Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Not very many MOB stories are funny; but I still chuckle at this one. I began sailing in 1980 while hitchhiking through the Florida Keys. There was a large group of water-hippies who’d mostly chosen home-built plywood trimarans as their vessels of choice; I fell in with them. One of my first sails was on a 36’ Piver Tri on a calm evening across Biscayne Bay. We’d come about and I was handling the sheet for the large Jenny. I had the line taunt and wanted to get another pull before putting the handle on the winch. Now, this boat had about three feet of deck behind the cabin where the winch was mounted, but no lifelines between deck and water. I took a step backwards to put my weight into the pull and dropped about 4-feet into the wet, still with the sheet in my hand. That drop brought the sail in some more; then I was able to pull myself back onboard using the sheet, which got it into proper trim and I managed to cleat it while still on my knees. Everyone onboard cheered, I bowed, and we had a great sail. (Too bad no one had a cell-phone camera to catch it all back then.) Jim Hesketh C 26 Whisper Miami, FL ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
How embarrassing! Some years ago my brother brought his very overweight full-sized stepson out on the boat, went swimming, and then he broke a weld climbing up the transom ladder. Ended up attaching a sling under his arms, attached to the boom, and cranked the end of the boom up with a winch. Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 12:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? IMHO the only way throwing it will work is if the boat is anchored or you sail back to the person and throw it at point-blank range. If you want to experiment, get someone to randomly throw something off and then yell MOB while sailing at 6 knots and then you throw your ring/horseshoe. I am 99% certain they will end up no place close to each other. BTW – have any of you ever actually done a MOB recovery? I used to do real MOBs when I was a sailing instructor if it was a hot day. It all went great until an overweight older lady, despite everyone else yelling NO! , jumped off without asking. We didn’t have ladders, she was decades past being able to pull herself up onto the boat, and despite the rest of the crew that day being athletic 20 somethings there was NO WAY we were getting back on the boat without hurting her. I ended up towing her back to Annapolis and she climbed up a dock ladder at the marina. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam kim via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 12:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam kim Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? not sure how many of you have thrown a life ring or horseshoe... i suggest if you have not, try it and you'll get a sense of how close you really need to be for them to be effective ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
IMHO the only way throwing it will work is if the boat is anchored or you sail back to the person and throw it at point-blank range. If you want to experiment, get someone to randomly throw something off and then yell MOB while sailing at 6 knots and then you throw your ring/horseshoe. I am 99% certain they will end up no place close to each other. BTW – have any of you ever actually done a MOB recovery? I used to do real MOBs when I was a sailing instructor if it was a hot day. It all went great until an overweight older lady, despite everyone else yelling NO! , jumped off without asking. We didn’t have ladders, she was decades past being able to pull herself up onto the boat, and despite the rest of the crew that day being athletic 20 somethings there was NO WAY we were getting back on the boat without hurting her. I ended up towing her back to Annapolis and she climbed up a dock ladder at the marina. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam kim via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 12:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam kim Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? not sure how many of you have thrown a life ring or horseshoe... i suggest if you have not, try it and you'll get a sense of how close you really need to be for them to be effective ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
not sure how many of you have thrown a life ring or horseshoe... i suggest if you have not, try it and you'll get a sense of how close you really need to be for them to be effective On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:01 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Wow, that is quite the story. > Probably worth adding to my safety routine if we have visitors aboard is a > strong reminder to stay on the boat, even if it seems like jumping in for a > swim is a good idea. Everyone around here is familiar with big ferries, so > maybe likening it to jumping off a ferry would be a good analogy. Jumping > off a moving sailboat is not a lot different, but a novice may not realize > it. > Building a MOB pole is on my list also - we used one last year during a > training session - toss the pole at full sail, and then rescue, under sail. > Good skill to practice. We have a lifering, apparently the "lifesling" > don't meet regulations here, although many have them. > > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35 > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:18 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Wow, Bill, that’s quite a story. My (now) father-in-law pulled one of >> those jump-off-the-boat-to-be-funny routines. I was not amused, but no one >> got hurt. >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Bill >> Coleman via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2020 7:01 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Bill Coleman >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, >> horseshoe or cushion? >> >> >> >> That certainly sounds like good advice. I now keep lots of throwables in >> the cockpit. >> >> >> >> I recall an incident that happened to me around 20 years ago. We were >> headed back to the harbor on a beautiful 4th of July weekend, as squalls >> were about an hour away. For some reason, my daughter and her friend who >> were laying on the foredeck thought it would be a good idea if one of them >> hopped over and said, oh save me, and the other was to jump in to save >> her. They were both on the swim team, so, of course good swimmers. As I >> saw the first one go over I said a couple of expletives, and told my other >> daughter in the cockpit to throw the first one a zip up life preserver >> which happened to be hanging over the lifelines drying. Then and my >> daughter on the foredeck jumped over after her friend, a couple more >> expletives, and I said throw the other PFD. I never even thought of the >> horseshoe, but in this case it was for the best. The first girl did get the >> life preserver, and zipped it on herself just before a 20-ft I-O steamed >> over the top of her and chopped her thigh half off. This all happened >> before I had even jibed. (at that time I didn’t even know what had >> happened). I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty, that if she >> had not gotten that life preserver on, she would never have popped back up >> again and would not be a great internist today. Two months in intensive >> care gave her the idea that she would like to be a doctor. And the >> $1,045,000 her father sued the other guy and me for was probably didn’t >> hurt. >> >> >> >> Bill Coleman >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com >> ] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via >> CnC-List >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2020 11:55 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Andrew Burton >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, >> horseshoe or cushion? >> >> >> >> One of the things I stress before we head offshore is that if someone >> goes overboard, absolutely everything that floats should be tossed in after >> them. You're trying to create a debris field to aid in locating the MOB, >> not just give them something to hang on to. >> >> Another thing I stress is that if you go overboard, you stand at best a >> 50/50 chance of being retrieved, so stay on the boat! >> >> Andy >> >> Masquerade >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew Burton >> 26 Beacon Hill >> Newport, RI >> USA 02840 >> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >> >> https://burtonsailing.com/ >> phone +401 965 5260 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Wow, that is quite the story. Probably worth adding to my safety routine if we have visitors aboard is a strong reminder to stay on the boat, even if it seems like jumping in for a swim is a good idea. Everyone around here is familiar with big ferries, so maybe likening it to jumping off a ferry would be a good analogy. Jumping off a moving sailboat is not a lot different, but a novice may not realize it. Building a MOB pole is on my list also - we used one last year during a training session - toss the pole at full sail, and then rescue, under sail. Good skill to practice. We have a lifering, apparently the "lifesling" don't meet regulations here, although many have them. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:18 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Wow, Bill, that’s quite a story. My (now) father-in-law pulled one of > those jump-off-the-boat-to-be-funny routines. I was not amused, but no one > got hurt. > > > > *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Bill > Coleman via CnC-List > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2020 7:01 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Bill Coleman > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe > or cushion? > > > > That certainly sounds like good advice. I now keep lots of throwables in > the cockpit. > > > > I recall an incident that happened to me around 20 years ago. We were > headed back to the harbor on a beautiful 4th of July weekend, as squalls > were about an hour away. For some reason, my daughter and her friend who > were laying on the foredeck thought it would be a good idea if one of them > hopped over and said, oh save me, and the other was to jump in to save > her. They were both on the swim team, so, of course good swimmers. As I > saw the first one go over I said a couple of expletives, and told my other > daughter in the cockpit to throw the first one a zip up life preserver > which happened to be hanging over the lifelines drying. Then and my > daughter on the foredeck jumped over after her friend, a couple more > expletives, and I said throw the other PFD. I never even thought of the > horseshoe, but in this case it was for the best. The first girl did get the > life preserver, and zipped it on herself just before a 20-ft I-O steamed > over the top of her and chopped her thigh half off. This all happened > before I had even jibed. (at that time I didn’t even know what had > happened). I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty, that if she > had not gotten that life preserver on, she would never have popped back up > again and would not be a great internist today. Two months in intensive > care gave her the idea that she would like to be a doctor. And the > $1,045,000 her father sued the other guy and me for was probably didn’t > hurt. > > > > Bill Coleman > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2020 11:55 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Andrew Burton > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe > or cushion? > > > > One of the things I stress before we head offshore is that if someone goes > overboard, absolutely everything that floats should be tossed in after > them. You're trying to create a debris field to aid in locating the MOB, > not just give them something to hang on to. > > Another thing I stress is that if you go overboard, you stand at best a > 50/50 chance of being retrieved, so stay on the boat! > > Andy > > Masquerade > > > > > > Andrew Burton > 26 Beacon Hill > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > > https://burtonsailing.com/ > phone +401 965 5260 > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > There are 3 tasks - throwing something to assist the MOB, finding them and > getting them back on board. A ring, horseshoe,cushion for the first. We > have an inflatable MOB pole for the second (with AIS in our lifejackets > offshore) for the second and the Lifesling for retrieval. > > thankful none have been deployed. > > > > Joel > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:28 PM James Nichols via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Bruce, > > Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves > into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of > like > floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be > light, so the
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Wow, Bill, that’s quite a story. My (now) father-in-law pulled one of those jump-off-the-boat-to-be-funny routines. I was not amused, but no one got hurt. From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 7:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? That certainly sounds like good advice. I now keep lots of throwables in the cockpit. I recall an incident that happened to me around 20 years ago. We were headed back to the harbor on a beautiful 4th of July weekend, as squalls were about an hour away. For some reason, my daughter and her friend who were laying on the foredeck thought it would be a good idea if one of them hopped over and said, oh save me, and the other was to jump in to save her. They were both on the swim team, so, of course good swimmers. As I saw the first one go over I said a couple of expletives, and told my other daughter in the cockpit to throw the first one a zip up life preserver which happened to be hanging over the lifelines drying. Then and my daughter on the foredeck jumped over after her friend, a couple more expletives, and I said throw the other PFD. I never even thought of the horseshoe, but in this case it was for the best. The first girl did get the life preserver, and zipped it on herself just before a 20-ft I-O steamed over the top of her and chopped her thigh half off. This all happened before I had even jibed. (at that time I didn’t even know what had happened). I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty, that if she had not gotten that life preserver on, she would never have popped back up again and would not be a great internist today. Two months in intensive care gave her the idea that she would like to be a doctor. And the $1,045,000 her father sued the other guy and me for was probably didn’t hurt. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Andrew Burton Subject: Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? One of the things I stress before we head offshore is that if someone goes overboard, absolutely everything that floats should be tossed in after them. You're trying to create a debris field to aid in locating the MOB, not just give them something to hang on to. Another thing I stress is that if you go overboard, you stand at best a 50/50 chance of being retrieved, so stay on the boat! Andy Masquerade Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ https://burtonsailing.com/ phone +401 965 5260 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: There are 3 tasks - throwing something to assist the MOB, finding them and getting them back on board. A ring, horseshoe,cushion for the first. We have an inflatable MOB pole for the second (with AIS in our lifejackets offshore) for the second and the Lifesling for retrieval. thankful none have been deployed. Joel On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:28 PM James Nichols via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Bruce, Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of like floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind. Mine has a loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person in, or circle around and pull the float to the person. I think the rope actually flies further than the horseshoe. Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, as mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to throw a life preserver. It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in their direction. James Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 + (UTC) From: Bruce Whitmore mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> > To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? Message-ID: <105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com <mailto:105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? Is there an inherent reason for one
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
That certainly sounds like good advice. I now keep lots of throwables in the cockpit. I recall an incident that happened to me around 20 years ago. We were headed back to the harbor on a beautiful 4th of July weekend, as squalls were about an hour away. For some reason, my daughter and her friend who were laying on the foredeck thought it would be a good idea if one of them hopped over and said, oh save me, and the other was to jump in to save her. They were both on the swim team, so, of course good swimmers. As I saw the first one go over I said a couple of expletives, and told my other daughter in the cockpit to throw the first one a zip up life preserver which happened to be hanging over the lifelines drying. Then and my daughter on the foredeck jumped over after her friend, a couple more expletives, and I said throw the other PFD. I never even thought of the horseshoe, but in this case it was for the best. The first girl did get the life preserver, and zipped it on herself just before a 20-ft I-O steamed over the top of her and chopped her thigh half off. This all happened before I had even jibed. (at that time I didn’t even know what had happened). I can say with a pretty good degree of certainty, that if she had not gotten that life preserver on, she would never have popped back up again and would not be a great internist today. Two months in intensive care gave her the idea that she would like to be a doctor. And the $1,045,000 her father sued the other guy and me for was probably didn’t hurt. Bill Coleman From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andrew Burton Subject: Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? One of the things I stress before we head offshore is that if someone goes overboard, absolutely everything that floats should be tossed in after them. You're trying to create a debris field to aid in locating the MOB, not just give them something to hang on to. Another thing I stress is that if you go overboard, you stand at best a 50/50 chance of being retrieved, so stay on the boat! Andy Masquerade Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ https://burtonsailing.com/ phone +401 965 5260 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: There are 3 tasks - throwing something to assist the MOB, finding them and getting them back on board. A ring, horseshoe,cushion for the first. We have an inflatable MOB pole for the second (with AIS in our lifejackets offshore) for the second and the Lifesling for retrieval. thankful none have been deployed. Joel On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:28 PM James Nichols via CnC-List wrote: Bruce, Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of like floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind. Mine has a loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person in, or circle around and pull the float to the person. I think the rope actually flies further than the horseshoe. Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, as mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to throw a life preserver. It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in their direction. James Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 + (UTC) From: Bruce Whitmore To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? Message-ID: <105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/70 <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/705e82ec/attachment-0001.html> 5e82ec/attachment-0001.html> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the l
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
One of the things I stress before we head offshore is that if someone goes overboard, absolutely everything that floats should be tossed in after them. You're trying to create a debris field to aid in locating the MOB, not just give them something to hang on to. Another thing I stress is that if you go overboard, you stand at best a 50/50 chance of being retrieved, so stay on the boat! Andy Masquerade Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ https://burtonsailing.com/ phone +401 965 5260 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > There are 3 tasks - throwing something to assist the MOB, finding them and > getting them back on board. A ring, horseshoe,cushion for the first. We > have an inflatable MOB pole for the second (with AIS in our lifejackets > offshore) for the second and the Lifesling for retrieval. > thankful none have been deployed. > > Joel > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:28 PM James Nichols via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Bruce, >> >> Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get >> themselves >> into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of >> like >> floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be >> light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind. Mine has a >> loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person >> in, or circle around and pull the float to the person. I think the rope >> actually flies further than the horseshoe. >> >> Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, >> as >> mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to >> throw a >> life preserver. It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man >> Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they >> can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for >> you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in >> their >> direction. >> >> James >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 + (UTC) >> From: Bruce Whitmore >> To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners >> Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or >> cushion? >> Message-ID: <105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats >> with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? >> >> Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?? >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> < >> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/70 >> 5e82ec/attachment-0001.html >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/705e82ec/attachment-0001.html> >> > >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> > > -- > Joel > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
There are 3 tasks - throwing something to assist the MOB, finding them and getting them back on board. A ring, horseshoe,cushion for the first. We have an inflatable MOB pole for the second (with AIS in our lifejackets offshore) for the second and the Lifesling for retrieval. thankful none have been deployed. Joel On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:28 PM James Nichols via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Bruce, > > Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves > into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of > like > floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be > light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind. Mine has a > loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person > in, or circle around and pull the float to the person. I think the rope > actually flies further than the horseshoe. > > Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, as > mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to throw > a > life preserver. It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man > Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they > can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for > you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in > their > direction. > > James > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bruce Whitmore > To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners > Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or > cushion? > Message-ID: <105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats > with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? > > Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?? > > Bruce Whitmore > 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > < > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/70 > 5e82ec/attachment-0001.html > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/705e82ec/attachment-0001.html> > > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Joel ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Bruce, Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of like floating on a pool noodle. As someone else mentioned, they tend to be light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind. Mine has a loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person in, or circle around and pull the float to the person. I think the rope actually flies further than the horseshoe. Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, as mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to throw a life preserver. It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in their direction. James Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 + (UTC) From: Bruce Whitmore To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? Message-ID: <105761816.3312960.1583189718...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20200302/70 5e82ec/attachment-0001.html> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
The commercial standards for throwables mean that you need a special lifesling if that is the device of choice (Lifesling III = considerably more expensive than a more simple ring buoy). It's not so much what you have that is credited to meet the requirements, it's what you have in addition to the requirements. I have throwable cushions, a mustang stick, and a lifesling III, and countless fenders. I can tell you from experience that the cushions tend to fly poorly - like a half functional boomerang - and you only get one shot. The sling can be slung a pretty good distance and you can retry as often as you like before circling around. The mustang stick can be thrown easily the farthest but, as any inflatable device, could fail to deploy and like other throwables only gives one shot and no mechanism for retrieval. As for using the lifesling to lift someone on board, I have practiced using the main sheet with boom poled out. It is a challenge but it does work. For any amount of incapacitation on the part if the victim plan on sending a swimmer in the water to assist...at the very least with attaching the purchase system to the sling. I got my RYA and IYT certs and during that time I was introduced to the "crash back - hove to" method and have practiced it with surprisingly good results. But this method limits your ability to perform the concentric circles prescribed for the lifesling. For lifting a victim, PS found that a long mooring line made to the bow cleat and led back to the primary winch, with the catenary drooped in the water, was the best method. Bring the victim along the leeward side where the catenary is waiting to provide stability. Once stable the victim stands or kneels on the line while stabilizing off a halyard, toe rail, or other crewman's assistance. The primary winch can then by tightened to lift the victim on board. PS also noted that a mechanism for lowering the life lines may need to be considered. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 17:56 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats > with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. > > Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? > > Bruce Whitmore > 1994 C 37/40+ > "Astralis" > Madeira Beach, FL > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
The life sling works very well, but we used the dinghy we were towing in the same way to save a guy last spring. I wrote it up in Lats and Atts a month or so ago. I also carry a Man Overboard Module, which I highly recommend. Andy Masquerade Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA02840 www.burtonsailing.com http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Mar 2, 2020, at 18:18, Rod Stright via CnC-List > wrote: > > Most Horseshoes are light, can’t be thrown in any wind and break apart with > any load on them. Life rings are solid, strong and can be thrown > effectively, built to Safety of Life at Sea at Convention (SOLAS) standards > specified in the Life Saving Appliance (LSA) Code and satisfy Transport > Canada regulations specified in the Lifesaving Equipment Regulations. Life > slings are built differently and used differently > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqJkMsF-8 their major benefit is the > ability if used properly is to be able to hoist someone back aboard. > > From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore > via CnC-List > Sent: March-02-20 6:55 PM > To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners > Cc: Bruce Whitmore > Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or > cushion? > > So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats with > horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. > > Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? > > Bruce Whitmore > 1994 C 37/40+ > "Astralis" > Madeira Beach, FL > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Most Horseshoes are light, can’t be thrown in any wind and break apart with any load on them. Life rings are solid, strong and can be thrown effectively, built to Safety of Life at Sea at Convention (SOLAS) standards specified in the Life Saving Appliance (LSA) Code and satisfy Transport Canada regulations specified in the Lifesaving Equipment Regulations. Life slings are built differently and used differently <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqJkMsF-8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqJkMsF-8 their major benefit is the ability if used properly is to be able to hoist someone back aboard. From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List Sent: March-02-20 6:55 PM To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners Cc: Bruce Whitmore Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion? So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis" Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
If you buy the full Lifesling kit, it comes with a block and tackle to help pull a MOB back onto the boat. In 6’ seas, don’t expect to use a swim ladder to bring a hypothermic 200lb man back on the boat, especially if you are the lone person left onboard. Arguably, a ring buoy may be able to be thrown farther than the lifesling, but in each situation, the recovery method involves circling the swimmer to draw the recovery device to the person. Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram MA Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2020, at 6:02 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List > wrote: > > Canada requires ring. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Mar 2, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >> >> So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats >> with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. >> >> Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> 1994 C 37/40+ >> "Astralis" >> Madeira Beach, FL >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
Canada requires ring. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote: So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis" Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?
So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion. Yet, I see lots of boats with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
