Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike AmiraultCC33 mkii lovely CruiseSt Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
CC must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go straight down, and work fine. I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well. So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains? sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: CC must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
I like the idea of wire reinforced hose on through hulls, especiall cockpit drains that I never close. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Lake Erie - Original Message - From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List To: John McKay ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: mike amirault Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 13:38 Subject: Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved CC must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
Hi Sam, If your cockpit sole is at an elevation where the leeward drain is below the waterline when heeled then crossed drain hoses prevent water coming into the low corner and getting the binoculars and empty beer cans wet. I have vertical drain hoses and no problems. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:01 AM 15/03/2015, you wrote: Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go straight down, and work fine. I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well. So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains? sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
Most things crack after 35 years or so! sam :-) On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: CC must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved
The idea is that, when the boat is heeled, a portion of the hose from the leeward scupper to the windward through hull will be above the water level and will keep water from siphoning back into the cockpit. The PO of my 25 had rigged the scuppers to drain straight down. When heeled, the low side of the cockpit filled with water. After I commented to a friend about this, he explained about the crossed hoses. On my 38, the scuppers are high enough above water level that even with excessive heel in the 30 degree range, the scuppers stay above water level. The hoses are not crossed, but that isn’t a problem. So whether it is advisable to cross the hoses or not will depend on the height of your cockpit sole above the waterline, and on how you sail the boat. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go straight down, and work fine. I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well. So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains? sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: CC must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it during a thaw earlier this winter. Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II. john from Enterprise. On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any event, I removed the old hoses which were type B fuel lines reinforced with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the water to drain off, no ice. Mike Amirault CC33 mkii lovely Cruise St Margarets Bay, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
