Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Absolutely!!!


On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 10:45:20 AM EDT, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
The other help for the Whale is to use it! I found after many years of non-use 
(I use the small electric pump to empty the bilge) the pump and diaphragms had 
dried out. Replaced it and use it every few weeks, just to keep everything 
flexible inside. Can’t give you a long-term success story because the pump is 
only a few years old.

Gary

  

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

  

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.

  

Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.

  

BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.

  

Dennis C. 

  

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Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 

  

Chris 


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I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.

  

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.

  

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

  

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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

  

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

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Agreed.  I ran into the same issue.

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The other help for the Whale is to use it! I found after many years of non-use 
(I use the small electric pump to empty the bilge) the pump and diaphragms had 
dried out. Replaced it and use it every few weeks, just to keep everything 
flexible inside. Can’t give you a long-term success story because the pump is 
only a few years old.

Gary

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

 

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.

 

Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.

 

BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.

 

Dennis C. 

 

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 wrote:

  Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 

   

  Chris 


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  On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.

 

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all 
the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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  The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be 
compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a 
better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

  Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

   

  Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The other help for the Whale is to use it! I found after many years of non-use 
(I use the small electric pump to empty the bilge) the pump and diaphragms had 
dried out. Replaced it and use it every few weeks, just to keep everything 
flexible inside. Can’t give you a long-term success story because the pump is 
only a few years old.

Gary

 

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Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

 

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.

 

Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.

 

BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.

 

Dennis C. 

 

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:56 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 

 

Chris 


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.

 

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

 

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Take it out and take it apart. Mine, like Dave’s was corroded so badly that 
replacement was the only answer.

 

Gary

1980 30-1

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

 

Thanks Dave, any idea if the stock pump is repairable? I’m fine with it if it is


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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 5:16 PM, Dave. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have had to replace my manual whale gusher pumps twice over the years. My 
problem was not the diaphragm but the metal itself. I can’t remember for sure 
but I think the housing is aluminum but in any case the salt water erodes the 
metal and the seals no longer seal. Only way to tell is to disassemble the pump.

Good luck.

Dave.

SLY 1975 C&C 33

 

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On Oct 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

 

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thanks for the link Neil!!Chris 


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https://www.whalepumps.com/marine/product.aspx?Category_ID=10009&Product_ID=10006&FriendlyID=Double-Acting-Mk-5
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
 
 On 10/18/2018 8:56 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:
  
 Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water.  
  Chris 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 
On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
   I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded. 
  The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all 
the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it. 
  Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA  
   On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
  The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be 
compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a 
better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
 
 Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’? 
  Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Great tip!! Thank you Dennis. Got some projects for the spring :) Chris


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 9:11 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.
Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.
BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.
Dennis C. 
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:56 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.
The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

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https://www.whalepumps.com/marine/product.aspx?Category_ID=10009&Product_ID=10006&FriendlyID=Double-Acting-Mk-5

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/18/2018 8:56 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:
Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or 
still using corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in 
this day an age particularly around salt water.


Chris


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale
Gushers.  I've replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years. 
Both times the sealing surface for the flapper style check valves
were corroded.

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation,
coated all the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then
installed it.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to
be compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to
replace it or install a better system in the lazarette, such
as a whale or something similar?

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

Chris
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I
think there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a
plastic pump which may or may not be an issue.

Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.

BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock
water in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long
periods.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:56 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still
> using corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an
> age particularly around salt water.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've
> replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing
> surface for the flapper style check valves were corroded.
>
> The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated
> all the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be
> compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install
> a better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar?
>
> Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
>
> Chris
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Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 
Chris 


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 wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.
The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing
surface for the flapper style check valves were corroded.

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all
the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be
> compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install
> a better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar?
>
> Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
>
> Chris
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Thanks Neil!
I think I've read a few accounts of the metal (be it aluminum or cast) 
deteriorating and causing the failure of the pump seal. I'll definitely have a 
look at that!

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 11:12:58 PM EDT, Neil Gallagher via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
  Following up on Rick's comment, I found on my Whale Gusher pump that the 
flappers were not working because the internal threads for the screws that hold 
them in place had corroded in the tapped holes in the pump body.  The metal was 
some cast alloy and it wasn't just stripped threads, there was no material left 
to tap oversized threads; in other words, it was junk.  Maybe Devcon would have 
worked, but I replaced it with a plastic body version, works fine.
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
 On 10/17/2018 9:17 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 That very well could be it Rick!! I haven’t pulled it apart or really gotten 
into it yet and it may need to wait for spring as the days are shorter and the 
snow is on its way.  
  I wasn’t sure if there was a check valve in the system or not and the 
previous owner was unsure. She has a brand new electric bilge pump but not sure 
that has a check valve either. Something I was going to install next season  
  Thanks for the tip. I’ll see what I find :) 
  Chris  
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 9:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale Gusher. At least 
the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.
 
  
 
My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the inlet and outlet 
of the pump. They no longer sealed properly  after 25 or 30 years in place. A 
relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and a few hours labor fixed the problem.
 
  
 
On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit sole. The 
hardest part of the repair was crawling down there  to remove the pump and then 
reinstalling it later.
 
  
 
Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of projects on my 38.
 
  
 
Rick Brass
 
Washington, NC
 
  
 
  
 
  

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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
 
 Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
  
  
   
Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Following up on Rick's comment, I found on my Whale Gusher pump that the 
flappers were not working because the internal threads for the screws 
that hold them in place had corroded in the tapped holes in the pump 
body.  The metal was some cast alloy and it wasn't just stripped 
threads, there was no material left to tap oversized threads; in other 
words, it was junk.  Maybe Devcon would have worked, but I replaced it 
with a plastic body version, works fine.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 10/17/2018 9:17 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:


That very well could be it Rick!! I haven’t pulled it apart or really 
gotten into it yet and it may need to wait for spring as the days are 
shorter and the snow is on its way.


I wasn’t sure if there was a check valve in the system or not and the 
previous owner was unsure. She has a brand new electric bilge pump but 
not sure that has a check valve either. Something I was going to 
install next season


Thanks for the tip. I’ll see what I find :)

Chris

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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 9:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale
Gusher. At least the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.

My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the
inlet and outlet of the pump. They no longer sealed properly after
25 or 30 years in place. A relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and
a few hours labor fixed the problem.

On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit
sole. The hardest part of the repair was crawling down there to
remove the pump and then reinstalling it later.

Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of
projects on my 38.

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be
compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it
or install a better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or
something similar?

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

Chris
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

That very well could be it Rick!! I haven’t pulled it apart or really gotten 
into it yet and it may need to wait for spring as the days are shorter and the 
snow is on its way. 
I wasn’t sure if there was a check valve in the system or not and the previous 
owner was unsure. She has a brand new electric bilge pump but not sure that has 
a check valve either. Something I was going to install next season 
Thanks for the tip. I’ll see what I find :)
Chris 
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I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale Gusher. At least 
the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.

  

My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the inlet and outlet 
of the pump. They no longer sealed properly after 25 or 30 years in place. A 
relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and a few hours labor fixed the problem.

  

On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit sole. The 
hardest part of the repair was crawling down there to remove the pump and then 
reinstalling it later.

  

Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of projects on my 38.

  

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

  

  

  

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Subject: Stus-List Manual bilge

  

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

  

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale Gusher. At least 
the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.

 

My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the inlet and outlet 
of the pump. They no longer sealed properly after 25 or 30 years in place. A 
relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and a few hours labor fixed the problem.

 

On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit sole. The 
hardest part of the repair was crawling down there to remove the pump and then 
reinstalling it later.

 

Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of projects on my 38.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Manual bilge

 

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

 

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

If it’s a Whale Gusher, you can get a service kit e.g. 
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/whale-pumps--gusher-mk3-service-kit--358259 
.  
I serviced Grenadine’s manual bilge pump (a Whale Gusher 10) with one of those 
kits a couple years ago after the diaphragm ruptured.  It’s worked fine since.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:53 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be 
> compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a 
> better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
> 
> Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
> 
> Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Lol!!Thanks Steve!!


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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 5:34 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
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I have a 26’. The pump works but I have found that a long manual pump placed in 
the bilge itself with the outflow hose pointed into a nearby 5-gallon bucket 
was less (pumping) work and quicker. Having said that, hauling a five-gallon 
bucket (repeatedly) up the steps in order to dump it into the cockpit provides 
some serious weight lifting exercise. Plus, there is the imperative to not to 
slosh any of the brown water with dead wasps onto the galley area while 
ascending the ladder with the bucket.
 
  
 
Accordingly, choose your preferred form of exercise: outside repetitive arm 
movement or inside lower-back weight lifting.  
 
  
 
Steve Staten
 
“C’ Est La Vie”
 
C&C 26’
 
Langley, Oklahoma
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[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

I have a 26’. The pump works but I have found that a long manual pump placed in 
the bilge itself with the outflow hose pointed into a nearby 5-gallon bucket 
was less (pumping) work and quicker. Having said that, hauling a five-gallon 
bucket (repeatedly) up the steps in order to dump it into the cockpit provides 
some serious weight lifting exercise. Plus, there is the imperative to not to 
slosh any of the brown water with dead wasps onto the galley area while 
ascending the ladder with the bucket.

Accordingly, choose your preferred form of exercise: outside repetitive arm 
movement or inside lower-back weight lifting.

Steve Staten
“C’ Est La Vie”
C&C 26’
Langley, Oklahoma
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thanks Dave, any idea if the stock pump is repairable? I’m fine with it if it is


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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 5:16 PM, Dave. via CnC-List 
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I have had to replace my manual whale gusher pumps twice over the years. My 
problem was not the diaphragm but the metal itself. I can’t remember for sure 
but I think the housing is aluminum but in any case the salt water erodes the 
metal and the seals no longer seal. Only way to tell is to disassemble the 
pump.Good luck.Dave.SLY 1975 C&C 33


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On Oct 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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[Dave. via CnC-List]

I have had to replace my manual whale gusher pumps twice over the years. My 
problem was not the diaphragm but the metal itself. I can’t remember for sure 
but I think the housing is aluminum but in any case the salt water erodes the 
metal and the seals no longer seal. Only way to tell is to disassemble the pump.
Good luck.
Dave.
SLY 1975 C&C 33


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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be 
> compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a 
> better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
> 
> Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
> 
> Chris 
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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