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Per Garmin Tech Support and to clarify Bill’s comment below. Garmin’s units with Wifi built in do not require the $200 adaptor kit. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:13 AM To: Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. Bill, Wifi is built into the Ray for the Ray phone/tablet apps. Not for a laptop. I agree the old Ray stuff was not user-friendly, but the current stuff really is! Let us know what you select. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Lots of great info, thanks to all for their input. In reading the manuals many things become more clear. Garmin is a little more forthright in acknowledging that you need to pony up another 200 for a wifi module, and 300 for radio, Had to dig a little deeper in the Zeus to find that out. I am puzzled why they don’t build wifi in, it is in my dashcam and that is tiny and cheap. It looks to me that it IS built into the e7 Raymarine, can anyone clarify that? On the pictures of the back of the Zeus 8 it has Simrad molded into the case, so I guess that is what it really is. The reason I had not considered the Raymarine is that after going from a Garmin, which I consider very intuitive, the Ray was confounding, and poorly thought out, at least the RL-80. They seem to be making much nicer stuff now, especially since Jeppeson acquired them. JF, do you know if my Raymarine Autopilot will work seamlessly with the Zeus? It is 0183, the MKII around 10 years old. And thanks to Fred for the Garmin offer. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters _ That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards _ François Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Lots of great info, thanks to all for their input. In reading the manuals many things become more clear. Garmin is a little more forthright in acknowledging that you need to pony up another 200 for a wifi module, and 300 for radio, Had to dig a little deeper in the Zeus to find that out. I am puzzled why they dont build wifi in, it is in my dashcam and that is tiny and cheap. It looks to me that it IS built into the e7 Raymarine, can anyone clarify that? On the pictures of the back of the Zeus 8 it has Simrad molded into the case, so I guess that is what it really is. The reason I had not considered the Raymarine is that after going from a Garmin, which I consider very intuitive, the Ray was confounding, and poorly thought out, at least the RL-80. They seem to be making much nicer stuff now, especially since Jeppeson acquired them. JF, do you know if my Raymarine Autopilot will work seamlessly with the Zeus? It is 0183, the MKII around 10 years old. And thanks to Fred for the Garmin offer. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters _ That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards _ François Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bill, Wifi is built into the Ray for the Ray phone/tablet apps. Not for a laptop. I agree the old Ray stuff was not user-friendly, but the current stuff really is! Let us know what you select. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Lots of great info, thanks to all for their input. In reading the manuals many things become more clear. Garmin is a little more forthright in acknowledging that you need to pony up another 200 for a wifi module, and 300 for radio, Had to dig a little deeper in the Zeus to find that out. I am puzzled why they don’t build wifi in, it is in my dashcam and that is tiny and cheap. It looks to me that it IS built into the e7 Raymarine, can anyone clarify that? On the pictures of the back of the Zeus 8 it has Simrad molded into the case, so I guess that is what it really is. The reason I had not considered the Raymarine is that after going from a Garmin, which I consider very intuitive, the Ray was confounding, and poorly thought out, at least the RL-80. They seem to be making much nicer stuff now, especially since Jeppeson acquired them. JF, do you know if my Raymarine Autopilot will work seamlessly with the Zeus? It is 0183, the MKII around 10 years old. And thanks to Fred for the Garmin offer. Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:01 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters -- That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards -- *François Rivard* 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bill, That functionality will be in the the next release. The current version will upload images of your receding boat to the cloud. VBG - as Wal would say. Bob M On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought it you fell over and were watching your boat sail off into the sunset, it would be great to be able to pull your phone out of your pocket, assuming it still worked, and turn your boat around. Maybe the Remote would still do that, -- That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards -- *François Rivard* 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Jean-Francois, theyve both come thru to me on the list, win 7 pro, ie 11, along w/ both apologies! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters _ That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards _ François Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subje Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters ct: That zeus sounds interesting. Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards François 4111 Northside RivardPkwy, Nw Big Data Atlanta, Black Belt30327-3015 IBM Sales Usa Distribution, Software Sales Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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ditto...buy the E7 Harry MIRAGE Newport, RI Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks! I appreciate the heads up. Andy C C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton PO Box 632 Newport, RI USA 02840 +401 965 5260 On Jan 31, 2015, at 14:21, Eric Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Andy, Joel is correct about the touch screen on the e7. When it works (which is most of the time), it’s great, including the zooming and shrinking with two fingers. But even normal daysailing in a good wind (not just sailing to Bermuda), my fingers were wet enough that I could not get a good response by touching. So it was very helpful to have the joystick in those cases. Worth the extra price. Other than that, the Admiral and I really like the e7 (bought last spring). Eric Frank Cat's Paw CC 35 Mk II Mattapoisett, MA On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Andy, By the time I got back from Bermuda even the mirror in the head was covered in salt! The redundancy of the joystick and zoom wheel made it an inconvenience, not a problem. Several times we used the Rayremote software on the iPad to avoid crowding the helmsman. Joel On Friday, January 30, 2015, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wifi, Rick. How does salt water get on your screens? Mine will be mounted in the cockpit so it should never get wet. Or are you guys THAT kind of sailor? The kind that sails in splashy weather when all prudent mariners are at the bar... :) Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have an E7. You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use than the E7's after a few days of salt spray. I did not play with the new BG or Garmin stuff. The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen. I like having the joystick. Joel On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bill - I'm thinking about going down that same path and interested in what you learn about BG and Garmin chartplotters. Both have wireless capability with ipad control, which is very attractive. It'd be ideal to play with each for a while. My only experience with BG is adding a Triton Display on my Garmin network (replaced 1 of 3 Garmin GMIs). Seamless integration, very good functionality and easy to use once you learn the quirks. I also have a Raymarine autopilot w/display on the network. Marginal at best. Good luck and stay in touch on this. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I guess it is all what you are used to, I have a Zeus Touch T7 on Firewater and like it very much, though part of the attraction is the full integration with my Triton instruments, which makes it like a big instrument display in addition to being a chartplotter. I have not really needed the manual for regular use. The one thing about the BG system that is not obvious is the need for some additional pieces. The Zeus T7 at least comes with very limited charts, the T8 may be better in that regard. I felt the need to buy charts to even get the breakwall in our harbor on the cart. The other issue is that it really needs an external compass transducer to properly function even as a chartplotter. There is another optional piece, which I have, to give you iPad control as Andy describes below, so it definitely is available. The bottom line is that the price of the T8 alone may not be the true cost to give you the features you want. I think with any of these you need to evaluate it in light of the integration opportunities with other instruments and sensors. If you have relatively current Raymarine instruments, they might well talk to the E7. If you have BG, they might well talk to a Zeus unit. They aren’t just chartplotters any more, they really are designed to be part of a system. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Sent from Windows Mail From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:50 AM To: Bill Coleman, cnc-list@cnc-list.com I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Andrew wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. Hmm. I helped someone (a totally blind cane-wielding sailor) move his boat a few months ago, and actually was able to use the Raymarine instruments without reading a manual. That said, I sill love my Nexus NX2 system, which has not failed in over a decade. It's probably as//intuitive. Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have a Zeus Touch T8 on Avalanche and I also like it a lot. I also have a
Triton display and some other devices to get my old BG Hornet4 data to the N2K
network. Integration is easy as all devices see each others on the network.
Jim is right, the included charts are very limited, and it is for all the first
generation of Zeus Touch. I had to get C-Map Max-N for the great lakes. I
recently find a way to get BSB charts on my Zeus.
Layline and some other feature require a compass. The ZG100 ($200) will do the
job very well, but is not enough for autopilot or MARPA witch require more
precision (like the RC42). The ZG100 will also give heel, trim and faster more
precise GPS data. And for Wifi, a WIFI-1 ($220) or any other router is
required. The WIFI-1 is a lot easier to install.
I went through the manual of the new Zeus2, and from what I see, the first
generation Zeus Touch will do almost everything the new Zeus2 does. Zeus2 is
faster and has the 2 finger zoom feature, and they will add some cloud feature
to the Zeus2 this spring.
Up to now, I don't regret going with BG. I even found a good contact at Navico
for support
Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche #54988
CC38-3 WK, hull #76
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I guess it is all what you are used to, I have a Zeus Touch T7 on Firewater
and like it very much, though part of the attraction is the full integration
with my Triton instruments, which makes it like a big instrument display in
addition to being a chartplotter. I have not really needed the manual for
regular use.
The one thing about the BG system that is not obvious is the need for some
additional pieces. The Zeus T7 at least comes with very limited charts, the T8
may be better in that regard. I felt the need to buy charts to even get the
breakwall in our harbor on the cart. The other issue is that it really needs
an external compass transducer to properly function even as a chartplotter.
There is another optional piece, which I have, to give you iPad control as Andy
describes below, so it definitely is available. The bottom line is that the
price of the T8 alone may not be the true cost to give you the features you
want.
I think with any of these you need to evaluate it in light of the integration
opportunities with other instruments and sensors. If you have relatively
current Raymarine instruments, they might well talk to the E7. If you have
BG, they might well talk to a Zeus unit. They aren’t just chartplotters any
more, they really are designed to be part of a system. Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
Jim ReinardyCC 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI
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I have to agree with Joel about the Raymarine touch screen in a saltwater environment. And, Joel, it isn’t just the plotter on your boat. I’ve had the same experience on two other boats recently, and the electronics guy who does much of the work in my area steered a customer refitting a Pacific Seacraft 37 away from the Raymarine for that reason. On the other hand, I find the touch screen on the Garmin 7series work quite well. I was pleasantly surprised. As far as software, I find the Garmin more intuitive than the Raymarine. But I’ve had more experience with Garmin plotters over the years, so I suppose that’s sort of an Android vs. iOS thing and not a real difference in capabilities. Andy, do you mean WiFi or Bluetooth? The newer Garmin plotters will also interface with a tablet using Bluetooth. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:08 PM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I have an E7. You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use than the E7's after a few days of salt spray. I did not play with the new BG or Garmin stuff. The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen. I like having the joystick. Joel On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Wifi, Rick. How does salt water get on your screens? Mine will be mounted in the cockpit so it should never get wet. Or are you guys THAT kind of sailor? The kind that sails in splashy weather when all prudent mariners are at the bar... :) Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have to agree with Joel about the Raymarine touch screen in a saltwater environment. And, Joel, it isn’t just the plotter on your boat. I’ve had the same experience on two other boats recently, and the electronics guy who does much of the work in my area steered a customer refitting a Pacific Seacraft 37 away from the Raymarine for that reason. On the other hand, I find the touch screen on the Garmin 7series work quite well. I was pleasantly surprised. As far as software, I find the Garmin more intuitive than the Raymarine. But I’ve had more experience with Garmin plotters over the years, so I suppose that’s sort of an Android vs. iOS thing and not a real difference in capabilities. Andy, do you mean WiFi or Bluetooth? The newer Garmin plotters will also interface with a tablet using Bluetooth. Rick Brass Washington, NC *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:08 PM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I have an E7. You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use than the E7's after a few days of salt spray. I did not play with the new BG or Garmin stuff. The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen. I like having the joystick. Joel On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi, A Raymarine tech mentioned that at the upcoming Miami boat show they will be releasing redesigns of everything except auto pilots. I am not buying now, just trivia Don On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have to agree with Joel about the Raymarine touch screen in a saltwater environment. And, Joel, it isn’t just the plotter on your boat. I’ve had the same experience on two other boats recently, and the electronics guy who does much of the work in my area steered a customer refitting a Pacific Seacraft 37 away from the Raymarine for that reason. On the other hand, I find the touch screen on the Garmin 7series work quite well. I was pleasantly surprised. As far as software, I find the Garmin more intuitive than the Raymarine. But I’ve had more experience with Garmin plotters over the years, so I suppose that’s sort of an Android vs. iOS thing and not a real difference in capabilities. Andy, do you mean WiFi or Bluetooth? The newer Garmin plotters will also interface with a tablet using Bluetooth. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:08 PM To: Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I have an E7. You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use than the E7's after a few days of salt spray. I did not play with the new BG or Garmin stuff. The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen. I like having the joystick. Joel On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have a Garmin 741 with touchscreen and WiFi and am very happy with it. The touch screen works well and is pretty intuitive - especially if you've used Garmin before. Using the WiFi with an iPAD is great. I can either use the Garmin Bluechart navigation program using the boat's GPS location or can use the iPAD as a remote station using Garmin Helm. This let's me see and control exactly what the unit at the helm has and lets me lay in a new course for the helmsman or, if the autopilot is on, the change the autopilot remotely. Steve 1983 CC 37 Impromptu -Original Message- From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:22 PM To: 'Bill Coleman' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters Bill - I'm thinking about going down that same path and interested in what you learn about BG and Garmin chartplotters. Both have wireless capability with ipad control, which is very attractive. It'd be ideal to play with each for a while. My only experience with BG is adding a Triton Display on my Garmin network (replaced 1 of 3 Garmin GMIs). Seamless integration, very good functionality and easy to use once you learn the quirks. I also have a Raymarine autopilot w/display on the network. Marginal at best. Good luck and stay in touch on this. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have been a big Garmin fan, but a couple of things they have done lately have soured me. Specifically, ending support for the old Garmin proprietary chip devices, including no more charting updates. I can see moving to the SD card, in fact I thought they were crazy to have their own format in the first place, but to discontinue mapping support for a series of devices only 5 years old...is not good. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 30 January 2015 at 09:38, Steve Sharkey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a Garmin 741 with touchscreen and WiFi and am very happy with it. The touch screen works well and is pretty intuitive - especially if you've used Garmin before. Using the WiFi with an iPAD is great. I can either use the Garmin Bluechart navigation program using the boat's GPS location or can use the iPAD as a remote station using Garmin Helm. This let's me see and control exactly what the unit at the helm has and lets me lay in a new course for the helmsman or, if the autopilot is on, the change the autopilot remotely. Steve 1983 CC 37 Impromptu -Original Message- From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:22 PM To: 'Bill Coleman' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters Bill - I'm thinking about going down that same path and interested in what you learn about BG and Garmin chartplotters. Both have wireless capability with ipad control, which is very attractive. It'd be ideal to play with each for a while. My only experience with BG is adding a Triton Display on my Garmin network (replaced 1 of 3 Garmin GMIs). Seamless integration, very good functionality and easy to use once you learn the quirks. I also have a Raymarine autopilot w/display on the network. Marginal at best. Good luck and stay in touch on this. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Andy, By the time I got back from Bermuda even the mirror in the head was covered in salt! The redundancy of the joystick and zoom wheel made it an inconvenience, not a problem. Several times we used the Rayremote software on the iPad to avoid crowding the helmsman. Joel On Friday, January 30, 2015, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wifi, Rick. How does salt water get on your screens? Mine will be mounted in the cockpit so it should never get wet. Or are you guys THAT kind of sailor? The kind that sails in splashy weather when all prudent mariners are at the bar... :) Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: I have to agree with Joel about the Raymarine touch screen in a saltwater environment. And, Joel, it isn’t just the plotter on your boat. I’ve had the same experience on two other boats recently, and the electronics guy who does much of the work in my area steered a customer refitting a Pacific Seacraft 37 away from the Raymarine for that reason. On the other hand, I find the touch screen on the Garmin 7series work quite well. I was pleasantly surprised. As far as software, I find the Garmin more intuitive than the Raymarine. But I’ve had more experience with Garmin plotters over the years, so I suppose that’s sort of an Android vs. iOS thing and not a real difference in capabilities. Andy, do you mean WiFi or Bluetooth? The newer Garmin plotters will also interface with a tablet using Bluetooth. Rick Brass Washington, NC *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2015 12:08 PM *To:* Andrew Burton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters I have an E7. You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use than the E7's after a few days of salt spray. I did not play with the new BG or Garmin stuff. The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen. I like having the joystick. Joel On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG. I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru. Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my iPad. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one of the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose, etc, that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup. Particularly the Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak. Any Comments? Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin anymore. I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling below their suggested prices. ? Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 andrewburtonyachtservices http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 andrewburtonyachtservices http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 -- Joel 301
