Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Awesome ! The Amazing  (modern) J Class. When Racing was racing not Flying
I see Steve Jobs had a nice new of the Boats at dock!  :)

John C

On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thank you for the video Charles. I was catching up on deferred emails tonight, 
and I’m glad I finally got to see it.

I had to watch it twice. The first time through I was paying too much attention 
to the background near the windward mark and looking for my boat. You see, Fred 
Street, Jim Schwartz, and I were watching the races from Imzadi right along the 
course boundary about 200 yards SE of the windward mark. She’s one of the MUCH 
smaller sailboats you see in the background to the left of the J’s as they set 
spinnakers in some of the shots.

The J racing was, to me at least, more memorable than the AC racing. I can 
still remember the sound of jib and spin sheets groaning from the tension on 
those god-awful big winches – and the explosion as one of the boats blew up one 
of the god-awful big spinnakers during a gybe set.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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On 12/23/2020 2:13 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
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Was there an attachment or a link?

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note the 
number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger

C
On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and then it all 
went downhill after that.
Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly active, not 
being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.

Joe
Coquina
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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Thank you for the video Charles. I was catching up on deferred emails tonight, 
and I’m glad I finally got to see it.

 

I had to watch it twice. The first time through I was paying too much attention 
to the background near the windward mark and looking for my boat. You see, Fred 
Street, Jim Schwartz, and I were watching the races from Imzadi right along the 
course boundary about 200 yards SE of the windward mark. She’s one of the MUCH 
smaller sailboats you see in the background to the left of the J’s as they set 
spinnakers in some of the shots. 

 

The J racing was, to me at least, more memorable than the AC racing. I can 
still remember the sound of jib and spin sheets groaning from the tension on 
those god-awful big winches – and the explosion as one of the boats blew up one 
of the god-awful big spinnakers during a gybe set.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:38 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Rod Stright ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afddfl0AqFY 

On 12/23/2020 2:13 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

Was there an attachment or a link?

 

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>; CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note the 
number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger 

  

C 

On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

 

IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and then it all 
went downhill after that.

Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly active, not 
being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Google HMCS Bras d’or FHE 400

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 8:20 AM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just remember Alexander Graham Bell was tinkering with hydrofoils in the
> 1920's to start this
> whole mess off.  Hydrofoils, I don't think ever really took off as
> mainstream method of reducing
> drag on boats until America's cup people started playing with it.  There
> have been a few foiling
> survey vessels etc.  I am interested in watching how this technology
> evolves.  I haven't found
> a way to watch the races yet up here in NS Canada.  Maybe someone could
> share some tips.
> I do prefer the old boats, where crew work seemed to matter more than
> straight line speed.
>
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
>Muir Caileag
>C 30 Mk 1 549
>
> On 2020-12-22 12:57 a.m., Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> I agree with all of Dwight's comments except one; they're not monohull
> sailboats...they are hydrofoils, and as such, I don't consider them as the
> sailboats I prefer for the America's cup racing;
> Richard
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afddfl0AqFY

> On 12/23/2020 2:13 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Was there an attachment or a link?
> 
>  
> 
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> Sent: December-23-20 12:55 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> 
>     Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing
> 
>  
> 
> You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note 
> the number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger
> 
>  
> 
> C
> 
> > > 
> > On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second 
> > > best, and then it all went downhill after that.
> > > 
> > > Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was 
> > > surprisingly active, not being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class 
> > > overall.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > Coquina
> > > 
> > > > > 
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Was there an attachment or a link?

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: December-23-20 12:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note the 
number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger 

  

C 

On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and then it all 
went downhill after that.

Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly active, not 
being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.

 

Joe

Coquina

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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note the 
number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger

C

> On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> > > 
> > IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and 
> > then it all went downhill after that.
> > 
> > Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly 
> > active, not being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > Coquina
> > 
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and then it all 
went downhill after that.
Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly active, not 
being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

not that I disagree with you in any way Andrew but, regardless of regatta
or class of boat or year of competition, the 7th race between Alinghi and
New Zealand in 2007 is an all time highlight reel that will be played
forever.and never surpassed so matter what boats we choose to race.

merry christmas, Happy Holidays to everyone

Wade
Oh Boy 33-2
Lake of the Woods

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 9:25 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My humble opinion is that sailboat racing is something you do, not watch.
> In going with foils the organizers are trying to make it interesting to
> watch. I don’t find it so. They are only going 40 mph; speedy for a
> sailboat, but you can practically walk that fast! The part of racing I find
> most interesting—tactics and boat interactions—is missing. In these matches
> they're just banging opposite corners hoping they’ve chosen the right one.
> I think using foils has cost them a large part of their audience. I
> certainly am not watching or caring about the sailing, but with the IACC
> boats I was riveted. The last race in that class came down to the seventh
> race of a seven race finals and the boats finished overlapped! That was
> exciting!
>
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Dec 22, 2020, at 07:27, Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I’m in Halifax and I have watched them on YouTube… just search for
> Americas Cup. I’ve watched in real-time but they also have replays of
> various races and discussion shows. Too marvel at the technology!
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > C 34
> > BarraWind
> > Halifax, NS
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List]

This is the best cup racing ever, 1987 take back the cup!!
The new boats are great hitech, but its not sailing I can  get very excited 
about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfzSbsXmlJs
Gerry FennesseyC 35 MK3

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From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2020 10:25 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

My humble opinion is that sailboat racing is something you do, not watch. In 
going with foils the organizers are trying to make it interesting to watch. I 
don’t find it so. They are only going 40 mph; speedy for a sailboat, but you 
can practically walk that fast! The part of racing I find most 
interesting—tactics and boat interactions—is missing. In these matches they're 
just banging opposite corners hoping they’ve chosen the right one. 
I think using foils has cost them a large part of their audience. I certainly 
am not watching or caring about the sailing, but with the IACC boats I was 
riveted. The last race in that class came down to the seventh race of a seven 
race finals and the boats finished overlapped! That was exciting!

Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA    02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 07:27, Dean McNeill via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> I’m in Halifax and I have watched them on YouTube… just search for Americas 
> Cup. I’ve watched in real-time but they also have replays of various races 
> and discussion shows. Too marvel at the technology!
> 
> Dean
> 
> C 34
> BarraWind
> Halifax, NS
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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

My humble opinion is that sailboat racing is something you do, not watch. In 
going with foils the organizers are trying to make it interesting to watch. I 
don’t find it so. They are only going 40 mph; speedy for a sailboat, but you 
can practically walk that fast! The part of racing I find most 
interesting—tactics and boat interactions—is missing. In these matches they're 
just banging opposite corners hoping they’ve chosen the right one. 
I think using foils has cost them a large part of their audience. I certainly 
am not watching or caring about the sailing, but with the IACC boats I was 
riveted. The last race in that class came down to the seventh race of a seven 
race finals and the boats finished overlapped! That was exciting!

Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 07:27, Dean McNeill via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> I’m in Halifax and I have watched them on YouTube… just search for Americas 
> Cup. I’ve watched in real-time but they also have replays of various races 
> and discussion shows. Too marvel at the technology!
> 
> Dean
> 
> C 34
> BarraWind
> Halifax, NS
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[Matthew via CnC-List]

IMHO, for the average viewer sailboat racing and auto racing are equally dull 
to watch.  They are much more interesting for those with specialized knowledge. 
 I wrestled in high school, and I recall the first time I watched a college 
wrestling match in the presence of uninformed friends.  I saw move, 
countermove, countermove, etc.; my friends saw two guys groping each other.

 

Like Bill Coleman, I know about iceboating, so I have a handle on the whole 
apparent wind thing.  The tech of these boats is amazing.  However, I’m more 
drawn to old-fashioned sailboat racing, and even that is boring for most of the 
planet.  

 

From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:43 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

Maybe I’m one of the few that enjoy both yacht racing AND auto racing.  The 
golden age of auto racing mirrored that of yacht racing competition.  No big 
sponsor logos, national pride (Italian marques drove red cars, British Green, 
French Blue, etc).  But to sustain the interest, there needed to be changes in 
equipment and that necessitated the rising cost of participation and 
sponsorship.  Which begat TV and Pay to Watch internet coverage.

I would submit that auto racing at least at the Grand Prix level is probably a 
better spectator sport.  But I’ve never paid to go to a Formula 1 race for cars 
but took my family to watch the AC races in San Francisco which is something 
they’ll never forget.  In 72’ foiling multis.  Maybe not “elegant” but really 
fun to watch in person.  

Several years ago, my son and I went to see the J Class Worlds off Newport, 
elegant yes.. boring,  Yup!

 

I’m balking at doling out $175 to watch the racing live this go-round.  Races 
and courses seem too short for my taste, but that is likely to change once the 
challenger series is completed.  I’d love to see these boats racing in more 
“offshore conditions” like Perth Australia or even off Newport RI.  That would 
be sporty enough to make for good TV.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Maybe I’m one of the few that enjoy both yacht racing AND auto racing.  The 
golden age of auto racing mirrored that of yacht racing competition.  No big 
sponsor logos, national pride (Italian marques drove red cars, British Green, 
French Blue, etc).  But to sustain the interest, there needed to be changes in 
equipment and that necessitated the rising cost of participation and 
sponsorship.  Which begat TV and Pay to Watch internet coverage.

I would submit that auto racing at least at the Grand Prix level is probably a 
better spectator sport.  But I’ve never paid to go to a Formula 1 race for cars 
but took my family to watch the AC races in San Francisco which is something 
they’ll never forget.  In 72’ foiling multis.  Maybe not “elegant” but really 
fun to watch in person.  

Several years ago, my son and I went to see the J Class Worlds off Newport, 
elegant yes.. boring,  Yup!

 

I’m balking at doling out $175 to watch the racing live this go-round.  Races 
and courses seem too short for my taste, but that is likely to change once the 
challenger series is completed.  I’d love to see these boats racing in more 
“offshore conditions” like Perth Australia or even off Newport RI.  That would 
be sporty enough to make for good TV.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Joel Aronson  
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

There is nothing graceful or elegant about these boats. It’s like watching auto 
racing. 

 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM ALAN BERGEN mailto:trya...@alumni.usc.edu> > wrote:

I watched part of one race, and was bored. The driver could have been driving a 
race car for all I knew. Bring back the 12 meters. That I can relate to. Still, 
if you want to watch the racing, they're on YouTube.





Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to record 
the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly impressive and the 
racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  
There is no tactics other than the start and it is unclear if that actually 
matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The boats 
are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and 
downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and 
lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the 
race.  There is absolutely nothing happening except the boat going through the 
water and nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to 
tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why they change places at 
times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also 
found the commentary to be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the 
race have any more iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the 
Irish announcer calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a 
sailboat race before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if 
you haven’t seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am 
being critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it 
happens, but I was really disappointed.  Dave





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Thanks Edd, 

I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching the 
Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great. 

  

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[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Awesome.  Thanks

On 2020-12-22 8:27 a.m., Dean McNeill via CnC-List wrote:

Jeff,

I’m in Halifax and I have watched them on YouTube… just search for Americas 
Cup. I’ve watched in real-time but they also have replays of various races and 
discussion shows. Too marvel at the technology!

Dean

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Jeff,

I’m in Halifax and I have watched them on YouTube… just search for Americas 
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You'll find their website at Americascup.com  

They archive all the races under the Racing tab and offer other ways to watch 
too.

C

> On 12/22/2020 7:20 AM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
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>  
> Just remember Alexander Graham Bell was tinkering with hydrofoils in the 
> 1920's to start this
> whole mess off.  Hydrofoils, I don't think ever really took off as 
> mainstream method of reducing
> drag on boats until America's cup people started playing with it.  There 
> have been a few foiling
> survey vessels etc.  I am interested in watching how this technology 
> evolves.  I haven't found
> a way to watch the races yet up here in NS Canada.  Maybe someone could 
> share some tips.
> I do prefer the old boats, where crew work seemed to matter more than 
> straight line speed.
> 
> Cheers,
>Jeff Nelson
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>C 30 Mk 1 549
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> On 2020-12-22 12:57 a.m., Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote:
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> > >  
> > I agree with all of Dwight's comments except one; they're not 
> > monohull sailboats...they are hydrofoils, and as such, I don't consider 
> > them as the sailboats I prefer for the America's cup racing;
> > Richard
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[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Just remember Alexander Graham Bell was tinkering with hydrofoils in the 
1920's to start this
whole mess off.  Hydrofoils, I don't think ever really took off as 
mainstream method of reducing
drag on boats until America's cup people started playing with it. There 
have been a few foiling
survey vessels etc.  I am interested in watching how this technology 
evolves.  I haven't found
a way to watch the races yet up here in NS Canada.  Maybe someone could 
share some tips.
I do prefer the old boats, where crew work seemed to matter more than 
straight line speed.


Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
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I agree with all of Dwight's comments except one; they're not monohull 
sailboats...they are hydrofoils, and as such, I don't consider them as 
the sailboats I prefer for the America's cup racing;

Richard
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 I agree with all of Dwight's comments except one; they're not monohull 
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-Original Message-
From: dwight veinot 
To: Stus-List 
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2020 7:22 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

Have you ever been on a 75 foot monohull sail boat going 40 kts. I say its top 
notch technology and takes a whole lot more than most sailors know how to do  
imagine Barker, Ainslie, Spitall and Burling steering these foiling monohulls 
they are currently the best sailors on the planet and the crew are also the 
best that can be had. I like the racing and i like seeing all the adjustments 
these guys have to make above and below the water. Different point of view I 
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Hi Dwight,
I like seeing the technology too.  These first races were just sea trials.  The 
upcoming races will be better sailed and commentated and the graphics will make 
them easier to understand too.  I Look forward to learning about the crew 
positions and their responsibilities.  The wheel looks pretty complicated with 
Nintendo game controller.

Ken Read was noting how the crews changed the sail camber during maneuvers.  
Deep draft form power to get up on the foil and then a flatter camber for low 
drag speed sailing.

I think the keels will eventually evolve into a single centerline canting Tee 
foil that will work on any tack or gybe.  Or the sails will spill the wind 
after foiling and eliminate sideways forces.


Chuck Scheaffer



> On 12/21/2020 7:22 PM dwight veinot  wrote:
>  
>  
> Have you ever been on a 75 foot monohull sail boat going 40 kts. I say 
> its top notch technology and takes a whole lot more than most sailors know 
> how to do  imagine Barker, Ainslie, Spitall and Burling steering these 
> foiling monohulls they are currently the best sailors on the planet and the 
> crew are also the best that can be had. I like the racing and i like seeing 
> all the adjustments these guys have to make above and below the water. 
> Different point of view I guess
> 
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:34 PM David Knecht < davidakne...@gmail.com 
> mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> > > I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago. 
>  I was able to record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are 
> spectacularly impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are 
> won and lost on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start 
> and it is unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying 
> on the foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so 
> it all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running 
> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in 
> the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing happening 
> except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal sailor can 
> related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and another 
> behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for who is 
> ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to be 
> unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more iidea of 
> what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer calling the 
> Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race before thinking 
> the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t seen that one- 
> you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being critical and I will 
> probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens, but I was really 
> disappointed.  Dave
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES 
> > SCHEAFFER < cscheaf...@comcast.net mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thanks Edd,
> > > I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been 
> > > watching the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been 
> > > great.
> > >  
> > > Chuck
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[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Please bring back the j boats. They raced. Not going up and back.It was 
spectacular to see the chutes go up and down. The sails actually move based on 
course and wind direction. Jim schwartzSEA YA! IImarine trawler 43Washington nc 
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 Original message From: dwight veinot  
Date: 12/21/20  7:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Stus-List  
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing Have you ever been on a 75 foot 
monohull sail boat going 40 kts. I say its top notch technology and takes a 
whole lot more than most sailors know how to do  imagine Barker, Ainslie, 
Spitall and Burling steering these foiling monohulls they are currently the 
best sailors on the planet and the crew are also the best that can be had. I 
like the racing and i like seeing all the adjustments these guys have to make 
above and below the water. Different point of view I guessOn Sun, Dec 20, 2020 
at 12:34 PM David Knecht  wrote:I taped Day 2 of the 
Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to record the broadcast at 
1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly impressive and the racing is 
unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  There is no 
tactics other than the start and it is unclear if that actually matters.  
Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 
knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No 
spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or 
tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the race.  There is 
absolutely nothing happening except the boat going through the water and 
nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one 
boat is ahead and another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the 
graphics for who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the 
commentary to be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any 
more iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer 
calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race 
before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t 
seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being critical 
and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens, but I was 
really disappointed.  DaveOn Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
 wrote:

  
   
 
 
  
   Thanks Edd,
   
  
   I'll stay up an
   d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching the Vendee Globe 
coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
   
  
    
   
  
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[dwight veinot]

Have you ever been on a 75 foot monohull sail boat going 40 kts. I say its
top notch technology and takes a whole lot more than most sailors know how
to do  imagine Barker, Ainslie, Spitall and Burling steering these foiling
monohulls they are currently the best sailors on the planet and the crew
are also the best that can be had. I like the racing and i like seeing all
the adjustments these guys have to make above and below the water.
Different point of view I guess

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:34 PM David Knecht 
wrote:

> I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to
> record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly
> impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost
> on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and it is
> unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the
> foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it
> all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running
> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
> in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing
> happening except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal
> sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and
> another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for
> who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to
> be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more
> iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
> calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race
> before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t
> seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being
> critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens,
> but I was really disappointed.  Dave
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Edd,
> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching
> the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>
> Chuck
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>
> David Knecht
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> New London, CT
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER]

Ken Read is commentating on the Christmas Race that got canceled today when the 
boats exceeded the time limit for the race.  He's got some credentials as 
skipper of Comanche and head of North Sails.   He compares the different foils. 
 

C

> On 12/20/2020 4:31 PM Bill Coleman  wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> I kind of remember that announcer, that was funny as heck to watch that 
> all over again!
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> Entrada, Erie, PA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Donald Kern [mailto:don-k...@cox.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:12 PM
> To: Stus-List; David Knecht
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing
> 
>  
> 
> David, Here is the link to the Irish announcer:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw
> Don Kern
> 
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[schiller]

The technology of the boats are amazing.  My design team (Parker 
Aerospace, Hydraulic Systems Division, Kalamazoo, Michigan) was 
responsible for the winch driven pumps used for the foil controls and 
winches.  They are two-speed, 3000 psi aircraft hydraulic pumps.  We 
also provided DC Motor pumps for the practice boats.  The race boats 
must be human powered.  I worked with the DC motor pumps but retired 
before the human driven pumps were finished.


I still prefer the old J Boats and 12 meters.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 12/20/2020 3:35 PM, nausetbe...@optonline.net wrote:


Funny video.

The problem is, that is exactly how the producers at NBC Sports view 
it.  Let’s show the 1^st and 2^nd legs, then cut to commercial, then 
come back for the 5^th and 6^th legs of the race – no one really wants 
to watch this stuff.  Can anyone imagine what would happen if they did 
that to a football game, drop out the 2^nd and 3^rd quarters.  Oh 
wait, remember when “they” cut away from a playoff game to start  the 
movie “Heidi” on time…  Never did that again.


The technology of the boats is amazing, but agree, is more like NASCAR 
than anything else.  Boring.


Longing for the Fremantle Doctor and 30+ tacks on the final leg with 
the 12 meters.  Now that was racing.


Brian

*From:* Donald Kern 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:12 PM
*To:* Stus-List ; David Knecht 


*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

David, Here is the link to the Irish announcer: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw

Don Kern

On 12/20/2020 11:34 AM, David Knecht wrote:

I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was
able to record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are
spectacularly impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.
 Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics
other than the start and it is unclear if that actually matters.
 Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The
boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the
same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running around
the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely
nothing happening except the boat going through the water and
nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to
tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why they change
places at times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are really
hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to be unhelpful.  I
don’t think the people calling the race have any more iidea of
what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a
sailboat race before thinking the starting sequence was actually
the race (if you haven’t seen that one- you should.  I can find
the link).  I know I am being critical and I will probably watch
the final America’s cup when it happens, but I was really
disappointed.  Dave



On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER
mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks Edd,

I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race. I've been
watching the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews
have been great.

Chuck

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[Bill Coleman]

I kind of remember that announcer, that was funny as heck to watch that all 
over again!

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:12 PM
To: Stus-List; David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

David, Here is the link to the Irish announcer:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw
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[nausetbeach]

Funny video.  

 

The problem is, that is exactly how the producers at NBC Sports view it.  Let’s 
show the 1st and 2nd legs, then cut to commercial, then come back for the 5th 
and 6th legs of the race – no one really wants to watch this stuff.  Can anyone 
imagine what would happen if they did that to a football game, drop out the 2nd 
and 3rd quarters.  Oh wait, remember when “they” cut away from a playoff game 
to start  the movie “Heidi” on time…  Never did that again.  

 

The technology of the boats is amazing, but agree, is more like NASCAR than 
anything else.  Boring. 

 

Longing for the Fremantle Doctor and 30+ tacks on the final leg with the 12 
meters.  Now that was racing.  

 

Brian

 

From: Donald Kern  
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:12 PM
To: Stus-List ; David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

David, Here is the link to the Irish announcer:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw
Don Kern

On 12/20/2020 11:34 AM, David Knecht wrote:

I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to record 
the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly impressive and the 
racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  
There is no tactics other than the start and it is unclear if that actually 
matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The boats 
are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and 
downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and 
lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the 
race.  There is absolutely nothing happening except the boat going through the 
water and nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to 
tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why they change places at 
times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also 
found the commentary to be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the 
race have any more iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the 
Irish announcer calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a 
sailboat race before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if 
you haven’t seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am 
being critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it 
happens, but I was really disappointed.  Dave 





On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Thanks Edd, 

I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching the 
Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great. 

  

Chuck 

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1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 





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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Dennis C.]

Which is why I don't watch drag racing.

However, many sports attract fans for different reasons.  Once you
understand a sport and its intricacies and strategies, you often become
hooked.  For instance, after attending a few sumo matches with
knowledgeable fans who explained a lot to me, it became much more
interesting.  Did you know there are 82 kimarite?

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/techniques/

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:34 AM David Knecht 
wrote:

> I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to
> record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly
> impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost
> on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and it is
> unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the
> foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it
> all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running
> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
> in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing
> happening except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal
> sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and
> another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for
> who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to
> be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more
> iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
> calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race
> before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t
> seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being
> critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens,
> but I was really disappointed.  Dave
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Edd,
> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching
> the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>
> Chuck
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
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>
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Donald Kern]

David, Here is the link to the Irish announcer: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iz1de7Lwyw

Don Kern

On 12/20/2020 11:34 AM, David Knecht wrote:
I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able 
to record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly 
impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and 
lost on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and 
it is unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except 
staying on the foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 
knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No 
spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and lowering 
sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the 
race.  There is absolutely nothing happening except the boat going 
through the water and nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It 
is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why 
they change places at times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are 
really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to be unhelpful. 
 I don’t think the people calling the race have any more iidea of what 
is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer calling the 
Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race before 
thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t 
seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being 
critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it 
happens, but I was really disappointed.  Dave


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>> wrote:


Thanks Edd,
I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been 
watching the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been 
great.

Chuck
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S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Joel Aronson]

There is nothing graceful or elegant about these boats. It’s like watching
auto racing.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM ALAN BERGEN  wrote:

> I watched part of one race, and was bored. The driver could have been
> driving a race car for all I knew. Bring back the 12 meters. That I can
> relate to. Still, if you want to watch the racing, they're on YouTube.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM David Knecht 
> wrote:
>
>> I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to
>> record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly
>> impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost
>> on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and it is
>> unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the
>> foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it
>> all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running
>> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
>> in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing
>> happening except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal
>> sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and
>> another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for
>> who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to
>> be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more
>> iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
>> calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race
>> before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t
>> seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being
>> critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens,
>> but I was really disappointed.  Dave
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Edd,
>> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching
>> the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>>
>> Chuck
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>>  Thanks - Stu
>>
>>
>> David Knecht
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>>
>>
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[ALAN BERGEN]

I watched part of one race, and was bored. The driver could have been
driving a race car for all I knew. Bring back the 12 meters. That I can
relate to. Still, if you want to watch the racing, they're on YouTube.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM David Knecht  wrote:

> I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to
> record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly
> impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost
> on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and it is
> unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the
> foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it
> all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running
> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
> in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing
> happening except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal
> sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and
> another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for
> who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to
> be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more
> iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
> calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race
> before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t
> seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being
> critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens,
> but I was really disappointed.  Dave
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Edd,
> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching
> the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>
> Chuck
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
>  Thanks - Stu
>
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[Bill Coleman]

I think I can relate a little more, having grown up sailing and racing ice
boats. It is pretty much the same. You push off, get the boat going, and
it's all about your optimum apparent wind.

Bill Coleman

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:34 AM David Knecht  wrote:

> I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to
> record the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly
> impressive and the racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost
> on pure boat speed.  There is no tactics other than the start and it is
> unclear if that actually matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the
> foils going fast.  The boats are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it
> all looks the same, upwind and downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running
> around the deck hoisiting and lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays
> in the same place throughout the race.  There is absolutely nothing
> happening except the boat going through the water and nothing that a normal
> sailor can related to.  It is impossible to tell why one boat is ahead and
> another behind and why they change places at times.  Even the graphics for
> who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also found the commentary to
> be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the race have any more
> iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the Irish announcer
> calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a sailboat race
> before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if you haven’t
> seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am being
> critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it happens,
> but I was really disappointed.  Dave
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Edd,
> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching
> the Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>
> Chuck
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[David Knecht]

I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to record 
the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly impressive and the 
racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  
There is no tactics other than the start and it is unclear if that actually 
matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The boats 
are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and 
downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and 
lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the 
race.  There is absolutely nothing happening except the boat going through the 
water and nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to 
tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why they change places at 
times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also 
found the commentary to be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the 
race have any more iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the 
Irish announcer calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a 
sailboat race before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if 
you haven’t seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am 
being critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it 
happens, but I was really disappointed.  Dave

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Edd,
> I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching the 
> Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great.
>  
> Chuck
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S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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