Stus-List Re: Chuck's Exhaust Elbow

2023-07-16 Thread Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
What a tale of woe.  Replacement best.

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 7:22:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chuck's Exhaust Elbow

Hi David,

In my case, The exhaust was working fine, no leaks.  But I had to remove it to 
get the bell housing off to access the transmission bolts to remove the 
transmission which was slipping.  The transmission is being rebuilt by a pro.  
The exhaust riser had some questionable looking fittings that were original and 
I wanted to replace what I could while waiting for the transmission. The water 
injector elbow was a street elbow and missing some meat where the hose gets 
clamped on.  It should be a barb fitting and it must have been installed before 
the flange was screwed on, so the flange needed to be removed to remove the 
injector elbow.

I put it in a vice and soaked it in PB Blaster for a week, spraying the joints 
every day, and then tried a pipe wrench on the flange.  It turned easily but 
the 1 1/4" nipple sheared right off leaving some portion of threads inside the 
flange neck.  We had to cut the part of the nipple in the riser using a sawzall 
and chisel it in on itself making a spiral we turned using a couple large 
pliers.  We were going to do the same for the barb fitting but instead tried to 
heat the casting and use a pipe wrench to turn it.  Since we had three guys, 
one held the torch while I had the pipe wrench, and the third guy tapped the 
casting with a ballpeen hammer.  Before the barb fitting turned, the casting 
cracked where it was thinnest.  Oh shit.  The most experienced guy tried to 
braze the crack but it just opened up more and more.

Where the casting cracked was right below the hex molded into it.  We discussed 
our problem and re-evaluated what we did and methods used and all agreed we did 
things right.  The casting was paper thin at the crack and it was a blessing to 
find this now instead of it eroding through and failing at sea.  Or you could 
say I should have left it alone and not messed with it.  I could get a pipe 
nipple welded on the flange and I could fix the crack in the riser using an 
epoxy, but I chose to order new parts.  My Barr riser was aluminum and I found 
it available online.  The iron version is cheaper but out of stock.  A new 
flange costs about the same as what a welder would charge to add a nipple to 
the old one.  I looked at SS models but they look like they may not fit in my 
engine box, so I will replace with the same parts and the new exhaust should 
last longer than the engine.


Chuck




On 07/16/2023 9:01 PM EDT David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi chuck. What made you decide to replace it?  Problems or trying to prevent 
them?  Dave

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Stus-List Re: Chuck's Exhaust Elbow

2023-07-16 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Hi David,
 
In my case, The exhaust was working fine, no leaks.  But I had to remove it to 
get the bell housing off to access the transmission bolts to remove the 
transmission which was slipping.  The transmission is being rebuilt by a pro.  
The exhaust riser had some questionable looking fittings that were original and 
I wanted to replace what I could while waiting for the transmission. The water 
injector elbow was a street elbow and missing some meat where the hose gets 
clamped on.  It should be a barb fitting and it must have been installed before 
the flange was screwed on, so the flange needed to be removed to remove the 
injector elbow.
 
I put it in a vice and soaked it in PB Blaster for a week, spraying the joints 
every day, and then tried a pipe wrench on the flange.  It turned easily but 
the 1 1/4" nipple sheared right off leaving some portion of threads inside the 
flange neck.  We had to cut the part of the nipple in the riser using a sawzall 
and chisel it in on itself making a spiral we turned using a couple large 
pliers.  We were going to do the same for the barb fitting but instead tried to 
heat the casting and use a pipe wrench to turn it.  Since we had three guys, 
one held the torch while I had the pipe wrench, and the third guy tapped the 
casting with a ballpeen hammer.  Before the barb fitting turned, the casting 
cracked where it was thinnest.  Oh shit.  The most experienced guy tried to 
braze the crack but it just opened up more and more. 
 
Where the casting cracked was right below the hex molded into it.  We discussed 
our problem and re-evaluated what we did and methods used and all agreed we did 
things right.  The casting was paper thin at the crack and it was a blessing to 
find this now instead of it eroding through and failing at sea.  Or you could 
say I should have left it alone and not messed with it.  I could get a pipe 
nipple welded on the flange and I could fix the crack in the riser using an 
epoxy, but I chose to order new parts.  My Barr riser was aluminum and I found 
it available online.  The iron version is cheaper but out of stock.  A new 
flange costs about the same as what a welder would charge to add a nipple to 
the old one.  I looked at SS models but they look like they may not fit in my 
engine box, so I will replace with the same parts and the new exhaust should 
last longer than the engine.
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
  

> On 07/16/2023 9:01 PM EDT David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi chuck. What made you decide to replace it?  Problems or trying to prevent 
> them?  Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
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