leading to starting issues… :^) Maybe time to get the valves checked? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 24, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Fred, I run synthetic diesel oil in my Suburban, but not in my Yanmar. The last I read from Yanmar was to continue using conventional oil. I prefer Rotella T 15W-40. Good stuff! Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. Continue to hold glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam:-)From: S Thomas via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: S ThomasSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run.Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines.Maybe it isclimate dependent, but that has been my experience limited thoughthat may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is "get the jib out." All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) *From: *S Thomas via CnC-List *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *S Thomas *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 *Subject:* Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam:-)From: Jim Watts via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PMTo: 1 CnC ListReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Jim WattsSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to StartIt's black. Jim WattsParadigm ShiftCC 35 Mk IIIVictoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam:-)From: S Thomas via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: S ThomasSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run.Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines.Maybe it isclimate dependent, but that has been my experience limited thoughthat may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is "get the jib out." All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
