Re: Stus-List Loctite sealant for marine use? Maybe not?

[Bmue via CnC-List]

Correct, we've tightened up the rail a couple of years ago. still finding butyl 
blobs occasionally inside the boat. I used the poly caulk along the toerail and 
the deck, so don't think it even touched the butyl. We left it to cure for a 
month (boat was stored indoors). BTW I could get the loctite here only sika and 
or quikcrete ...welcome to Canada.
The reason I brought it up is that after it cured it still reacted with the 
interlux brightside - it was supposed to be paintable...
However, Seems to have solved the drips we used to get when it was raining 
hard. But we had a little water come in when we raced last week (rail happened 
to be in the water occasionally? so next step is to use the washable marker 
idea that was suggested, and see if we can ID the exact location and try and 
tighten a bit more. If there is anything left to tighten...

Has anybody ever removed the toerail etc and redone the butyl? It has to be a 
huge job - probably too much trouble for the few drips we are getting so far? 

Thanks for all the good suggestions.
Bettina
C 25 Savannah

> On Jun 1, 2016, at 20:33, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Well not everybody has any Butyl left in their joints to squeeze. I agree I 
> wouldn't use the self leveling unless as a last resort, which I believe it's 
> more or less the situation the original poster is in. Additionally, the PLS40 
> is the one recommended in the article (did anybody RTFA;? I imagine that 
> warning is true of any polyurethane sealant. 3m 4200 has a less explicit, 
> though similar warning.
> 
> I value the scientific approach of Practical Sailor more than internet forums 
> in general, be it SA or C Additionally, searching the forum is a pain in 
> the ass. That is unless you have all day to sort through endless replies that 
> may or may not be helpful (like this one).
> 
> That said, I value much of the experience and help I find here!
> 
> Hope this forum doesn't go dark all of a sudden one day since only one person 
> hold the keys.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016, 6:33 PM Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hum, 
>> 
>> I clicked on the Loctite link below, and it’s NOT recommended with butyl!  
>> WHAT?  I thought my hull/deck joint was put together with butyl, so it could 
>> be tightened up - only if leaking.  It’s lasted 32 years, so C got a lot 
>> right!  Not sure I’d want to risk/mess with that record. . . 
>> 
>> Remember folks lots of people have to reinvent the wheel, every Spring.  
>> It’s often good to check the archives and what’s worked in the past.
>> 
>> Just checking, Lee
>> 
>> 
>> Not Recommended For
>> 
>> Exterior applications when rain is expected before sealant reaches initial 
>> cure
>> Vertical surface repair (use on horizontal surfaces only)
>> Aircraft runway or tarmac use
>> Joint depths greater than 3/8' (9.5 mm) without the use of a backer rod. In 
>> joints deeper than 3/8' (9.5 mm) the sealant may bubble if applied too deep 
>> or if substrate is not absolutely dry
>> Contact with oil-based caulking compounds, butyl caulking compounds and 
>> silicone sealants(Uncured and cured)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agreed. I just like that someone has been testing the Loctite polyurethane 
>>> for the past 10 years, above and below the waterline. Quikcrete and Loctite 
>>> are the same price point more or less. Take a look at the article. Good 
>>> read.
>>> 
 On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM S Thomas via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 The Quikrete product is intended for buildings.
 Doesn't mean it won't work for other things.
  
  
 http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Paint-D%C3%A9cor/Maintenance/Concrete-Sealer-Supp/Cement-Acc/Miscellaneous/300mL-Grey-Self-Leveling-Polyurethane-Sealant/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I2622729?Ntt=self+leveling
  
 Steve.
 Which one did you use Bettina? The article mentions Loctite PLS20, PLS 40, 
 and but no Quikcrete. Looks like Loctite has also come out with a Marine 
 version.
 
 Loctite Polyurethene here 
 Practical Sailor Article here
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 
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Re: Stus-List Loctite sealant for marine use? Maybe not?

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Well not everybody has any Butyl left in their joints to squeeze. I agree I
wouldn't use the self leveling unless as a last resort, which I believe
it's more or less the situation the original poster is in. Additionally,
the PLS40 is the one recommended in the article (did anybody RTFA;? I
imagine that warning is true of any polyurethane sealant. 3m 4200 has a
less explicit, though similar warning.

I value the scientific approach of Practical Sailor more than internet
forums in general, be it SA or C Additionally, searching the forum is a
pain in the ass. That is unless you have all day to sort through endless
replies that may or may not be helpful (like this one).

That said, I value much of the experience and help I find here!

Hope this forum doesn't go dark all of a sudden one day since only one
person hold the keys.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016, 6:33 PM Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hum,
>
> I clicked on the Loctite link below, and it’s NOT recommended with butyl!
> WHAT?  I thought my hull/deck joint was put together with butyl, so it
> could be tightened up - only if leaking.  It’s lasted 32 years, so C got
> a lot right!  Not sure I’d want to risk/mess with that record. . .
>
> Remember folks lots of people have to reinvent the wheel, every Spring.
> It’s often good to check the archives and what’s worked in the past.
>
> Just checking, Lee
>
>
> Not Recommended For
>
>- Exterior applications when rain is expected before sealant reaches
>initial cure
>- Vertical surface repair (use on horizontal surfaces only)
>- Aircraft runway or tarmac use
>- Joint depths greater than 3/8' (9.5 mm) without the use of a backer
>rod. In joints deeper than 3/8' (9.5 mm) the sealant may bubble if applied
>too deep or if substrate is not absolutely dry
>- Contact with oil-based caulking compounds, butyl caulking compounds
>and silicone sealants(Uncured and cured)
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed. I just like that someone has been testing the Loctite polyurethane
> 
> for the past 10 years, *above *and *below *the waterline. Quikcrete
> 
> and Loctite
> 
> are the same price point more or less. Take a look at the article. Good
> read.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM S Thomas via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Quikrete product is intended for buildings.
>> Doesn't mean it won't work for other things.
>>
>>
>
>> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Paint-D%C3%A9cor/Maintenance/Concrete-Sealer-Supp/Cement-Acc/Miscellaneous/300mL-Grey-Self-Leveling-Polyurethane-Sealant/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I2622729?Ntt=self+leveling
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>> Which one did you use Bettina? The article mentions Loctite PLS20, PLS
>> 40, and but no Quikcrete. Looks like Loctite has also come out with a
>> Marine version.
>>
>> Loctite Polyurethene here
>> 
>>
>> Practical Sailor Article here
>> 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>>
>>
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Stus-List Loctite sealant for marine use? Maybe not?

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hum, 

I clicked on the Loctite link below, and it’s NOT recommended with butyl!  
WHAT?  I thought my hull/deck joint was put together with butyl, so it could be 
tightened up - only if leaking.  It’s lasted 32 years, so C got a lot right!  
Not sure I’d want to risk/mess with that record. . .  

Remember folks lots of people have to reinvent the wheel, every Spring.  It’s 
often good to check the archives and what’s worked in the past.

Just checking, Lee


Not Recommended For

Exterior applications when rain is expected before sealant reaches initial cure
Vertical surface repair (use on horizontal surfaces only)
Aircraft runway or tarmac use
Joint depths greater than 3/8' (9.5 mm) without the use of a backer rod. In 
joints deeper than 3/8' (9.5 mm) the sealant may bubble if applied too deep or 
if substrate is not absolutely dry
Contact with oil-based caulking compounds, butyl caulking compounds and 
silicone sealants(Uncured and cured)



On Jun 1, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Agreed. I just like that someone has been testing the Loctite polyurethane 
> for the past 10 years, above and below the waterline. Quikcrete and Loctite 
> are the same price point more or less. Take a look at the article. Good read.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM S Thomas via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> The Quikrete product is intended for buildings.
> Doesn't mean it won't work for other things.
>  
>  
> http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Paint-D%C3%A9cor/Maintenance/Concrete-Sealer-Supp/Cement-Acc/Miscellaneous/300mL-Grey-Self-Leveling-Polyurethane-Sealant/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I2622729?Ntt=self+leveling
>  
> Steve.
> Which one did you use Bettina? The article mentions Loctite PLS20, PLS 40, 
> and but no Quikcrete. Looks like Loctite has also come out with a Marine 
> version.
> 
> Loctite Polyurethene here 
> Practical Sailor Article here
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 

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