Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
They are definitely hangar bolts and they are lagged into 3/4" plywood under the glass. I managed to cram a Raritan PHII in there, but it was a tight squeeze. Make sure you seal the old holes with epoxy, otherwise the base will rot out and you will one day catapult out of the bog with the toilet attached. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 11 April 2016 at 14:13, Bruce Pope via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks guys. Based on your knowledge I am now pretty certain that the > existing bolts are hanger bolts bedded into fiberglass/plywood. I will > shop around here for SS versions of those and/or lag bolts. Thanks Ed for > the heads up on the seat lifting/opening. I will make sure to check that > before drilling. > > My boat is 2.5 hrs drive from home and is in the middle of nowhere so if I > get to it without the right hardware, I am hooped. > > Really helps having others provide advice so I can go back out with the > right gear in my bag! > > -- > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Edward > Levert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 1:38 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Edward Levert > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch > > Bruce: > > I recently replaced the original head on my 1981 C 34. The original > "bolts" were not bolts at all but were what I think are called hanger bolts > - part screw and part bolt. The screw part was into the pan on which the > head sits. The head was held down by cap nuts. Remove the head and back out > the hanger bolts. I carefully measured for the base of the new head, > drilled, and used SS lag bolts. The new head mounts firmly. > > I did run into a placement problem. A wall of the head compartment was > angled thus reducing the space directly behind the head. I had the new head > bolted down and plumbed. When I put the toilet seat on, the angled wall > prevented the seat from lifting/opening fully. Solved the problem by > reversing the side of the pump relative to the bowl but had to re-drill for > the lag bolts. Good luck. > > Ed > Briar Patch C 34 > New Orleans, La. > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> >> I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new >> Jabsco.The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan >> that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does >> not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. >> Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the >> thickness of the pan. >> >> Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? >> >> Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? >> >> I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the >> pan is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. >> >> I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with >> resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. >> >> >> >> Bruce >> >> s/v 'Gyrfalcon' >> >> '86 C 29 MK II >> >> Kootenay Lake, BC >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
Thanks guys. Based on your knowledge I am now pretty certain that the existing bolts are hanger bolts bedded into fiberglass/plywood. I will shop around here for SS versions of those and/or lag bolts. Thanks Ed for the heads up on the seat lifting/opening. I will make sure to check that before drilling. My boat is 2.5 hrs drive from home and is in the middle of nowhere so if I get to it without the right hardware, I am hooped. Really helps having others provide advice so I can go back out with the right gear in my bag! From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Edward Levert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edward Levert Subject: Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch Bruce: I recently replaced the original head on my 1981 C 34. The original "bolts" were not bolts at all but were what I think are called hanger bolts - part screw and part bolt. The screw part was into the pan on which the head sits. The head was held down by cap nuts. Remove the head and back out the hanger bolts. I carefully measured for the base of the new head, drilled, and used SS lag bolts. The new head mounts firmly. I did run into a placement problem. A wall of the head compartment was angled thus reducing the space directly behind the head. I had the new head bolted down and plumbed. When I put the toilet seat on, the angled wall prevented the seat from lifting/opening fully. Solved the problem by reversing the side of the pump relative to the bowl but had to re-drill for the lag bolts. Good luck. Ed Briar Patch C 34 New Orleans, La. On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hello. I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new Jabsco. The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the thickness of the pan. Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the pan is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. Bruce s/v 'Gyrfalcon' '86 C 29 MK II Kootenay Lake, BC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
Bruce: I recently replaced the original head on my 1981 C 34. The original "bolts" were not bolts at all but were what I think are called hanger bolts - part screw and part bolt. The screw part was into the pan on which the head sits. The head was held down by cap nuts. Remove the head and back out the hanger bolts. I carefully measured for the base of the new head, drilled, and used SS lag bolts. The new head mounts firmly. I did run into a placement problem. A wall of the head compartment was angled thus reducing the space directly behind the head. I had the new head bolted down and plumbed. When I put the toilet seat on, the angled wall prevented the seat from lifting/opening fully. Solved the problem by reversing the side of the pump relative to the bowl but had to re-drill for the lag bolts. Good luck. Ed Briar Patch C 34 New Orleans, La. On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hello. > > > I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new > Jabsco.The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan > that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does > not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. > Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the > thickness of the pan. > > Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? > > Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? > > I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the pan > is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. > > I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with > resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. > > > > Bruce > > s/v 'Gyrfalcon' > > '86 C 29 MK II > > Kootenay Lake, BC > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
https://www.boltdepot.com/Hanger_bolts.aspx?nv=l Joel On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Stainless lag bolts work on most of our old C's. I'm guessing there's a > piece of plywood under there. > > If not, you can use a stainless toggle bolt. > > http://www.garelick.com/Toggler-Brand-Stainless-Steel-Toggle-Bolt-Anchors > > Dennis C. > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> >> I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new >> Jabsco.The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan >> that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does >> not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. >> Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the >> thickness of the pan. >> >> Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? >> >> Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? >> >> I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the >> pan is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. >> >> I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with >> resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. >> >> >> >> Bruce >> >> s/v 'Gyrfalcon' >> >> '86 C 29 MK II >> >> Kootenay Lake, BC >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
Stainless lag bolts work on most of our old C's. I'm guessing there's a piece of plywood under there. If not, you can use a stainless toggle bolt. http://www.garelick.com/Toggler-Brand-Stainless-Steel-Toggle-Bolt-Anchors Dennis C. On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hello. > > > I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new > Jabsco.The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan > that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does > not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. > Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the > thickness of the pan. > > Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? > > Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? > > I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the pan > is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. > > I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with > resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. > > > > Bruce > > s/v 'Gyrfalcon' > > '86 C 29 MK II > > Kootenay Lake, BC > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Mounting new head in 29-2 - bolt pattern mismatch
Hello. I pulled the existing Brydon head from my 29-2 and am installing a new Jabsco. The existing bolts appear to be bedded into the fiberglass pan that the head sits on and of course the bolt pattern for the new head does not match these. There is no access to the underside of the pan. Any ideas I've come up with for creating new mounts depend on knowing the thickness of the pan. Any 29-2 owners know how thick the glass is on the pan - is it solid? Any 29-2 owners encounter this issue and have a solution? I could use stainless steel toggle anchor bolts that would work if the pan is hollow - thinking this would be easiest. I could cut the heads off of bolts and bed them inverted (with resin/adhesive) in new holes if the pan is solid. Bruce s/v 'Gyrfalcon' '86 C 29 MK II Kootenay Lake, BC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
