Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

2017-05-25 Thread Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Check for a firmware update for the radio.   Jerry

 

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From: John McKay via CnC-List 
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Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Thu, May 25, 2017 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506



I originated this issue.


Remove the ICOM radio from my network and the GNX 20 displays  functions. Left 
it running for two days and went out for a sail.


We found some date on line that some N2K compliant radios are not fully 
compatible.


Now have to come up with something so the DSC function on my ICOM works.


Thanks for all your comments


John on Enterprise
C&C 33 MK II
Komoka ON
 



 
 
 
 On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:03 AM, Dave via CnC-List  
wrote:

  

 

Agreed with Paul - my n2k/AIS ICOM m506 displays GPS data from the n2k Garmin 
antenna reliably.  In fact an alarm goes off to warn me of no gps data if I 
turn off the instruments but not the gps.  


Similarly, the ais data provided by the M506 displays on The Raymarine i70 
display.  So, it works both ways.


This worked all last season as well, so if there was an issue it predates late 
2015/2016.  (Radio purchased Jan 2016) 


What does not work is getting the AIS data to via gateway to devices outside 
the wired n2k network.   Working on that.


Dave




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On May 24, 2017, at 5:29 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:







Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception. 


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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20
 

>From a cruising forum.

So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
manual,the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 2000. 
The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.

Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for a 
firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.

So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still get 
AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able to make 
GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.

It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is not.

Jerry







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From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20



I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
everything on it and they have not suggested changes.


I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right next 
(T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin cannot 
explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.


Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.


John







On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:





Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.






Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI







On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:



John – 
 
Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available online.  
N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power consumption of 
all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure you’re inline.  
N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just in case that 
accidently happened.  
 
Others can probably provide more thoughts. 




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Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

2017-05-25 Thread John McKay via CnC-List 
I originated this issue.
Remove the ICOM radio from my network and the GNX 20 displays  functions. Left 
it running for two days and went out for a sail.
We found some date on line that some N2K compliant radios are not fully 
compatible.
Now have to come up with something so the DSC function on my ICOM works.
Thanks for all your comments
John on EnterpriseC&C 33 MK IIKomoka ON 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:03 AM, Dave via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Agreed with Paul - my n2k/AIS ICOM m506 displays GPS data from the n2k Garmin 
antenna reliably.  In fact an alarm goes off to warn me of no gps data if I 
turn off the instruments but not the gps.  
Similarly, the ais data provided by the M506 displays on The Raymarine i70 
display.  So, it works both ways.
This worked all last season as well, so if there was an issue it predates late 
2015/2016.  (Radio purchased Jan 2016) 
What does not work is getting the AIS data to via gateway to devices outside 
the wired n2k network.   Working on that.
Dave


Sent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2017, at 5:29 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:



Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception. 
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: CnC-List  on behalf of 
Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 From a cruising forum.

So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
manual,the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 2000. 
The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.

Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for a 
firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.

So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still get 
AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able to make 
GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.

It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is not.

Jerry



-Original Message-
From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20

I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
everything on it and they have not suggested changes.
I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right next 
(T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin cannot 
explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.
John


On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:
John –  Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available 
online.  N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power 
consumption of all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure 
you’re inline.  N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just in 
case that accidently happened.   Others can probably provide more thoughts. 
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

2017-05-24 Thread Dave via CnC-List 
Agreed with Paul - my n2k/AIS ICOM m506 displays GPS data from the n2k Garmin 
antenna reliably.  In fact an alarm goes off to warn me of no gps data if I 
turn off the instruments but not the gps.  

Similarly, the ais data provided by the M506 displays on The Raymarine i70 
display.  So, it works both ways.

This worked all last season as well, so if there was an issue it predates late 
2015/2016.  (Radio purchased Jan 2016) 

What does not work is getting the AIS data to via gateway to devices outside 
the wired n2k network.   Working on that.

Dave



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2017, at 5:29 AM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
> radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
> the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
> antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception. 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jerome Tauber via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jerome Tauber
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20
>  
> From a cruising forum.
> 
> So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
> manual, the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 
> 2000. The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.
> 
> Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
> when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
> obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for 
> a firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.
> 
> So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
> are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still 
> get AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able 
> to make GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.
> 
> It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is 
> not.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John McKay via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: John McKay 
> Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20
> 
> I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
> everything on it and they have not suggested changes.
> 
> I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right 
> next (T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
> flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin 
> cannot explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.
> 
> Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John – 
>  
> Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available 
> online.  N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power 
> consumption of all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure 
> you’re inline.  N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just 
> in case that accidently happened.  
>  
> Others can probably provide more thoughts. 
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> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:   
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20 now ICom 506

2017-05-24 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Not sure this is still the case ... I just installed an icom 506 AIS/ N2K 
radio, and it and my ray N2K MFD they recognized each other and the radio got 
the gps info right away, and the AIS info was showing on the MFD once the 
antenna was connected. There are no 0183 devices left on Perception.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jerome Tauber via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:56:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20

>From a cruising forum.

So my partner contacted ICOM UK, who said that despite what is printed in the 
manual, the Icom M506 does not support obtaining a GPS position over NMEA 2000. 
The menu option to select an NMEA 2000 GPS source does nothing.

Apparently they had compatibility issues with different manufacturers' MFDs 
when designing the radio, so at the last minute they pulled support for 
obtaining position information via NMEA 2000. They have asked ICOM Japan for a 
firmware update to fix this, but none has been forthcoming.

So caveat emptor. I would still recommend this radio, on the proviso that you 
are able to provide position info via NMEA 0183. Without it you will still get 
AIS on your plotter (but not the radio), but the radio will not be able to make 
GPS tagged DSC calls, which is obviously concerning.

It's advertised as a fully native NMEA 2000 device, but at this time it is not.

Jerry



-Original Message-
From: John McKay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: John McKay 
Sent: Tue, May 23, 2017 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garmin GNX 20

I believe my network is set up properly. I have given Garmin a schematic of 
everything on it and they have not suggested changes.

I failed to say in my original question that I have a GMI 20 display right next 
(T's attached to each other) to the GNX 20 display and the GMI 20 works 
flawlessly. I have switched the two drop cables between the T's. Garmin cannot 
explain why the GNX 20 fails and the GMI 20 continues flawlessly.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions so far.

John



On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:29 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Is your N2K network properly terminated?  Another thing to check.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On May 23, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

John –

Also check the voltage at the unit.  Pin-out of the cable is available online.  
N2K circuits have limits to the number of devices and the power consumption of 
all devices, length of cable, etc.   Double check to make sure you’re inline.  
N2k also has issues if multiple power supplies exist – just in case that 
accidently happened.

Others can probably provide more thoughts.
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