Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Bruce,

I haven't had this problem yet.  I may be able to provide a bit of info
though.

As you know, there are webs fiberglassed to the interior of the hull that
provide reinforcement.  These webs form a reinforcing grid that C
referred to as the 'Spider'.  These individual webs are generally shaped
like an inverted 'U' and are hollow.  I think, looking at the drawings I
have (they don't show this detail very well), there is a web running fore
and aft on the hull's centreline, from the transverse web that supports the
forward end of the mast step, to around the half height bulkhead that
supports the aft end of the forward berth.  I think the plate the rod is
attached to is glassed into the top of that web so you won't have to glass
to the hull to make the repair, just to the web (I think), which should be
easier to do.

Have a look at the 'Spider design' drawing at:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7X4Y5iVFYAKcDd4ZlhWNGZzdmM/view

I think the lower end of the rod is shown as a short little line, rising
from that fore and aft centreline web.

https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

Another drawing that my be helpful:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7X4Y5iVFYAKYTJxRDJBc3BvLWM/view

If we're lucky, Rob Ball may remember this detail, and may be able to let
us know if I am correct in my guess (or not).

Ken H.



On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 19:58, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ahh...   Of course.
>
> I had not thought of that.
>
> Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is
> connected to the keel stub?
>
> As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached to
> the underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with two
> 3/8" stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate was
> fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it, but I
> will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit to get
> to clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole into a
> replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the rod in
> place so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in place.
>
> I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of
> cloth would you use?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as
>> the rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached
>> to the mast, I would think you are OK.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:34 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have a 1994 37/40+, which of course has rod rigging.  We were out
>>> sailing yesterday, and I had put on some babystay and backstay tension, but
>>> not a tremendous amount.
>>>
>>> When I got back to the dock, I found, down in the cabin that the rod
>>> that is just forward of the mast broke loose from the keel trunk.  This is
>>> a 6 ft. length of rigging that runs from the underside of the deck to the
>>> keel trunk to reinforce the deck at the aft end of the babystay track.
>>>
>>> The attachment at the keel failed due to rust, but I can't really tell
>>> completely how it attached.  There is a threaded rod that goes between to
>>> keel trunk and the turnbuckle for adjustment.  It seems as though it may
>>> have been threaded rod welded on to a stainless steel plate that was
>>> glassed in place on the top of the trunk.  It was the threaded rod that
>>> failed where it exited the fiberglass.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had this fail?
>>>
>>> Do you know how the threaded rod was attached?
>>>
>>> How did you fix it?
>>>
>>> Finally, presuming I'm not putting on a lot of babystay tension, can I
>>> still sail the boat in benign conditions until I can get it fixed?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Bruce Whitmore
>>> 1994 C 37/40+
>>> "Astralis"
>>> Madeira Beach, FL
>>> (847) 404-5092
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>>
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Fred describes precisely what I do.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Feb 17, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ninety nine percent of the time my baby stay is fastened with a snap shackle 
> to the mast collar at the base of the mast. 
> When I go offshore I attach it to the slide fitting to prevent pumping or 
> mast inversion. 
> To make it easier to tack and protect the sail I have installed  a 20 foot 
> section of half inch white pvc pipe on the baby stay. The pvc pipe stays on 
> the baby stay year around. It protects the mast from the stay banging against 
> the mast when the stay is not in use. 
> 
> Fred Hazzard 
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland Or 
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Ninety nine percent of the time my baby stay is fastened with a snap shackle to 
the mast collar at the base of the mast. 
When I go offshore I attach it to the slide fitting to prevent pumping or mast 
inversion. 
To make it easier to tack and protect the sail I have installed  a 20 foot 
section of half inch white pvc pipe on the baby stay. The pvc pipe stays on the 
baby stay year around. It protects the mast from the stay banging against the 
mast when the stay is not in use. 

Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland Or 

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> On Feb 16, 2021, at 6:35 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Our 34 halyards are attached to the casting on the deck surrounding the mast. 
>  Inside, the casting has two stainless tangs that attach to the mast which 
> serves two purposes:   1) offset the upward pull of the halyards and 2) 
> prevent the deck from springing upward as the mast shrouds are tightened and 
> try to decrease the beam of the boat.
>  
> As for the rod holding the baby stay I seem to recall a prior similar issue 
> on this list.  The fitting was similar to a lag bolt and screwed into the 
> fiberglass and into the keel.  Remember the only thing preventing the mast 
> from inverting (which is a disaster) or pumping (which impacts sail shape)  
> is the baby stay.  Some do not use it but I believe it to be an essential 
> part of the mast structure taking the place of forward and aft lower shrouds. 
>  Just look up your mast without a baby stay when going to windward in any 
> sort of seaway.
>  
> My 2 cents American
>  
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Our 34 halyards are attached to the casting on the deck surrounding the mast.  
Inside, the casting has two stainless tangs that attach to the mast which 
serves two purposes:   1) offset the upward pull of the halyards and 2) prevent 
the deck from springing upward as the mast shrouds are tightened and try to 
decrease the beam of the boat.

 

As for the rod holding the baby stay I seem to recall a prior similar issue on 
this list.  The fitting was similar to a lag bolt and screwed into the 
fiberglass and into the keel.  Remember the only thing preventing the mast from 
inverting (which is a disaster) or pumping (which impacts sail shape)  is the 
baby stay.  Some do not use it but I believe it to be an essential part of the 
mast structure taking the place of forward and aft lower shrouds.  Just look up 
your mast without a baby stay when going to windward in any sort of seaway.

 

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

Bruce – 

I think you’re on the right track on how the rod is attached to your hull.  
Ideally, there is a plate that a new rod can easily be attached to, but you may 
need to grind down and install all new.   I’ve never looked at mine to give you 
a clear answer.   There should also be a turnbuckle to tune up the tension on 
the rod (before you tension the rig).  I have two rods holding down each end of 
the track that my babystay attaches to.  

 

Without the rod support, I wouldn’t attach the babystay.  It is structural and, 
in that scenario, the deck is now only supported at the partners and you risk 
lifting/stressing the deck in front of the mast.  Let the mast pump, it’s the 
lesser of two evils.  

 

On Lake Superior we get short, steep waves.  When it’s lumpy my mast (which is 
a tree trunk) still pumps a ton and I crank on the baby stay as tight as it’ll 
go.   

 

Hope that helps. 

Pete

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:58 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ahh...   Of course.  

 

I had not thought of that.  

 

Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is connected 
to the keel stub?

 

As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached to the 
underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with two 3/8" 
stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate was 
fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it, but I 
will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit to get to 
clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole into a 
replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the rod in place 
so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in place. 

 

I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of cloth 
would you use?

 

Thanks!!!

 

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Bruce,

 

If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as the rod 
counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached to the 
mast, I would think you are OK.

 

Joel

 


 

 



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Chuck Saur

517 490-5926 Cell

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Bruce,

I believe the rod is a connection from the baby stay track to the keel.  If 
your baby stay is disconnected (as mine is), I don’t think there is any force 
on that rod. 

I’ve never experienced any pumping and I’ve sailed the Enterprise is all kinds 
of conditions. 

I think you can sail without it - as long as you disconnect the baby stay from 
the track. 

But I could be wrong. Another possibility is that you should total the boat and 
buy another, one that is about 70 miles south of you :-). 

All the best, 

Edd

———-
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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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On Feb 16, 2021, at 7:55 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hello Bruce!  I was told the baby stay’s primary function was to mitigate mast 
pumping in a seaway and/or from harmonics. Secondary function to assist mast 
bend. I know C skippers who don’t use it. I believe mine has a padeye bolted 
or screwed into the sump and a turnbuckle to adjust. Not structural...only to 
anchor the track if used. 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 7:08 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:
> Guessing the plate is bolted in and the glass over it is not structural.  
> 
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:58 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Ahh...   Of course.  
>> 
>> I had not thought of that.  
>> 
>> Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is 
>> connected to the keel stub?
>> 
>> As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached to 
>> the underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with two 
>> 3/8" stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate was 
>> fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it, but I 
>> will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit to get 
>> to clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole into a 
>> replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the rod in 
>> place so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in place. 
>> 
>> I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.
>> 
>> Am I missing something?
>> 
>> Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of 
>> cloth would you use?
>> 
>> Thanks!!!
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL
>> (847) 404-5092
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>> Bruce,
>>> 
>>> If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as the 
>>> rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached to 
>>> the mast, I would think you are OK.
>>> 
>>> Joel
>>> 
>>> 
-- 


Chuck Saur

517 490-5926 Cell



 

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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

Hello Bruce!  I was told the baby stay’s primary function was to mitigate
mast pumping in a seaway and/or from harmonics. Secondary function to
assist mast bend. I know C skippers who don’t use it. I believe mine has
a padeye bolted or screwed into the sump and a turnbuckle to adjust. Not
structural...only to anchor the track if used.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 7:08 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Guessing the plate is bolted in and the glass over it is not structural.
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:58 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahh...   Of course.
>>
>> I had not thought of that.
>>
>> Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is
>> connected to the keel stub?
>>
>> As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached
>> to the underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with
>> two 3/8" stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate
>> was fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it,
>> but I will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit
>> to get to clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole
>> into a replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the
>> rod in place so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in
>> place.
>>
>> I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of
>> cloth would you use?
>>
>> Thanks!!!
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL
>> (847) 404-5092
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce,
>>>
>>> If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as
>>> the rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached
>>> to the mast, I would think you are OK.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>> --


*Chuck Saur*

517 490-5926 Cell
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[cenelson via CnC-List]

In benign conditions, I would forgetaboutit! My 36XL had a baby stay which 
besides being a PITA for tacking was mostly unnecessary for my rig, whose 3 
spreaders are not swept aft. For my masthead rig, it’s primary purpose was to 
reduce/eliminate mast pumping in a seaway since my mast is not a ‘tree-trunk’.
I removed it (and the baby stay track) and for my NC Sound and river racing 
never looked back.
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom
PS: The interior rod is still attached to my CB trunk/Keel but I can’t 
determine how without removing my new cabin sole—hopefully another lister knows 
how it is attached. up my new sole. . 

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On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 2:34 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hello all,
I have a 1994 37/40+, which of course has rod rigging.  We were out sailing 
yesterday, and I had put on some babystay and backstay tension, but not a 
tremendous amount.
When I got back to the dock, I found, down in the cabin that the rod that is 
just forward of the mast broke loose from the keel trunk.  This is a 6 ft. 
length of rigging that runs from the underside of the deck to the keel trunk to 
reinforce the deck at the aft end of the babystay track.  
The attachment at the keel failed due to rust, but I can't really tell 
completely how it attached.  There is a threaded rod that goes between to keel 
trunk and the turnbuckle for adjustment.  It seems as though it may have been 
threaded rod welded on to a stainless steel plate that was glassed in place on 
the top of the trunk.  It was the threaded rod that failed where it exited the 
fiberglass.
Has anyone else had this fail?  
Do you know how the threaded rod was attached?
How did you fix it?
Finally, presuming I'm not putting on a lot of babystay tension, can I still 
sail the boat in benign conditions until I can get it fixed?
Thanks!
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
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help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - 
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Stu


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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Guessing the plate is bolted in and the glass over it is not structural.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:58 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ahh...   Of course.
>
> I had not thought of that.
>
> Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is
> connected to the keel stub?
>
> As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached to
> the underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with two
> 3/8" stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate was
> fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it, but I
> will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit to get
> to clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole into a
> replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the rod in
> place so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in place.
>
> I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of
> cloth would you use?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as
>> the rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached
>> to the mast, I would think you are OK.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avg.com
>> 
>> <#m_270904234532917239_m_6637486383092924218_m_-8953886778624034987_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:34 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have a 1994 37/40+, which of course has rod rigging.  We were out
>>> sailing yesterday, and I had put on some babystay and backstay tension, but
>>> not a tremendous amount.
>>>
>>> When I got back to the dock, I found, down in the cabin that the rod
>>> that is just forward of the mast broke loose from the keel trunk.  This is
>>> a 6 ft. length of rigging that runs from the underside of the deck to the
>>> keel trunk to reinforce the deck at the aft end of the babystay track.
>>>
>>> The attachment at the keel failed due to rust, but I can't really tell
>>> completely how it attached.  There is a threaded rod that goes between to
>>> keel trunk and the turnbuckle for adjustment.  It seems as though it may
>>> have been threaded rod welded on to a stainless steel plate that was
>>> glassed in place on the top of the trunk.  It was the threaded rod that
>>> failed where it exited the fiberglass.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had this fail?
>>>
>>> Do you know how the threaded rod was attached?
>>>
>>> How did you fix it?
>>>
>>> Finally, presuming I'm not putting on a lot of babystay tension, can I
>>> still sail the boat in benign conditions until I can get it fixed?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Bruce Whitmore
>>> 1994 C 37/40+
>>> "Astralis"
>>> Madeira Beach, FL
>>> (847) 404-5092
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> Thanks - Stu
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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> - Stu

-- 
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Ahh...   Of course.

I had not thought of that.

Have any of you had to do this repair, and do you know how the rod is
connected to the keel stub?

As a bit of background, the 1/4" stainless rod rig material is attached to
the underside of the deck with a 1/4" x 1.5" x 3" stainless plate with two
3/8" stainless screws/bolts.   I am presuming a similar stainless plate was
fiberglassed in place at the keel.  As of now, I can't really see it, but I
will be able to get to it.  I am thinking I can grind it down a bit to get
to clean fiberglass, get a replacement 1/2" threaded rod, tap a hole into a
replacement stainless plate and get a welder additionally weld the rod in
place so it doesn't move (untwist).  From there, fiberglass it in place.

I can then use the existing rod and under-deck attachment.

Am I missing something?

Is there any particular trick to the fiberglassing?  How many layers of
cloth would you use?

Thanks!!!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 2:47 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as the
> rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached to
> the mast, I would think you are OK.
>
> Joel
>
>
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> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:34 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a 1994 37/40+, which of course has rod rigging.  We were out
>> sailing yesterday, and I had put on some babystay and backstay tension, but
>> not a tremendous amount.
>>
>> When I got back to the dock, I found, down in the cabin that the rod that
>> is just forward of the mast broke loose from the keel trunk.  This is a 6
>> ft. length of rigging that runs from the underside of the deck to the keel
>> trunk to reinforce the deck at the aft end of the babystay track.
>>
>> The attachment at the keel failed due to rust, but I can't really tell
>> completely how it attached.  There is a threaded rod that goes between to
>> keel trunk and the turnbuckle for adjustment.  It seems as though it may
>> have been threaded rod welded on to a stainless steel plate that was
>> glassed in place on the top of the trunk.  It was the threaded rod that
>> failed where it exited the fiberglass.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this fail?
>>
>> Do you know how the threaded rod was attached?
>>
>> How did you fix it?
>>
>> Finally, presuming I'm not putting on a lot of babystay tension, can I
>> still sail the boat in benign conditions until I can get it fixed?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL
>> (847) 404-5092
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Broken rod rigging attachment for babystay deck at keel - 37/40+

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bruce,

If you have turning blocks attached to the deck I would be careful, as the
rod counteracts the upward force of the halyards.  If they are attached to
the mast, I would think you are OK.

Joel


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On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:34 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have a 1994 37/40+, which of course has rod rigging.  We were out
> sailing yesterday, and I had put on some babystay and backstay tension, but
> not a tremendous amount.
>
> When I got back to the dock, I found, down in the cabin that the rod that
> is just forward of the mast broke loose from the keel trunk.  This is a 6
> ft. length of rigging that runs from the underside of the deck to the keel
> trunk to reinforce the deck at the aft end of the babystay track.
>
> The attachment at the keel failed due to rust, but I can't really tell
> completely how it attached.  There is a threaded rod that goes between to
> keel trunk and the turnbuckle for adjustment.  It seems as though it may
> have been threaded rod welded on to a stainless steel plate that was
> glassed in place on the top of the trunk.  It was the threaded rod that
> failed where it exited the fiberglass.
>
> Has anyone else had this fail?
>
> Do you know how the threaded rod was attached?
>
> How did you fix it?
>
> Finally, presuming I'm not putting on a lot of babystay tension, can I
> still sail the boat in benign conditions until I can get it fixed?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu



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