Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Many boat movers we have here on the east coast have the types of trailer that 
don’t need a cradle or some “constructed “ rig.  They have trailers with 
hydraulic “arms” that can be brought up to the boat

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:36:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

You will need to step the mast.

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From: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:16:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis 
Subject: Stus-List Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.

Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.

So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat.

The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering?


All comments, stories and discussion welcome!


Karl and Doris Kuzis
Firefly, C 29 Mk1
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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Yes, (chuckle, chuckle) step the mast, otherwise you will end up on one of 
those facebook epic fail pages..wouldn't want to see that!


1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, (out for repairs)
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:37:45 AM EDT, Korbey Hunt via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 You will need to step the mast.
Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:16:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis 
Subject: Stus-List Any thoughts (experience) on trailering? Looking at 
Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me thinking.
Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.
So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat. 
The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering? 

All comments, stories and discussion welcome! 

Karl and Doris Kuzis Firefly, C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 
606-2099Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site 
and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

You will need to step the mast.

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From: Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:16:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis 
Subject: Stus-List Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.

Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.

So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat.

The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering?


All comments, stories and discussion welcome!


Karl and Doris Kuzis
Firefly, C 29 Mk1
karl.ku...@gmail.com
Cell (360) 606-2099
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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

The guy from whom I purchased Grenadine (my 30 MK I) had bought a trailer 
before buying the boat.  He found the trailer in Missouri somewhere, if I 
recall correctly, and I don’t know how.  It’s a 2003 triple-axle Loadmaster 
capable of loading a 35’ sailboat weighing up to 11,000 pounds - the axles have 
5,000 pound GAWR and the trailer itself weighs about 4,000 pounds.  He then 
bought the boat in Traverse City, Michigan.  It weighs 9,000 pounds, for a 
total load of 13,000 pounds.  He and his dad fitted the bunks etc. to the 30 MK 
I hull; I don’t know the details there.  They towed the boat all the way from 
Traverse City to basically Durango, Colorado, with a 3/4 ton truck.  They had 
to replace a couple trailer tires on the way.

When I bought the boat, the trailer was part of the deal.  We cradled the mast 
on top of the boat.  And we towed it from Lake Navajo to Chatfield Reservoir, 
through the high Rockies including Wolf Creek Pass, on March 11th 2016 (the 
roads were dry).  We used a 3/4 ton HD truck with a diesel and towing package.  
I was sure to check all the specs on towing capacity, tongue weight, etc., and 
I added a trailer brake controller to the truck.  I wanted to use a 
weight-distributing anti-sway hitch, but the trailer’s design precluded that.  
Regardless, the tow home went very smoothly.

Grenadine’s beam is 10’ so she is a wide load in Colorado.  I had to get CDOT 
permits and display signs, flags, etc., but no escort cars were needed.  And I 
didn’t have any problem with clearing bridges, overhead wires, etc.  The 
highest part of the boat, even with the mast cradled on it, is the bow pulpit - 
and it’s lower than standard bridge height in Colorado and the US.

And since then, I trailer the boat every winter (because Chatfield Reservoir 
freezes over).  The marina closes on Halloween and opens April 1st.  The dry 
storage yard is one mile from the launch ramp, still inside the state park, and 
I don’t have to take the mast down inside the park.  My crew and I have gotten 
pretty practiced at launching and hauling out the 9,000-pound, 30-foot boat 
with the trailer.  But sometimes when hauling out it takes a couple tries to 
get it on the trailer correctly.

This summer, in preparation for campaigning the boat in Colorado, we completely 
overhauled the trailer: new bearings, brakes, and tires; completely replaced 
all wiring and lights, emergency breakaway switch and battery; new heavy-duty 
safety chains and bolts; completely replaced all bunks, built new and improved 
mast cradles atop the boat, etc.  The only things we didn’t replace were the 
axles, frame, and bunk stands.  We wanted to make certain that the trailer was 
100% reliable and solid before towing around the state again.  We did the work 
ourselves, it wasn’t hard.  Then my mom passed and we couldn’t campaign.  The 
boat is still sitting in dry storage on the overhauled trailer with her mast 
cradled.  I’ll be relaunching soon for the rest of the season.

In summary, you can do it.  The trick is finding a good trailer, making sure 
it’s in good shape, and fitting it to the boat.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 8:16 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
> thinking.
> 
> Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. 
> We have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia 
> River. As previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as 
> bottom inspection,  paint etc.
> 
> So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
> or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
> keel sailboat. 
> 
> The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
> trailering? 
> 
> 
> All comments, stories and discussion welcome! 
> 
> 
> Karl and Doris Kuzis 
> Firefly, C 29 Mk1
> karl.ku...@gmail.com  
> Cell (360) 606-2099
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu

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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

A couple things come to mind from my Soling - The surge brakes didn't work
as well as they should, so I had to remember to brake  early (if possible!)
Also, my biggest problem trailering in general is remembering that I am,
and to steer clear and wide, as I am kind of flakey and forget things
quickly -  like a trailer behind me.,

Bill Coleman

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:17 AM Karl Kuzis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me
> thinking.
>
> Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs
> away. We have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the
> Columbia River. As previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap)
> as well as bottom inspection,  paint etc.
>
> So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer
> (rental or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a
> 29ft fixed keel sailboat.
>
> The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29
> trailering?
>
>
> All comments, stories and discussion welcome!
>
>
> Karl and Doris Kuzis
> Firefly, C 29 Mk1
> karl.ku...@gmail.com
> Cell (360) 606-2099
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

Richard:

 

I don’t know anything about the 29 Mark 1 specifically.  However, I have had 
two trucking experiences, one for a Ranger 26 and the second for my current C 
42 Custom.

 

The Ranger did not have a cradle, so one was constructed out of wood to place 
on a trailer for transport.  Whoever built the cradle left nail heads in the 
wrong places, and the hull suffered deep gouges as a result.  Easily repaired, 
but annoying.

 

Moving the 42 was more interesting.  The boat had a form-fitting cradle, but 
the parts of the cradle that supported the hull fore and aft were not 
adjustable.  As you likely know, cradles are not typically designed or intended 
to support the weight of the boat.  The keel supports the weight, and the 
cradle holds the boat in place.  If the cradle is not adjustable, it is 
difficult to determine if the weight is being borne by the keel as it should 
be; or if, instead, the cradle is bearing some of the weight.  In the case of 
moving the 42 – you guessed it – the cradle was bearing too much weight.  
Consequently, the hull forward of the keel was damaged during transit (the gel 
coat and outer skin cracked).  Aside from repairing the damage, one of the 
first things I did was arrange for the cradle to be reconfigured with 
adjustable pads.

 

Bottom line:  take great care in preparing for the move.

 

Matt

C 42 Custom 

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 11:45 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Kuzis ; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

 

Karl; I would recommend looking into it: in looking back on it; our trailer 
move went very well; we took the time to prep the trailer (new axles and tires) 
and made sure the boat was situated on the trailer correctly: ( had to use a 
come-a-long to move the whole boat forward about 3 inches, but it improved the 
trailer tongue weight noticeably! We also went during mid-day when there was 
light traffic and no school busses moving about.  We had a parade of four 
vehicles and the required flags and wide load signs.  I recommend a cold beer 
or more afterwards...!

If you have specific questions please feel free to call or email me direct, 
thanks

 

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:17:15 AM EDT, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.

 

Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.

 

So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat. 

 

The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering? 

 

 

All comments, stories and discussion welcome! 

 

 

Karl and Doris Kuzis 

Firefly, C 29 Mk1

karl.ku...@gmail.com <mailto:karl.ku...@gmail.com>  

Cell (360) 606-2099

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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Karl; I would recommend looking into it: in looking back on it; our trailer 
move went very well; we took the time to prep the trailer (new axles and tires) 
and made sure the boat was situated on the trailer correctly: ( had to use a 
come-a-long to move the whole boat forward about 3 inches, but it improved the 
trailer tongue weight noticeably! We also went during mid-day when there was 
light traffic and no school busses moving about.  We had a parade of four 
vehicles and the required flags and wide load signs.  I recommend a cold beer 
or more afterwards...!If you have specific questions please feel free to call 
or email me direct, thanks

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:17:15 AM EDT, Karl Kuzis via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.
Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.
So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat. 
The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering? 

All comments, stories and discussion welcome! 

Karl and Doris Kuzis Firefly, C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 
606-2099Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site 
and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Any thoughts (experience) on trailering?

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

I used to own a 29 mk1 with the shallow draft keel sailed out of Oakville. When 
I retired I moved my sailing to the North Channel a used Cradle Shop trailer 
was purchased. The professional modifications did not match the hull as they 
“forgot” that it was not the regular racing keel, sigh. All was resolved. 
I trailered the 9 hour drive with a 3500 rated for 10,000 lb. 
The significant argh was making the application for the Ministry of Transport 
Wide Load Permit. Our regular legal width limit is just over 8’. The CC29 mk1 
is around 10’. Wide load banners and flags were mounted. The tail lights were 
changed. An rear end extendable and removable light cross bar was built. The 
corners of the bar had the lights and flags providing clarity about the boat 
width and length. The widest beam and long points are high up and easy to miss. 
I pondered the mast carry; low on the trailer or high on the boat. I went with 
on the boat so that I could have some significant overhang forward and less 
overhang aft.  A key measurement mount was the height above ground. The MOT 
ensured that the bridges on my route would clear the bridges.  A six inch 
lowering of the mast mount was required, just clearing the coach roof. I almost 
forgot when fuelling the truck. Some gas stations have low shelter roofs LOL. 
DonMy  C exCC24 JoyCC29 mk1 LifeViking 34 Fidusen


Don

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Looking at Richard's photos from moving his 34cb to the shop got me 
thinking.
Firefly is a C 29 Mk1 with extended keel which is lake locked 3 hrs away. We 
have been considering moving her closer to home, back to the Columbia River. As 
previously mentioned she is due for hull paint (or wrap) as well as bottom 
inspection,  paint etc.
So the choices become hire a boat mover, or obtain a suitable trailer (rental 
or buy). I have plenty of trailer-tow experience just not with a 29ft fixed 
keel sailboat. 
The question to the group is: Any insights, experience or thoughts on 29 
trailering? 

All comments, stories and discussion welcome! 

Karl and Doris Kuzis Firefly, C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 
606-2099Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site 
and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Thanks for your help.
Stu


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