Re: Stus-List Garboard Plug

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

I drilled for garboard drain last fall.  I will install perko drain in spring.
I used 2 earth magnets to locate where to drill...one low inside bilge taped 
where I wanted the drain, then just moved the other on outside of keel stub 
until it "located" it's mate and voila, knew exactly where to drill my pilot 
and hole.
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi
On Friday, January 10, 2020 Len Mitchell via CnC-List  
wrote:
The way I have to look at it is based on being on the hard from October to May. 
If I was in the water like Josh 11/12 months or Bob 12/12, I wouldn’t even look 
at it. It wouldn’t make sense to me either and simply is not required. If you 
have ever checked on your boat and found water just under the floor boards or 
quite possibly just over the floor boards frozen solid you would understand why 
I have no problem properly installing one. It’s just peace of mind. I think 
this hull penetration is much less a risk than the others. Just count for 
yourself how many hull penetrations you have when you include instruments, 
stuffing box and traditional thru hulls. I believe stock I have 9 “holes” and 
the garboard plug is 10. It’s really a different mindset based on a northern 
climate. Anyway glad I finally did it after 20 years so we can travel where 
it’s warm without worry, that was the point of my original post lol. 
Len

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Stus-List Garboard Plug

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

The way I have to look at it is based on being on the hard from October to May. 
If I was in the water like Josh 11/12 months or Bob 12/12, I wouldn’t even look 
at it. It wouldn’t make sense to me either and simply is not required. If you 
have ever checked on your boat and found water just under the floor boards or 
quite possibly just over the floor boards frozen solid you would understand why 
I have no problem properly installing one. It’s just peace of mind. I think 
this hull penetration is much less a risk than the others. Just count for 
yourself how many hull penetrations you have when you include instruments, 
stuffing box and traditional thru hulls. I believe stock I have 9 “holes” and 
the garboard plug is 10. It’s really a different mindset based on a northern 
climate. Anyway glad I finally did it after 20 years so we can travel where 
it’s warm without worry, that was the point of my original post lol. 
Len

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I like the garboard drain idea, but it seems much simpler, safer, and cheaper 
($15.80) to install the tubing w squeeze bulb I suggested earlier.  Setup your 
charger like I do with a radio and you won't have to climb a ladder.  I 
wouldn't leave a boat unchecked for more than a few weeks.  You gotta check 
that the tarp is ok, the stands are tight, no trimbs have fallen on it, etc, 
and I always plug in the charger regularly so the batteries get topped off and 
don't freeze.  I get 10 to 11 years out of my batteries.   Here's what I 
bought.  works great.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-8-Universal-Fuel-Line-Assembly-with-Primer-Bulb-for-Boat-Outboard-Marine-Tractor-Black/606786606?wmlspartner=wlpa=9869=227077274554==g=c=189966947924=aud-430887228898:pla-294792031802=9003904pla=115780161=online=606786606=sem=CjwKCAiA3uDwBRBFEiwA1VsajIdfD22TNowhAsr00lXZYOzOFTAZZyk-iYa9XhLDPzwAxMwITC_76hoCc5wQAvD_BwE

Chuck



> On at rjcasciato--- via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Josh, I have the 1" version as seen in several other emailsit is 
> located at the very bottom of the bilge sump. (C 38MKII) It was installed 
> about 10 years ago. The location was carefully sited and drilled from the 
> outside.the hole actually sits a quarter inch below the bilge floor.
> The brass plate is recessed into the hull to be flush with the hull. We 
> smear a small amount of marine underwater fairing cpd. for the summer of 
> racing.
> When she gets set up on the hard for the winterwe slightly tilt the 
> boat to port and insert a PVC threaded fitting with an angled piece of pipe 
> to carry water away from the hull.
> This installation has required NO maintenance and is sealed 
> completelyno chance for water intrusion unless we forget to put the plug 
> in in the spring.
> You won't be sorry and that's 1more thing you don't have to worry about 
> over the winter.
> Impromptu is located in the Boston area and winters here are usually wet 
> and cold..
> I'm getting too old to safely climb a 12' ladder in the freezing weather 
> to check the bilge.
> Best
> Ron Casciato
> 
> 
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> 
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: muckl...@gmail.com
> Sent: 2020-01-10 2:46:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug
> 
> My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull 
> penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I 
> would install it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and 
> mine may be 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally 
> vacuum and sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was 
> difficult to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and 
> faired the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose 
> you could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) 
> issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug 
> and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and 
> that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. 
> Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. 
> > Len 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
> > 
> > 
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Josh, I have the 1" version as seen in several other emailsit is located at the very bottom of the bilge sump. (C 38MKII) It was installed about 10 years ago. The location was carefully sited and drilled from the outside.the hole actually sits a quarter inch below the bilge floor.The brass plate is recessed into the hull to be flush with the hull. We smear a small amount of marine underwater fairing cpd. for the summer of racing.When she gets set up on the hard for the winterwe slightly tilt the boat to port and insert a PVC threaded fitting with an angled piece of pipe to carry water away from the hull.This installation has required NO maintenance and is sealed completelyno chance for water intrusion unless we forget to put the plug in in the spring. You won't be sorry and that's 1more thing you don't have to worry about over the winter.Impromptu is located in the Boston area and winters here are usually wet and cold..I'm getting too old to safely climb a 12' ladder in the freezing weather to check the bilge.Best Ron Casciato Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: muckl...@gmail.comSent: 2020-01-10 2:46:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug
My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MDOn Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. Len https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0Sent from my iPad___

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Yes, I agree with Josh—one more hole that could let water into the boat.  No 
way I would do this in my boat!

Bob

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull 
> penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it 
> low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 
> 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and 
> sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to 
> plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the 
> garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could 
> use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so 
> it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept 
> the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s 
> why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you 
> can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. 
> Len 
> 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
>  
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C Landfall 38, Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull
penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install
> it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be
> 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and
> sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult
> to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired
> the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you
> could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature)
> issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon
> plug and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this
> project and that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36
> KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know.
> Len
>
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
>
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Stus-List Garboard plug

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it low 
in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 1/4-1/2 
inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and sponge out 
the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to plan with a 
normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the garboard drain 
so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could use 5200 but I 
don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so it isn’t as 
smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept the bronze plug 
as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s why I should have 
done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox 
photos. If not let me know. 
Len 


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Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Is that what you’re looking for? 

https://flic.kr/p/buJZba

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Apr 26, 2019, at 4:37 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:23:16 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Pictures?
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 6:12 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> Magnets worked perfectly to locate the hole and drill from outside. Thanks
>> for the suggestion Eric! It is mounted in the bottom of the bilge flush
>> with the keel stub and looks great. Len
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

A handy tip..choose the garboard plug size so that you can thread a PVC male fitting into  the hole for the winterthen make an elbow that fits the male fitting and water will be directed away from the hull all winter.Do the reverse before launching in the spring.Of course, if you are in the water all yearsimply disregard this suggestion...Ron C.Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: muckl...@gmail.comSent: 2019-04-26 6:24:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.Pictures?Josh On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 6:12 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Magnets worked perfectly to locate the hole and drill from outside. Thanks for the suggestion Eric! It is mounted in the bottom of the bilge flush with the keel stub and looks great. Len

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Pictures??

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 19:24, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Pictures?
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 6:12 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Magnets worked perfectly to locate the hole and drill from outside.
>> Thanks for the suggestion Eric! It is mounted in the bottom of the bilge
>> flush with the keel stub and looks great. Len
>>
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Pictures?

Josh

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 6:12 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Magnets worked perfectly to locate the hole and drill from outside. Thanks
> for the suggestion Eric! It is mounted in the bottom of the bilge flush
> with the keel stub and looks great. Len
>
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Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40 update.

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Magnets worked perfectly to locate the hole and drill from outside. Thanks for 
the suggestion Eric! It is mounted in the bottom of the bilge flush with the 
keel stub and looks great. Len

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

A friend of mine places a small rope to act as a wick to get the last little 
bit.  Seems to work well for him.

 

Neil

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 9:12 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

 

A friend does exactly this on his C 35 Mk.1 and has been doing it for years.  
Works well.

 

Ken H.

 

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:24, dwight veinot via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Even with a garboard drain hole it is impossible to keep the bilge in my 35 
MKII completely dry unless I use a sponge to sop up water in the depressions 
between the athwartship glass belts that provide added strength where the keel 
bolts exit into the bilge. There are no limber holes to allow water to flow 
forward or aft past these strength members. Every fall i drill a 1/2 inch hole 
angled downward from the inside port side at the lowest spot between one pair 
of these strength members and every spring I clean the inside of that hole with 
sand paper followed by a wssh with an acetone soaked rag. After drying i put a 
small wood plug in to about 1/8 inch depth from the outside and use a syringe 
filled with thickened epoxy from the inside to fill the hole from the bottom up 
to avoid entrapped air. When filled I put a small bandage of paper towel over 
the epoxy but because the drain hole is angled downward and the hole is about 
an inch long the epoxy stays put until cured. Once cured i remove the wood 
plug, fair with a dab a light car body filler and apply bottom paint. My 
prefered way to avoid installing a rather bulky regular garboard drain. Not a 
lot of work either and i trust the epoxy plug won’t leak. So far after about 12 
years of doing it this way no complaints or problems. 

 

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:09 AM Eric Frank via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I used this Magnets technique to install a garboard drain on my 35 Mk2 with 
great success 3 years ago. Can’t remember who suggested it on this list serve 
but it works very well.  Moving the magnets around, I found the lowest place in 
the bilge that still had the hole coming out in a suitable place where the keel 
is attached to the hull. Drilling from the outside, once the position was 
marked, was easy and the angle, perpendicular to the contour of the hull/keel 
joint, came out just where the internal magnet had been located.  Drilled a 
pilot hole first to make sure it came out at the right place in the bilge. An 
improvement this winter was to pull a piece of absorbent cloth thru the hole 
and hanging down a few inches on the outside, which acted like a wick. This 
kept the bilge completely dry all winter. Based on an earlier suggestion on 
this list serve to use a wick to drain the low point on the deck thru one of 
the holes in the toe rail, where it also works very well.

 

Eric Frank, C 35 Mk II, Mattapoisett, MA

 


I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought wouldn?t 
connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very strong magnets 
at the point that I wanted, but didn?t think I could B/C of where I thought the 
lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to the Inside Magnet!

Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be taking a 
blind chance.
Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

A friend does exactly this on his C 35 Mk.1 and has been doing it for
years.  Works well.

Ken H.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:24, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Even with a garboard drain hole it is impossible to keep the bilge in my
> 35 MKII completely dry unless I use a sponge to sop up water in the
> depressions between the athwartship glass belts that provide added strength
> where the keel bolts exit into the bilge. There are no limber holes to
> allow water to flow forward or aft past these strength members. Every fall
> i drill a 1/2 inch hole angled downward from the inside port side at the
> lowest spot between one pair of these strength members and every spring I
> clean the inside of that hole with sand paper followed by a wssh with an
> acetone soaked rag. After drying i put a small wood plug in to about 1/8
> inch depth from the outside and use a syringe filled with thickened epoxy
> from the inside to fill the hole from the bottom up to avoid entrapped air.
> When filled I put a small bandage of paper towel over the epoxy but because
> the drain hole is angled downward and the hole is about an inch long the
> epoxy stays put until cured. Once cured i remove the wood plug, fair with a
> dab a light car body filler and apply bottom paint. My prefered way to
> avoid installing a rather bulky regular garboard drain. Not a lot of work
> either and i trust the epoxy plug won’t leak. So far after about 12 years
> of doing it this way no complaints or problems.
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:09 AM Eric Frank via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I used this Magnets technique to install a garboard drain on my 35 Mk2
>> with great success 3 years ago. Can’t remember who suggested it on this
>> list serve but it works very well.  Moving the magnets around, I found the
>> lowest place in the bilge that still had the hole coming out in a suitable
>> place where the keel is attached to the hull. Drilling from the outside,
>> once the position was marked, was easy and the angle, perpendicular to the
>> contour of the hull/keel joint, came out just where the internal magnet had
>> been located.  Drilled a pilot hole first to make sure it came out at the
>> right place in the bilge. An improvement this winter was to pull a piece of
>> absorbent cloth thru the hole and hanging down a few inches on the outside,
>> which acted like a wick. This kept the bilge completely dry all winter.
>> Based on an earlier suggestion on this list serve to use a wick to drain
>> the low point on the deck thru one of the holes in the toe rail, where it
>> also works very well.
>>
>> Eric Frank, C 35 Mk II, Mattapoisett, MA
>>
>>
>> I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought
>> wouldn?t connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very
>> strong magnets at the point that I wanted, but didn?t think I could B/C of
>> where I thought the lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to
>> the Inside Magnet!
>>
>> Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be
>> taking a blind chance.
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> C 39 Erie, PA
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

This reminds me of a method I used on a Soling I had several years ago, I 
started with a quarter inch hole in the low point and would fill with epoxy in 
the spring, but then I just got a large pan head SS machine screw and put a 
small and larger O ring under the head and a wing nut on the inside, worked 
great.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 7:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

 

Even with a garboard drain hole it is impossible to keep the bilge in my 35 
MKII completely dry unless I use a sponge to sop up water in the depressions 
between the athwartship glass belts that provide added strength where the keel 
bolts exit into the bilge. There are no limber holes to allow water to flow 
forward or aft past these strength members. Every fall i drill a 1/2 inch hole 
angled downward from the inside port side at the lowest spot between one pair 
of these strength members and every spring I clean the inside of that hole with 
sand paper followed by a wssh with an acetone soaked rag. After drying i put a 
small wood plug in to about 1/8 inch depth from the outside and use a syringe 
filled with thickened epoxy from the inside to fill the hole from the bottom up 
to avoid entrapped air. When filled I put a small bandage of paper towel over 
the epoxy but because the drain hole is angled downward and the hole is about 
an inch long the epoxy stays put until cured. Once cured i remove the wood 
plug, fair with a dab a light car body filler and apply bottom paint. My 
prefered way to avoid installing a rather bulky regular garboard drain. Not a 
lot of work either and i trust the epoxy plug won’t leak. So far after about 12 
years of doing it this way no complaints or problems. 

 

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:09 AM Eric Frank via CnC-List  
wrote:

I used this Magnets technique to install a garboard drain on my 35 Mk2 with 
great success 3 years ago. Can’t remember who suggested it on this list serve 
but it works very well.  Moving the magnets around, I found the lowest place in 
the bilge that still had the hole coming out in a suitable place where the keel 
is attached to the hull. Drilling from the outside, once the position was 
marked, was easy and the angle, perpendicular to the contour of the hull/keel 
joint, came out just where the internal magnet had been located.  Drilled a 
pilot hole first to make sure it came out at the right place in the bilge. An 
improvement this winter was to pull a piece of absorbent cloth thru the hole 
and hanging down a few inches on the outside, which acted like a wick. This 
kept the bilge completely dry all winter. Based on an earlier suggestion on 
this list serve to use a wick to drain the low point on the deck thru one of 
the holes in the toe rail, where it also works very well.

 

Eric Frank, C 35 Mk II, Mattapoisett, MA

 


I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought wouldn?t 
connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very strong magnets 
at the point that I wanted, but didn?t think I could B/C of where I thought the 
lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to the Inside Magnet!

Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be taking a 
blind chance.
Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Even with a garboard drain hole it is impossible to keep the bilge in my 35
MKII completely dry unless I use a sponge to sop up water in the
depressions between the athwartship glass belts that provide added strength
where the keel bolts exit into the bilge. There are no limber holes to
allow water to flow forward or aft past these strength members. Every fall
i drill a 1/2 inch hole angled downward from the inside port side at the
lowest spot between one pair of these strength members and every spring I
clean the inside of that hole with sand paper followed by a wssh with an
acetone soaked rag. After drying i put a small wood plug in to about 1/8
inch depth from the outside and use a syringe filled with thickened epoxy
from the inside to fill the hole from the bottom up to avoid entrapped air.
When filled I put a small bandage of paper towel over the epoxy but because
the drain hole is angled downward and the hole is about an inch long the
epoxy stays put until cured. Once cured i remove the wood plug, fair with a
dab a light car body filler and apply bottom paint. My prefered way to
avoid installing a rather bulky regular garboard drain. Not a lot of work
either and i trust the epoxy plug won’t leak. So far after about 12 years
of doing it this way no complaints or problems.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:09 AM Eric Frank via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I used this Magnets technique to install a garboard drain on my 35 Mk2
> with great success 3 years ago. Can’t remember who suggested it on this
> list serve but it works very well.  Moving the magnets around, I found the
> lowest place in the bilge that still had the hole coming out in a suitable
> place where the keel is attached to the hull. Drilling from the outside,
> once the position was marked, was easy and the angle, perpendicular to the
> contour of the hull/keel joint, came out just where the internal magnet had
> been located.  Drilled a pilot hole first to make sure it came out at the
> right place in the bilge. An improvement this winter was to pull a piece of
> absorbent cloth thru the hole and hanging down a few inches on the outside,
> which acted like a wick. This kept the bilge completely dry all winter.
> Based on an earlier suggestion on this list serve to use a wick to drain
> the low point on the deck thru one of the holes in the toe rail, where it
> also works very well.
>
> Eric Frank, C 35 Mk II, Mattapoisett, MA
>
>
> I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought
> wouldn?t connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very
> strong magnets at the point that I wanted, but didn?t think I could B/C of
> where I thought the lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to
> the Inside Magnet!
>
> Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be
> taking a blind chance.
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

I used this Magnets technique to install a garboard drain on my 35 Mk2 with 
great success 3 years ago. Can’t remember who suggested it on this list serve 
but it works very well.  Moving the magnets around, I found the lowest place in 
the bilge that still had the hole coming out in a suitable place where the keel 
is attached to the hull. Drilling from the outside, once the position was 
marked, was easy and the angle, perpendicular to the contour of the hull/keel 
joint, came out just where the internal magnet had been located.  Drilled a 
pilot hole first to make sure it came out at the right place in the bilge. An 
improvement this winter was to pull a piece of absorbent cloth thru the hole 
and hanging down a few inches on the outside, which acted like a wick. This 
kept the bilge completely dry all winter. Based on an earlier suggestion on 
this list serve to use a wick to drain the low point on the deck thru one of 
the holes in the toe rail, where it also works very well.

Eric Frank, C 35 Mk II, Mattapoisett, MA

> 
> I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought 
> wouldn?t connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very 
> strong magnets at the point that I wanted, but didn?t think I could B/C of 
> where I thought the lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to the 
> Inside Magnet!
> 
> Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be taking 
> a blind chance.
> Bill Coleman
> 
> C 39 Erie, PA


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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I believe someone here suggested Magnets, which at the time I thought wouldn’t 
connect through that thickness, but I tried with a pair of very strong magnets 
at the point that I wanted, but didn’t think I could B/C of where I thought the 
lead would be, and voila, the outside magnet stuck to the Inside Magnet!

Which means, of course, that you can drill from the outside and not be taking a 
blind chance.

However, I never left my mast up, so I never actually installed a garboard 
drain.

 

On another note, just looked at a friend’s C 36 that has a garboard plug, and 
in spite of this, had a section of lead blow out over the winter down in the 
keel bolt.  I have no idea how that much water (or any!) could have gotten down 
into where the keel bolt is embedded into the keel.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len Mitchell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:21 PM
To: CNC List
Cc: Len Mitchell
Subject: Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

 

Has anyone with a 37/40 installed a bilge drain for winter? I am interested in 
knowing the thickness of the keel stub before I start drilling. It looks like 
it’s about one inch but its really hard to tell. The bilge is deep and maybe 
3-4 inches wide so a pilot hole is going to be a significant challenge. 

 

Len Mitchell

Crazy Legs

1989 37+

Midland On. 

 

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Stus-List Garboard plug 37/40

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Has anyone with a 37/40 installed a bilge drain for winter? I am interested in 
knowing the thickness of the keel stub before I start drilling. It looks like 
it’s about one inch but its really hard to tell. The bilge is deep and maybe 
3-4 inches wide so a pilot hole is going to be a significant challenge. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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