Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Reason is, you would have to reach over the evaporator to grab a cold beer if you install as you are suggesting. Jim from above has his mounted same way as mine. Against the back of the settee, running port/stbd with condenser under settee in front. This allows maximum access to deep portions of the reefer. It's a clean, efficient install IMO. I will grab pics when I can. Best, Kevin On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:12 AM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the > inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to > go. > > What is your reasoning for it's location? > I was going to do vertically against the sink, but the widest portion runs > bow/stern. > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:52 AM, allen via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Please get those pictures. I have yet to mount the partition for the ice >> box and see how the ice cube trays mount. My admiral is rather short so >> planning is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom. >> >> Allen >> >> *From:* Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Kevin Driscoll >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII >> >> Lorne, >> Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the >> inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to >> go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will >> have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for >> the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less >> attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward >> and use a vent cover like this one. >> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502 >> >> Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in >> that settee. Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I >> believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab >> pictures this weekend if I remember. >> >> Kevin >> 30-2 >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this >>> one? >>> On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the >>>> cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam >>>> around the box. There are pics in the project document. >>>> >>>> Dennis C. >>>> Touché 35-1 >>>> On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >>>>> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >>>>> How thick or good is the factory insulation? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If >>>>> you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>>> >>>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>> >> -- >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to go. What is your reasoning for it's location? I was going to do vertically against the sink, but the widest portion runs bow/stern. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:52 AM, allen via CnC-List wrote: > Please get those pictures. I have yet to mount the partition for the ice > box and see how the ice cube trays mount. My admiral is rather short so > planning is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom. > > Allen > > *From:* Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Kevin Driscoll > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII > > Lorne, > Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the > inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to > go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will > have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for > the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less > attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward > and use a vent cover like this one. > http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502 > > Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in > that settee. Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I > believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab > pictures this weekend if I remember. > > Kevin > 30-2 > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this >> one? >> On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> >>> Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the >>> cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam >>> around the box. There are pics in the project document. >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touché 35-1 >>> On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >>>> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >>>> How thick or good is the factory insulation? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>> >>> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> > -- > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Please get those pictures. I have yet to mount the partition for the ice box and see how the ice cube trays mount. My admiral is rather short so planning is essential if she's to be able to retrieve food from the bottom. Allen From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 2:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kevin Driscoll Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII Lorne, Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward and use a vent cover like this one.http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502 Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in that settee. Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab pictures this weekend if I remember. Kevin 30-2 On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List wrote: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this one? On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" wrote: Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam around the box. There are pics in the project document. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" wrote: I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. How thick or good is the factory insulation? Thanks ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Thanks guys for the tips/advice. On Jun 22, 2016 3:43 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Agreed. You might pull it, but don't expect the tutorial on the C&C > website to be relevant to our 30-2's. It's not very. > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:22 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Lorne, >> >> Since cutting the holes and passing the refrigerant lines is going to >> prevent pulling the liner in the future, I would suggest pulling the liner >> now to inspect and see it there are any opportunities to improve the >> insulation. Multiple authorities have cited additional insulation as being >> the single biggest improvement you can make to any refrigerator. >> >> This will also be the best time to inspect/replace the drain and hoses. >> No you're not going to be having much water but what little bit you do get >> it is nice to have a drain that works. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> On Jun 22, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, that's 2 people on its decent insulation. Guess I'll stop >>> worrying about adding more and just put in the fridge (oval shaped >>> condenser). >>> On Jun 22, 2016 12:21 PM, "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Lorne, >>>> >>>> I have a Novacool unit that came with the boat, not sure if it is >>>> original or not. On mine, the evaporator is on the settee side and the >>>> compressor is under the settee right next to the refrigerator compartment. >>>> I agree with Kevin's statement that the 30-2's are pretty well insulated. >>>> I keep ice in my freezer without issues, and food and beer stay cold in the >>>> refrigerator section. It's night and day compared to my 70's Catalina 27 >>>> that had an icebox with a wooden lid and no insulation anywhere! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jim Reinardy >>>> C&C 30-2 "Firewater" >>>> Milwaukee, WI >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:33:38 -0600 >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII >>>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. >>>> Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? >>>> I plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the >>>> sink. Any tip on install? >>>> On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated >>>> lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into >>>> the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it >>>> does, especially since you'll be on shore power. >>>> >>>> Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We >>>> keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At >>>> setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! >>>> >>>> Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are >>>> very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely >>>> need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In >>>> fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no >>>> insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a >>>> lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on >>>> this forum. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for liv
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Agreed. You might pull it, but don't expect the tutorial on the C&C website to be relevant to our 30-2's. It's not very. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:22 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Lorne, > > Since cutting the holes and passing the refrigerant lines is going to > prevent pulling the liner in the future, I would suggest pulling the liner > now to inspect and see it there are any opportunities to improve the > insulation. Multiple authorities have cited additional insulation as being > the single biggest improvement you can make to any refrigerator. > > This will also be the best time to inspect/replace the drain and hoses. > No you're not going to be having much water but what little bit you do get > it is nice to have a drain that works. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Jun 22, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" > wrote: > >> Thanks, that's 2 people on its decent insulation. Guess I'll stop >> worrying about adding more and just put in the fridge (oval shaped >> condenser). >> On Jun 22, 2016 12:21 PM, "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Lorne, >>> >>> I have a Novacool unit that came with the boat, not sure if it is >>> original or not. On mine, the evaporator is on the settee side and the >>> compressor is under the settee right next to the refrigerator compartment. >>> I agree with Kevin's statement that the 30-2's are pretty well insulated. >>> I keep ice in my freezer without issues, and food and beer stay cold in the >>> refrigerator section. It's night and day compared to my 70's Catalina 27 >>> that had an icebox with a wooden lid and no insulation anywhere! >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jim Reinardy >>> C&C 30-2 "Firewater" >>> Milwaukee, WI >>> >>> -- >>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:33:38 -0600 >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII >>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com >>> >>> Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. >>> Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? >>> I plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the >>> sink. Any tip on install? >>> On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated >>> lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into >>> the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it >>> does, especially since you'll be on shore power. >>> >>> Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We >>> keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At >>> setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! >>> >>> Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are >>> very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely >>> need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In >>> fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no >>> insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a >>> lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on >>> this forum. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >>> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >>> > How thick or good is the factory insulation? >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > >>> > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If >>> you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Lorne, Since cutting the holes and passing the refrigerant lines is going to prevent pulling the liner in the future, I would suggest pulling the liner now to inspect and see it there are any opportunities to improve the insulation. Multiple authorities have cited additional insulation as being the single biggest improvement you can make to any refrigerator. This will also be the best time to inspect/replace the drain and hoses. No you're not going to be having much water but what little bit you do get it is nice to have a drain that works. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jun 22, 2016 3:24 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" wrote: > Thanks, that's 2 people on its decent insulation. Guess I'll stop > worrying about adding more and just put in the fridge (oval shaped > condenser). > On Jun 22, 2016 12:21 PM, "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Lorne, >> >> I have a Novacool unit that came with the boat, not sure if it is >> original or not. On mine, the evaporator is on the settee side and the >> compressor is under the settee right next to the refrigerator compartment. >> I agree with Kevin's statement that the 30-2's are pretty well insulated. >> I keep ice in my freezer without issues, and food and beer stay cold in the >> refrigerator section. It's night and day compared to my 70's Catalina 27 >> that had an icebox with a wooden lid and no insulation anywhere! >> >> Regards, >> >> Jim Reinardy >> C&C 30-2 "Firewater" >> Milwaukee, WI >> >> -- >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:33:38 -0600 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com >> >> Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. >> Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? I >> plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the sink. >> Any tip on install? >> On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated >> lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into >> the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it >> does, especially since you'll be on shore power. >> >> Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep >> ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting >> 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! >> >> Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are >> very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely >> need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In >> fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no >> insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a >> lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on >> this forum. >> >> Bob >> >> > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> > >> > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >> > How thick or good is the factory insulation? >> > Thanks >> > >> > ___ >> > >> > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> Robert Boyer >> s/v Rainy Days >> C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 >> >> 2501 Boston Street >> Mailbox #505 >> Baltimore, MD 21224 >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Thanks, that's 2 people on its decent insulation. Guess I'll stop worrying about adding more and just put in the fridge (oval shaped condenser). On Jun 22, 2016 12:21 PM, "Jim Reinardy via CnC-List" wrote: > Lorne, > > I have a Novacool unit that came with the boat, not sure if it is original > or not. On mine, the evaporator is on the settee side and the compressor > is under the settee right next to the refrigerator compartment. I agree > with Kevin's statement that the 30-2's are pretty well insulated. I keep > ice in my freezer without issues, and food and beer stay cold in the > refrigerator section. It's night and day compared to my 70's Catalina 27 > that had an icebox with a wooden lid and no insulation anywhere! > > Regards, > > Jim Reinardy > C&C 30-2 "Firewater" > Milwaukee, WI > > ---------- > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:33:38 -0600 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com > > Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. > Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? I > plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the sink. > Any tip on install? > On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated lid > like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into the > cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it > does, especially since you'll be on shore power. > > Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep > ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting > 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! > > Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are > very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely > need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In > fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no > insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a > lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on > this forum. > > Bob > > > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > > Thanks > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > Robert Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 > > 2501 Boston Street > Mailbox #505 > Baltimore, MD 21224 > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ This list is supported by > the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help > us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Lorne, I have a Novacool unit that came with the boat, not sure if it is original or not. On mine, the evaporator is on the settee side and the compressor is under the settee right next to the refrigerator compartment. I agree with Kevin's statement that the 30-2's are pretty well insulated. I keep ice in my freezer without issues, and food and beer stay cold in the refrigerator section. It's night and day compared to my 70's Catalina 27 that had an icebox with a wooden lid and no insulation anywhere! Regards, Jim ReinardyC&C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:33:38 -0600 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: lorne.se...@gmail.com Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? I plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the sink. Any tip on install? On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" wrote: The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it does, especially since you'll be on shore power. Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on this forum. Bob > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List > wrote: > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I need > to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > Thanks > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! Robert Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 2501 Boston Street Mailbox #505 Baltimore, MD 21224 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Lorne, Go here:. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/refrigeration Dennis C. On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" wrote: > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > Thanks > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Lorne, The ice box isn't going to be accessible after you cut a hole through for your refridgerant lines. If you want to insulate before your install its possible. Start by removing the lid, then remove the gasket that the lid rests on. Under the gasket you will see that the box is screwed in all around from the top so it should lift out. I'm not sure how they attached the drain at the bottom at the factory because I see no access to it. Al RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 #90 From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lorne Serpa Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? I plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the sink. Any tip on install? On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" wrote: The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it does, especially since you'll be on shore power. Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on this forum. Bob > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List > wrote: > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I need > to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > Thanks > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! Robert Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 2501 Boston Street Mailbox #505 Baltimore, MD 21224 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Lorne, Our evaporator is vertical against the sink, but also forward on the inside of the box and the long dimension runs port-stbd. It's the way to go. Compressor is just under the settee forward of the stbd sink. You will have to cut a hole in the vertical fiberglass glass below the settee for the compressor to breath. Larger is better for compressor... And less attractive. Find a balance. I would do this on the portion facing forward and use a vent cover like this one. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/attwood--venturi-vents--P012_363_002_502 Essentially this would be below/behind yours knees if you were sitting in that settee. Overall it's a very clean and efficient installation. I believe other 30-2 owners would have a similar installation. I'll grab pictures this weekend if I remember. Kevin 30-2 On Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:31 PM Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this > one? > On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > >> Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the >> cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam >> around the box. There are pics in the project document. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touché 35-1 >> On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >>> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >>> How thick or good is the factory insulation? >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>> >>> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/icebox/build_icebox.htm this one? On Jun 21, 2016 8:02 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" wrote: > Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the cncphotoalbum > home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam around the box. > There are pics in the project document. > > Dennis C. > Touché 35-1 > On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" > wrote: > >> I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I >> need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. >> How thick or good is the factory insulation? >> Thanks >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Read about my refrigeration install. There is a link on the cncphotoalbum home page. There was about 1 1/8 inch open cell sheet foam around the box. There are pics in the project document. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 On Jun 21, 2016 6:17 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" wrote: > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > Thanks > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Sweet, thanks. I have an isotherm sitting in a box to install. Where did you put the compressor and where did you put the evaporator? I plan to put the evaporator vertical against the side closest to the sink. Any tip on install? On Jun 21, 2016 5:56 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it does, especially since you'll be on shore power. Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely > need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In > fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no > insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a > lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on > this forum. > > Bob > > > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > > Thanks > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > Robert Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 > > 2501 Boston Street > Mailbox #505 > Baltimore, MD 21224 > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
The 30-2's have are reasonably well insulated and do have an insulated lid like the other Rob Ball boats. I personally wouldn't go tearing into the cabinetry until after you install the refrigeration unit and see how it does, especially since you'll be on shore power. Our Isotherm does quite fine. The cooling setting goes from 1-10. We keep ours at 1.5, which keeps food frozen in the freezer compartment. At setting 2 the entire reefer begins to freeze! Lorne, wait for other 30-2 members to weigh in. 60's and 70's boats are very different than late 80's / early 90's boats. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:27 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely > need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In > fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no > insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a > lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on > this forum. > > Bob > > > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > > Thanks > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > Robert Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 > > 2501 Boston Street > Mailbox #505 > Baltimore, MD 21224 > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Thanks, I've read a lot about it, but didn't know how good the box is to start with. On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely > need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In > fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no > insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a > lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on > this forum. > > Bob > > > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I > need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > > Thanks > > > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > Robert Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 > > 2501 Boston Street > Mailbox #505 > Baltimore, MD 21224 > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
Our old boats were not designed for refrigeration. You will definitely need more insulation from what was originally supplied with the boat. In fact, if you look at the interior ceiling of your icebox, there is no insulation at all there unless a previous owner added some. There are a lot of discussions about converting the old ice boxes to refrigeration on this forum. Bob > On Jun 21, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List > wrote: > > I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I need > to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. > How thick or good is the factory insulation? > Thanks > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! Robert Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38, Hull #230 2501 Boston Street Mailbox #505 Baltimore, MD 21224 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List How good is the ice box? 1988 30MkII
I'm converting to a fridge/icebox for live aboard. I'm wondering if I need to spray some more foam somehow around the outside of the box. How thick or good is the factory insulation? Thanks ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
