Stus-List Re: C smile and rust
>From remembering what my keel sump looked like before I filled it with epoxy, >it could be where something like a garboard drain used to be (but mine was >bronze) or something else rusting in that area. I would want access to that >area (is the mast in or out?) from inside or have it drilled out and examined. >I have the usual smile, but as I remember, that area inside was empty. Dropped >pliers? Look inside – is there a keel bolt in that area? I keep thinking my >most forward is aft of that spot, but could be wrong. Gary Nylander #593 From: Steve Mallett via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 3:09 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Steve Mallett Subject: Stus-List Re: C smile and rust Possibly a garboard drain from the bilge, but I would search out what is causing the "rusty" water. Something corroding inside the boat? Steve Mallett C Second Lady Dartmouth, NS On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:45 PM Greg Van Nest via CnC-List, mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi, I'm new here. I tried posting this a couple days ago, but I don't know if it went through. I apologize if it did--I'm not trying to be irritating. I tried searching the archives regarding my question, but didn't find anything exactly helpful. I was looking at a Mk I C 30, and noticed the "C Smile" on both sides of the keel. From what I've read, it's not a terrible problem. Certainty not a non-starter, walkway problem. But there's also a rust stain that looks like it starts above the keel joint. Anyone have any idea what this might be? It's only on the port side, not starboard, although both sides have the smile. I haven't had a chance to look closely at the boat, just a walk-around outside without the owner. I hope to look at it closer this week, including interior and looking in the bilge, but thought I'd ask here first what people think. I've linked two pictures (port and starboard). Thanks in advance for any advice or insight, Greg Rusty port: https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7juWvBn86WozXAc9 Starboard: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pPdfCkc2mTs47ZXE9 Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: C smile and rust
I can’t tell from the picture what that is. If it was coming from the bilge (like diesel fuel), I would expect it on both sides. I suggest asking the owner directly. As for the smile, C did not do a great job mating the lead keel to the fortified fiberglass keel stub (or trunk). Some owners on this list have fixed the problem on their boats. My sense is that most just tolerate it. A related issue on my boat (not sure about the 30 Mark I) is that the leading edge of the keel where it meets the hull, which is forward of where the lead is bolted on, is surprisingly “non-structural.” The weight of the keel is borne by the bolts, which should be tight to the stub/trunk. However, on my boat, and I suspect there are many, the keel is glassed to the hull forward of the strong stub/trunk area. As a result, it is non uncommon to see some cracking where the leading edge of the keel meets the hull. I spoke with a naval architect who interned at C in the 70’s, and he explained that this area does not support the weight of the keel, and C was not concerned about fortifying it. He told me not to worry about the cracking, although I constantly keep an eye on it. I noticed that my friend’s 41 has the same issue. From: Greg Van Nest via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 2:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Greg Van Nest Subject: Stus-List C smile and rust Hi, I'm new here. I tried posting this a couple days ago, but I don't know if it went through. I apologize if it did--I'm not trying to be irritating. I tried searching the archives regarding my question, but didn't find anything exactly helpful. I was looking at a Mk I C 30, and noticed the "C Smile" on both sides of the keel. From what I've read, it's not a terrible problem. Certainty not a non-starter, walkway problem. But there's also a rust stain that looks like it starts above the keel joint. Anyone have any idea what this might be? It's only on the port side, not starboard, although both sides have the smile. I haven't had a chance to look closely at the boat, just a walk-around outside without the owner. I hope to look at it closer this week, including interior and looking in the bilge, but thought I'd ask here first what people think. I've linked two pictures (port and starboard). Thanks in advance for any advice or insight, Greg Rusty port: https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7juWvBn86WozXAc9 Starboard: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pPdfCkc2mTs47ZXE9 Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: C smile and rust
Is it possible that the crack is below the actual keel hull joint? When you look again, send more pics from inside and out, including the keel bolts. On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 2:45 PM Greg Van Nest via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm new here. I tried posting this a couple days ago, but I don't know > if it went through. I apologize if it did--I'm not trying to be > irritating. > > I tried searching the archives regarding my question, but didn't find > anything exactly helpful. > > I was looking at a Mk I C 30, and noticed the "C Smile" on both sides > of the keel. From what I've read, it's not a terrible problem. Certainty > not a non-starter, walkway problem. > > But there's also a rust stain that looks like it starts above the keel > joint. Anyone have any idea what this might be? It's only on the port > side, not starboard, although both sides have the smile. > > I haven't had a chance to look closely at the boat, just a walk-around > outside without the owner. I hope to look at it closer this week, including > interior and looking in the bilge, but thought I'd ask here first what > people think. I've linked two pictures (port and starboard). > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight, > > Greg > > Rusty port: https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7juWvBn86WozXAc9 > Starboard: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pPdfCkc2mTs47ZXE9 > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: C smile and rust
Possibly a garboard drain from the bilge, but I would search out what is causing the "rusty" water. Something corroding inside the boat? Steve Mallett C Second Lady Dartmouth, NS On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:45 PM Greg Van Nest via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm new here. I tried posting this a couple days ago, but I don't know > if it went through. I apologize if it did--I'm not trying to be > irritating. > > I tried searching the archives regarding my question, but didn't find > anything exactly helpful. > > I was looking at a Mk I C 30, and noticed the "C Smile" on both sides > of the keel. From what I've read, it's not a terrible problem. Certainty > not a non-starter, walkway problem. > > But there's also a rust stain that looks like it starts above the keel > joint. Anyone have any idea what this might be? It's only on the port > side, not starboard, although both sides have the smile. > > I haven't had a chance to look closely at the boat, just a walk-around > outside without the owner. I hope to look at it closer this week, including > interior and looking in the bilge, but thought I'd ask here first what > people think. I've linked two pictures (port and starboard). > > Thanks in advance for any advice or insight, > > Greg > > Rusty port: https://photos.app.goo.gl/s7juWvBn86WozXAc9 > Starboard: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pPdfCkc2mTs47ZXE9 > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
