Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
Found some at napa hope it works thx Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2017, at 10:57 AM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List > wrote: > > Try Kroil comes in Orange can. We use it in frozen bolts on turbine engines. > I had some frozen turn buckles on Rebecca Leah, sprayed and let soak for 3 > days and was able to free them up. I won't use any other penetrant. Also you > may want to use a good anti seize for reassembly. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > Doug Mountjoy > POYC > Pegasus (for sale) > Lf38 > Rebecca Leah LF39 > > Original message > From: PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List > Date: 8/19/17 04:42 (GMT-08:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > Subject: Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > Thanks for the info will try liquid wrench first have about 6 weeks to try > that > > Hope it's not a full cold weld that does not sound exciting > > Peter > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > > wrote: > > > > I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld > > between the turnbuckle and the bolt? > > > > Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. > > > > Marek > > > > > > Penetrating Oils > > > > Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on > > various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might > > appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out > > torque on rusted nuts. > > > > They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. > > They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the > > control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically > > rusted" environment. > > > > *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* > > > > No Oil used ...516 pounds > > > > WD-40 . ... 238 pounds > > > > PB Blaster 214 pounds > > > > Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds > > > > Kano Kroil 106 pounds > > > > ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds > > > > The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission > > fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any > > commercial product in this one particular test. > > > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with > > equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as > > "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > > > Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can > > also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. > > > > *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid > > > > -Original Message- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER > > OCAMPO via CnC-List > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > > Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > > > had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune > > short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for > > 20-25 knots but don't push it > > > > Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation > > for something else > > > > hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want > > > > History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten > > guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever > > been raced > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > C&c 40 1983 > > Goonie island > > Portland Maine > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > > https://www.paypal.me/stumu
Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
Try Kroil comes in Orange can. We use it in frozen bolts on turbine engines. I had some frozen turn buckles on Rebecca Leah, sprayed and let soak for 3 days and was able to free them up. I won't use any other penetrant. Also you may want to use a good anti seize for reassembly. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 Rebecca Leah LF39 Original message From: PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List Date: 8/19/17 04:42 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PETER OCAMPO Subject: Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles Thanks for the info will try liquid wrench first have about 6 weeks to try that Hope it's not a full cold weld that does not sound exciting Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld > between the turnbuckle and the bolt? > > Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. > > Marek > > > Penetrating Oils > > Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on various > penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might > appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out > torque on rusted nuts. > > They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. > They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the > control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically > rusted" environment. > > *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* > > No Oil used ...516 pounds > > WD-40 . ... 238 pounds > > PB Blaster 214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds > > Kano Kroil 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission > fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any > commercial product in this one particular test. > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally > good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as > "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also > use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. > > *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER > OCAMPO via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune > short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for 20-25 > knots but don't push it > > Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation for > something else > > hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want > > History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten > guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever > been raced > > > Thanks > > Peter > C&c 40 1983 > Goonie island > Portland Maine > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
That's also my plan as well thx Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List > wrote: > > The thing is, if you don't know the rig's age, you should be replacing it. > The general rule for standing rigging is to replace every 10 to 15 years. If > yours is frozen, chances are is original. Replace and reset the clock so you > know how old the rigs is. > > On my first two boats, I just swapped out the rig all at once. on the > current boat, I'm swapping out in increments. It much heavier and much more > expensive. > > Of course, my mast comes down every year so its no extra to spread the > replacement out. > > You can either drive your rigging to rigging only in Fairhaven ma. Or mail > it to them for a very reasonable replacement cost. > > Danny > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > Original message > From: PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List > Date: 8/19/17 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > Subject: Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > Thanks for the info will try liquid wrench first have about 6 weeks to try > that > > Hope it's not a full cold weld that does not sound exciting > > Peter > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > > wrote: > > > > I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld > > between the turnbuckle and the bolt? > > > > Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. > > > > Marek > > > > > > Penetrating Oils > > > > Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on > > various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might > > appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out > > torque on rusted nuts. > > > > They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. > > They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the > > control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically > > rusted" environment. > > > > *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* > > > > No Oil used ...516 pounds > > > > WD-40 . ... 238 pounds > > > > PB Blaster 214 pounds > > > > Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds > > > > Kano Kroil 106 pounds > > > > ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds > > > > The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission > > fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any > > commercial product in this one particular test. > > > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with > > equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as > > "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > > > Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can > > also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. > > > > *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid > > > > -Original Message- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER > > OCAMPO via CnC-List > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > > Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > > > had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune > > short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for > > 20-25 knots but don't push it > > > > Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation > > for something else > > > > hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want > > > > History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten > > guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever > > been raced > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > C&c 40 1983 > > Goonie island > > Portland Maine > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > > https://www.paypal.me/stu
Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
The thing is, if you don't know the rig's age, you should be replacing it. The general rule for standing rigging is to replace every 10 to 15 years. If yours is frozen, chances are is original. Replace and reset the clock so you know how old the rigs is. On my first two boats, I just swapped out the rig all at once. on the current boat, I'm swapping out in increments. It much heavier and much more expensive. Of course, my mast comes down every year so its no extra to spread the replacement out. You can either drive your rigging to rigging only in Fairhaven ma. Or mail it to them for a very reasonable replacement cost. Danny Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List Date: 8/19/17 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PETER OCAMPO Subject: Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles Thanks for the info will try liquid wrench first have about 6 weeks to try that Hope it's not a full cold weld that does not sound exciting Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld > between the turnbuckle and the bolt? > > Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. > > Marek > > > Penetrating Oils > > Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on various > penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might > appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out > torque on rusted nuts. > > They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. > They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the > control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically > rusted" environment. > > *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* > > No Oil used ...516 pounds > > WD-40 . ... 238 pounds > > PB Blaster 214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds > > Kano Kroil 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission > fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any > commercial product in this one particular test. > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally > good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as > "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also > use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. > > *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER > OCAMPO via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune > short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for 20-25 > knots but don't push it > > Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation for > something else > > hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want > > History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten > guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever > been raced > > > Thanks > > Peter > C&c 40 1983 > Goonie island > Portland Maine > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
Thanks for the info will try liquid wrench first have about 6 weeks to try that Hope it's not a full cold weld that does not sound exciting Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld > between the turnbuckle and the bolt? > > Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. > > Marek > > > Penetrating Oils > > Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on various > penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might > appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out > torque on rusted nuts. > > They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. > They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the > control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically > rusted" environment. > > *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* > > No Oil used ...516 pounds > > WD-40 . ... 238 pounds > > PB Blaster 214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds > > Kano Kroil 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission > fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any > commercial product in this one particular test. > > Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally > good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as > "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also > use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. > > *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER > OCAMPO via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: PETER OCAMPO > Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles > > had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune > short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for 20-25 > knots but don't push it > > Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation for > something else > > hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want > > History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten > guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever > been raced > > > Thanks > > Peter > C&c 40 1983 > Goonie island > Portland Maine > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
I hate to say this, but is it possible that you have a case of a cold weld between the turnbuckle and the bolt? Also look at the below. You may want to be careful with acetone on the deck. Marek Penetrating Oils Machinist's Workshop magazine recently published some information on various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts. They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. *Penetrating oils ... Average torque load to loosen* No Oil used ...516 pounds WD-40 . ... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...127 pounds Kano Kroil 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix.53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is almost as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF-Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix. *ATF=Automatic Transmission Fluid -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 20:11 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PETER OCAMPO Subject: Stus-List Frozen turn buckles had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for 20-25 knots but don't push it Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation for something else hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever been raced Thanks Peter C&c 40 1983 Goonie island Portland Maine Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Frozen turn buckles
had my rig checked and rigger found turn buckles frozen He could tune short stays but long stays no movement He advised should be good for 20-25 knots but don't push it Is it okay to use pb blaster on turnbuckles or is there a recommendation for something else hate to say it winter storage coming sooner then I want History of boat not known if stick has been down in 20+years Last ten guess is very light sailing last 3 on the hard Does not appear to ever been raced Thanks Peter C&c 40 1983 Goonie island Portland Maine Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
