Re: Stus-List Prop shaft zincs, bonding and corrosion - now shore power

2018-10-02 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Whole new deal:
ABYC calls for the green wire AC ground system to be linked to the boat’s DC 
ground. What you are trying to prevent is AC current in the water – not CAUSE 
it.
If AC current leaks into the boat somehow, absent the ground connection to 
shore it will find its way via the water and can kill nearby swimmers. You want 
a good wire path back to the shore ground. OTOH now you are wired to every 
other boat, so you need a galvanic isolator to solve the problem you just 
caused.
Joe
Coquina

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Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prop shaft zincs, bonding and corrosion

Only three things made of metal project through my hull.  The shaft, the rudder 
post, and the lead keel.  No bonding wires on the Marlon through hulls.  
Arguably the internals of the engine and A/C could be in contact via the 
cooling water and electrical ground paths.

Someone else tried to convince me that without an adequate ground path to the 
water that it was a shock hazard for nearby swimmers.

Josh

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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft zincs, bonding and corrosion

2018-10-02 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I've had difficulty finding the "correct" answer regarding "What are the
shaft and prop zincs protecting?"  Most people agree that they protect the
shaft and the prop, but what about the engine or the other metal through
hulls?  What about the keel, and mast?

I installed a shaft coupler isolator (for vibration dampening) which
suggested a jumper wire across the coupler "if needed" to restore
electrical continuity between the engine and the shaft.  I've repeatedly
asked various resources, "When would it be needed?" with no consensus and
little or no scientific or regulatory explanation either way.  I don't
currently have a jumper installed.  I'm quite confident that I my anodes
protect exactly what they are supposed to protect, the shaft and the prop
and nothing else.

If I were you, I would disconnect various ground and bonding paths and
measure the voltages across the connection.  There is really only one
acceptable reading.  0.00 volts. Anything else means that current is
passing through that particular ground/bonding wire to the bonded item and
then through the water around the boat to another underwater item.  Check
for both AC and DC volts.  You might start with the shore power ground
wire.  Easy as unplugging and then check voltage between the outlet ground
and the plug.  Then move to the shaft ground brush.  Then separate your
shaft coupling.  Each step looking for volts across the newly disconnected
pieces.  That should prove or disprove a stray current problem.  If current
is found then reconnect and move down the line until you isolate the
problem to a sub-circuit or component.  Remember there are unexpected
ground connections in waterheaters, computers, microwaves, battery
chargers, inverters, TVs, antennas, light fixtures and pumps.  Pretty much
anything with a metal case mounted with metal screws, or interconnected to
anything else besides power.

If no current problem is found then consider using larger anodes, more of
them, or less active anodes.

Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 4:00 PM Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I seem to be burning through zincs on my prop shaft, replace them at least
> twice or more in a season. I posted a photo previously in the group of a
> shaft brush (https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/my-drive) someone helped
> me figure out what it was. Currently the wire on it leads nowhere which got
> my started on this goose chase, researching shaft brush’s and bonding
> systems.
>
> Anyway my question is should I be connecting the wire coming from this
> shaft brush to a DC ground? Or will that simply connect the stray current
> from the dissimilar metals (bronze prop, steel shaft) outside of the boat,
> to the engine “earth” and start to corrode the engine?
>
> I’ve got AC shore power but had a Galvanic Isolator installed, so I’m not
> sure where the stray current is coming from or what is eating through these
> zincs so quickly. If anyone has any ideas or has had a similar experience
> with burning through zincs or bonding systems, and found a solution (other
> than changing zincs more frequently) please let me know!
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
> Vancouver BC
>
>
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Stus-List Prop shaft zincs, bonding and corrosion

2018-09-30 Thread Chris Hobson via CnC-List
I seem to be burning through zincs on my prop shaft, replace them at least 
twice or more in a season. I posted a photo previously in the group of a shaft 
brush (https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/my-drive) someone helped me figure 
out what it was. Currently the wire on it leads nowhere which got my started on 
this goose chase, researching shaft brush’s and bonding systems.

Anyway my question is should I be connecting the wire coming from this shaft 
brush to a DC ground? Or will that simply connect the stray current from the 
dissimilar metals (bronze prop, steel shaft) outside of the boat, to the engine 
“earth” and start to corrode the engine? 

I’ve got AC shore power but had a Galvanic Isolator installed, so I’m not sure 
where the stray current is coming from or what is eating through these zincs so 
quickly. If anyone has any ideas or has had a similar experience with burning 
through zincs or bonding systems, and found a solution (other than changing 
zincs more frequently) please let me know!

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615

Vancouver BC


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