Stus-List : Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[robert via CnC-List]

We bent a spin pole on a C 33 MKII a day before the start of Chester 
Race Weekcalled the Binnacle who said bring the bent pole and they 
would have us a new one in two hours or less...they cannibalized it and 
only really needed a new tube, which they had. We were ready to go in 1 
1/2 hours.


Now if that had been carbon fibre, we would not have raced in Chester in 
our class.maybe cruiser class, white sail only, no spin.




On 2019-04-03 3:20 p.m., Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
One other thing to keep in mind: if you do damage a pole, and it’s 
carbon fiber, it’s going to be a pricey fix.  With aluminum, you can 
usually remove and reuse the end fittings and get new tubing; or if 
the damage is near an end fitting, cut the damaged tubing off and 
reinstall the end fitting on a shorter, but still usable, pole.


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Andy; I liked your article; would you advise pro or con on the cost of using a 
carbon fiber whisker pole? Thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 10:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

Here's a short piece I wrote on how to rig and set a pole. It really isn't too 
big a chore, if you do it 
right.https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole
Andy

Andrew Burton139 Tuckerman AveMiddletown, RI USA    02842
www.burtonsailing.comhttp://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401
 965-5260
On Apr 2, 2019, at 09:33, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:



I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole.  I 
bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and I 
can store it vertically attached at the mast end.  I don’t think I could 
maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat 
downwind.  I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even 
on firm ground.  The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths 
depending on conditions.  
Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the 
other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I have not done 
that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect sail shape as the 
weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the leech 
of the sail.  I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone has 
thoughts.  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List  
wrote:
Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J 
and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a 
run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to 
complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and 
pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather 
Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the 
mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List  
wrote:

If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of 
this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light 
airs.  

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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Not 
much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered inmeeting 
notes from 2008 and 2009.

WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
lengths.
2009 Spring Meeting.
https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting
It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
documentation but Ido not see any.

Michael BrownWindburnC 30-1





Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + 
From: "Hoyt, Mike"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  


Michael 

Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered 
to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look in a 
definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are

Mike 
Persistence 
Halifax, NS 

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Agreed on the topping lift, I use a spinnaker halyard since the end of 
the whisker pole is farther outboard than the spinnaker pole, slightly 
less inward pull on the pole but probably doesn't make too much 
difference.  The topping lift allows better control of the sail, IMHO, 
especially in light air, you can take the weight off the sail and 
control its shape.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 4/2/2019 9:48 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
I have both a spin pole and a whisker pole.  We use the whisker for 
main and jib races, and it is superior for the reasons you stated.  We 
use a topping lift.  We have also used a down haul in heavy stuff 
(after the chute comes down due to too much breeze/wave action).  As 
issue we have encountered is getting the sheet out from the pole end 
in the heavy stuff.

*From:* David Knecht via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2019 9:33 AM
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*Cc:* David Knecht <mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker 
pole.  I bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the 
spinnaker pole and I can store it vertically attached at the mast 
end.  I don’t think I could maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by 
myself on the unstable deck of a boat downwind.  I don’t trust my 
balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even on firm ground. The 
whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths depending on 
conditions.
Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole 
use the other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I 
have not done that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect 
sail shape as the weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might 
alter the shape of the leech of the sail.  I will play when I can sail 
again, but wonder if anyone has thoughts.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Here's a short piece I wrote on how to rig and set a pole. It really isn't too 
big a chore, if you do it right.
https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Apr 2, 2019, at 09:33, David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole.  I 
> bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and 
> I can store it vertically attached at the mast end.  I don’t think I could 
> maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat 
> downwind.  I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even 
> on firm ground.  The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths 
> depending on conditions.  
> 
> Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the 
> other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I have not done 
> that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect sail shape as the 
> weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the 
> leech of the sail.  I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone 
> has thoughts.  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than 
>> J and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on 
>> a run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to 
>> complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift 
>> and pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to 
>> weather Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental 
>> jibe of the mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>> If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification 
>>> of this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in 
>>> light airs.   
>>> 
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>>> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Michael Brown 
>>> via CnC-List 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM
>>> 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Michael Brown
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
>>>  
>>> Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
>>> meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.
>>> 
>>> WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
>>> lengths.
>>> 
>>> 2009 Spring Meeting.
>>> 
>>> https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting
>>> 
>>> It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
>>> documentation but I
>>> do not see any.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Brown
>>> Windburn
>>> C 30-1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + 
>>> From: "Hoyt, Mike"  
>>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael 
>>> 
>>> Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is 
>>> considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to 
>>> look in a definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved 
>>> with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding 
>>> of how most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have 
>>> separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted 
>>> to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those 
>>> are 
>>> 
>>> Mike 
>>> Persistence 
>>> Halifax, NS 
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I have both a spin pole and a whisker pole.  We use the whisker for main and 
jib races, and it is superior for the reasons you stated.  We use a topping 
lift.  We have also used a down haul in heavy stuff (after the chute comes down 
due to too much breeze/wave action).  As issue we have encountered is getting 
the sheet out from the pole end in the heavy stuff.  

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 9:33 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole.  I 
bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and I 
can store it vertically attached at the mast end.  I don’t think I could 
maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat 
downwind.  I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even 
on firm ground.  The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths 
depending on conditions.   

Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the 
other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I have not done 
that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect sail shape as the 
weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the leech 
of the sail.  I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone has 
thoughts.  Dave 

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

 

  On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J 
and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a 
run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to 
complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and 
pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather 
Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the 
mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard

  On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List  
wrote:

If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification 
of this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light 
airs.   


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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Michael Brown 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height 

Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.


WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
lengths.

2009 Spring Meeting.


https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting

It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
documentation but I
do not see any.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1






  Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + 
  From: "Hoyt, Mike"  
  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  


  Michael 

  Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is 
considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look 
in a definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are 

  Mike 
  Persistence 
  Halifax, NS 

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole.  I 
bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and I 
can store it vertically attached at the mast end.  I don’t think I could 
maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat 
downwind.  I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even 
on firm ground.  The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths 
depending on conditions.  

Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the 
other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I have not done 
that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect sail shape as the 
weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the leech 
of the sail.  I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone has 
thoughts.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J 
> and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a 
> run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to 
> complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and 
> pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather 
> Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the 
> mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard
> 
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of 
> this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light 
> airs.   
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
> From: CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Michael Brown via 
> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM
> 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Michael Brown
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
>  
> Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
> meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.
> 
> WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
> lengths.
> 
> 2009 Spring Meeting.
> 
> https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting
>  
> <https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting>
> 
> It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
> documentation but I
> do not see any.
> 
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + 
> From: "Hoyt, Mike" mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>> 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> 
> 
> Michael 
> 
> Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is 
> considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to 
> look in a definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
> handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
> most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
> limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
> than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are 
> 
> Mike 
> Persistence 
> Halifax, NS 
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than
J and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration
on a run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes
to complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping
lift and pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa
to weather Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental
jibe of the mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification
> of this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in
> light airs.
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Michael
> Brown via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Michael Brown
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
>
> Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
> meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.
>
> *WPL penalty –* There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker
> Pole lengths.
>
> 2009 Spring Meeting.
>
>
> https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting
>
> It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current
> documentation but I
> do not see any.
>
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 +
> From: "Hoyt, Mike" 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>
>
> Michael
>
> Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is
> considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to
> look in a definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved
> with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding
> of how most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have
> separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted
> to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those
> are
>
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[David via CnC-List]

If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of 
this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light 
airs.

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Michael Brown via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.

WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
lengths.

2009 Spring Meeting.

https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting

It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
documentation but I
do not see any.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 +
From: "Hoyt, Mike" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 


Michael

Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered 
to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look in a 
definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.



WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
lengths.


2009 Spring Meeting.


https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting


It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
documentation but I
do not see any.



Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1





Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + 
From: "Hoyt, Mike"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  

 
Michael 
 
Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered 
to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look in a 
definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are 
 
Mike 
Persistence 
Halifax, NS 
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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Michael

Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered 
to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look in a 
definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J … I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 7:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating adjustment for 
whisker pole length.  I picked
up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 30' boat.

In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the wind works as 
well as anything else I have tried.
That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.

At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the wind flows 
around it as opposed to
it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more perpendicular 
to the wind, usually the
inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A bit like 
trimming a spinnaker.

Forespar has a diagram here:

https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf

Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means adjusting the 
inboard end to get enough
down pressure.

For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light air and 
about 18' in moderate air.
In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized and I take 
a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM
Cc: David Knecht 



We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no idea.  
Any general rules of thumb?



Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
-spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

If you are racing under PHRF it is best to check the rating instructions 
for your region.  Below are the regions I race in:


In PHRF-NB (Narragansett Bay) the instruction states:
    REPORTABLE ITEMS OR MODIFICATIONS:
        R6) Rig modifications such as, but not limited to:
            b. spinnaker/whisker poles exceeding 101% of the J dimension.
            (this means you get penalized if a whisker pole exceeds the 
J by a variable amount depending on how long the pole is)


For ECSA PHRF  (Eastern Connecticut) the instruction states:
    REPORTABLE ITEMS OR MODIFICATIONS:
        Whisker Poles - Whisker poles must be declared, but there is no 
whisker pole length (WPL) limit


For PHRF-NE  (New England) the handicap instruction states:
    8.11 The standard class handicap for a yacht of a particular design 
assumes the following equipment, unless the yacht is handicapped in a 
one-design configuration:
        3. spinnaker pole (SPL) the same length as J; whisker poles 
shall be the same length as J;


And further the Racing Rules address outriggers (which are Spinnaker and 
Whisker poles) as:


50.3. Use of Outriggers
a. No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as 
permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting or 
other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on a sheet 
or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a vertical line 
would fall outside the hull or deck. For the purpose of this rule, 
bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not part of the hull or deck and 
the following are not outriggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of 
a sail, a bumkin used to sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed 
headsail that requires no adjustment when tacking.
b. Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly used 
for a sail and is permanently attached to the mast from which the head 
of the sail is set.
c. A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole 
or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set.


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 3/21/2019 9:50 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I checked our rules and there is no limitation on whisker pole length 
in our region.  Dave



On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating 
adjustment for whisker pole length.  I picked
up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 
30' boat.


In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the 
wind works as well as anything else I have tried.

That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.

At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the 
wind flows around it as opposed to
it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more 
perpendicular to the wind, usually the
inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A 
bit like trimming a spinnaker.


Forespar has a diagram here:

https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf

Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means 
adjusting the inboard end to get enough

down pressure.

For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light 
air and about 18' in moderate air.
In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized 
and I take a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>



We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an
extendable whisker pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal
settings for pole height and length.   I suspect it is sometimes
suboptimal because I have noticed some boats able to carry the
genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have achieved.
 Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the
sail to some extent but I suspect it is more complicated than
that.  Height I have no idea.  Any general rules of thumb?



Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG
downwind apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those
numbers +spinnaker, -spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on
wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I checked our rules and there is no limitation on whisker pole length in our 
region.  Dave


> On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating adjustment for 
> whisker pole length.  I picked
> up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 30' boat.
> 
> In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the wind works 
> as well as anything else I have tried.
> That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.
> 
> At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the wind 
> flows around it as opposed to
> it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more 
> perpendicular to the wind, usually the
> inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A bit 
> like trimming a spinnaker.
> 
> Forespar has a diagram here:
> 
> https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf
> 
> Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means adjusting the 
> inboard end to get enough
> down pressure.
> 
> For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light air and 
> about 18' in moderate air.
> In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized and I 
> take a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM 
> Cc: David Knecht  
> 
> 
> 
> We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
> pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
> length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
> boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
> achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
> apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
> extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no 
> idea.  Any general rules of thumb? 
> 
> 
> 
> Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
> apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
> -spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- 
> Dave 
> 
>   
> 
> S/V Aries 
> 
> 1990 C 34+ 
> 
> New London, CT 
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[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating adjustment for 
whisker pole length.  I picked
up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 30' boat.


In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the wind works as 
well as anything else I have tried.
That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.


At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the wind flows 
around it as opposed to
it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more perpendicular 
to the wind, usually the
inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A bit like 
trimming a spinnaker.


Forespar has a diagram here:


https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf


Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means adjusting the 
inboard end to get enough
down pressure.


For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light air and 
about 18' in moderate air.
In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized and I take 
a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM 
Cc: David Knecht  

  
 
We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no idea.  
Any general rules of thumb? 
 
  
 
 Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
-spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave 
 
    
 
S/V Aries 
 
1990 C 34+ 
 
New London, CT 
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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

PHRF limits spin pole length to J for rating.  Local clubs may allow longer 
pole in non-serious racing, but they should be consulted before you get 
protested by a competitor for using a pole longer than J.  


Chuck, Resolute, 1990 C 34R




Lake Michigan phrf limits whisker pole to J...
Bill Walker
Pentwater, 
C 36

Bill Walker



 

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> LP is 21’ on my boat and the pole is 12-18’ so this should be a 
> non-issue.  I don’t remember seeing a rule on this in Sailing Instructions 
> but will check.   Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
> > > On Mar 20, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > Limiting to LP makes more sense.  My association's bylaws are moot 
> > on whisker poles.  
> > 
> > However, I sometimes see whisker poles limited to J in sailing 
> > instructions for a particular regatta.  If you're flying a 155 then the 
> > sail won't be fully extended and will flop around.  Been there, done that, 
> > hate it.
> > 
> > For a 35-1, the difference between J and LP (at 155% genoa) is 
> > nearly 8 feet (22.5 vs 14,5)!
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List < 
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Not sure about other areas, but in my area (Western LIS) 
> > PHRF limits the
> > > whisker pole length to LP without time adjustment.  If you 
> > > use a
> > > J-length spinnaker pole as a whisker pole in non-spinnaker 
> > > events, then
> > > you get a 3 sec credit.  And you do need a band on the 
> > > whisker pole if
> > > it's extendable.
> > > 
> > > Neil Gallagher
> > > Weatherly 35-1
> > > Glen Cove, Y
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Lake Michigan phrf limits whisker pole to J...
Bill Walker 
Pentwater, No
C 36

Bill Walker 
On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:
LP is 21’ on my boat and the pole is 12-18’ so this should be a non-issue.  I 
don’t remember seeing a rule on this in Sailing Instructions but will check.   
Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


On Mar 20, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:
Limiting to LP makes more sense.  My association's bylaws are moot on whisker 
poles.  
However, I sometimes see whisker poles limited to J in sailing instructions for 
a particular regatta.  If you're flying a 155 then the sail won't be fully 
extended and will flop around.  Been there, done that, hate it.
For a 35-1, the difference between J and LP (at 155% genoa) is nearly 8 feet 
(22.5 vs 14,5)!

Dennis C.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Not sure about other areas, but in my area (Western LIS) PHRF limits the 
whisker pole length to LP without time adjustment.  If you use a 
J-length spinnaker pole as a whisker pole in non-spinnaker events, then 
you get a 3 sec credit.  And you do need a band on the whisker pole if 
it's extendable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, Y




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LP is 21’ on my boat and the pole is 12-18’ so this should be a non-issue.  I 
don’t remember seeing a rule on this in Sailing Instructions but will check.   
Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 20, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Limiting to LP makes more sense.  My association's bylaws are moot on whisker 
> poles.  
> 
> However, I sometimes see whisker poles limited to J in sailing instructions 
> for a particular regatta.  If you're flying a 155 then the sail won't be 
> fully extended and will flop around.  Been there, done that, hate it.
> 
> For a 35-1, the difference between J and LP (at 155% genoa) is nearly 8 feet 
> (22.5 vs 14,5)!
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Not sure about other areas, but in my area (Western LIS) PHRF limits the 
> whisker pole length to LP without time adjustment.  If you use a 
> J-length spinnaker pole as a whisker pole in non-spinnaker events, then 
> you get a 3 sec credit.  And you do need a band on the whisker pole if 
> it's extendable.
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, Y
> 
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Limiting to LP makes more sense.  My association's bylaws are moot on
whisker poles.

However, I sometimes see whisker poles limited to J in sailing instructions
for a particular regatta.  If you're flying a 155 then the sail won't be
fully extended and will flop around.  Been there, done that, hate it.

For a 35-1, the difference between J and LP (at 155% genoa) is nearly 8
feet (22.5 vs 14,5)!

Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Not sure about other areas, but in my area (Western LIS) PHRF limits the
> whisker pole length to LP without time adjustment.  If you use a
> J-length spinnaker pole as a whisker pole in non-spinnaker events, then
> you get a 3 sec credit.  And you do need a band on the whisker pole if
> it's extendable.
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, Y
>
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Not sure about other areas, but in my area (Western LIS) PHRF limits the 
whisker pole length to LP without time adjustment.  If you use a 
J-length spinnaker pole as a whisker pole in non-spinnaker events, then 
you get a 3 sec credit.  And you do need a band on the whisker pole if 
it's extendable.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, Y




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David,

Not sure how much it actually changes sail performance, but even if you have an 
adjustable whisker pole, most PHRF handicappers will hit you with a penalty if 
the pole length is longer than the “J” for your boat.  When I had a C 25 mk 
1,  I had to put a black band on my adjustable whisker pole to prevent 
extending it beyond the set “legal” length.  In New England it is 3 seconds per 
mile penalty for every 10% greater than the “J”.   I think the idea is to get 
the sail to project out as far as possible when sailing close to DDW while 
still maintaining some flow over the sail.   At the same time always avoid 
sailing by the lee.

As far as the height of the pole, on a C 40 we used to race, when the wind 
speed was over 15kts the pole was set high, in light air, low pole worked best. 
 We would still try to keep the pole perpendicular to the mast as we could 
adjust pole height at the mast end while some boats the pole attachment is 
fixed height.  The net result of a high pole is twist at the leech.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

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Subject: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

 

We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no idea.  
Any general rules of thumb?

 

 Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
apparent angle of about 140-145° true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
-spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave

   

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Check your local rules – some areas (ours for one) only allow the pole to be 
extended out to the J measurement (forestay to mast). That may restrict you 
from the optimum sail shape.

 

Gary 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

 

We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no idea.  
Any general rules of thumb?

 

 Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
apparent angle of about 140-145° true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
-spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave

   

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no idea.  
Any general rules of thumb?

 Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
apparent angle of about 140-145° true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
-spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave
   
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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