Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
Todd, Go here: https://www.fibreglast.com/category/colorgelcoat This site has gelcoat color books you can rent. Rent one, match your color and order a quart. It's a shame that spectrumcolor.com doesn't offer some kind of color matching service for our old boats. Their gelcoat patch pastes are excellent for patching nicks and chips. Patching nicks and chips with regular gelcoat liquid is challenging. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:39 AM Todd Williams via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter > of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my > beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by > name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for > nice blue color) > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
Todd: As others have said, I would be more concerned about what caused the mast step crack than the crack itself. I had a 1978 C&C 34 and did not have that issue. All kinds of tabbing problems, but nothing with the mast step. I agree that removing it to see what’s going on is the most prudent course of action, especially if the crack is allowing water to seep downward. Once you’re satisfied that the support is sound, I would call South Shore Yachts (Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON) to see if they have a direct replacement. If not, I would have a replacement made of stainless steel as Bill suggested. My two cents. Matt From: Todd Williams via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:39 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Todd Williams Subject: Stus-List GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get busy before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing on our new to us 1980 C&C34 which we named Indigo Out We Go. 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for nice blue color) 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a replacement part? (See Photos) PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a lot! TODD Sodus Bay, NY Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
Hi Todd, I have a 1981 C&C 34 with the same crack in the mast step that you have on your boat. I have sailed it that way for a few years now. As the mast step is in compression I haven't seen this crack as a critical issue or a priority to fix seeing as the primary load on it is compression downward into the hull. (I only found out about it a year ago when we had the mast out for the first time but I suspect it has been this way for a long time from before we bought the boat in 2018 as it isn't very obvious with the mast and floor installed). I am jealous of your indoor storage but as my boat is stored outdoors and I have a mast-up cover, I don't pull the mast every year. While I will probably fix or modify it at some point it doesn't seem to be a big deal right now. Having a new custom mast step fabricated will get somewhat expensive for sure. Obviously the real question is why it cracks on these boats in the first place and that is probably worth investigating so if you do pull it out I would be curious what you find underneath it. Nathan S/V Wisper 1981 C&C 34 Lynn MA On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Replace it please with a strong component. The mast step is very > important on a sailboat. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM Todd Williams via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get >> busy before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing >> on our new to us 1980 C&C34 which we named Indigo Out We Go. >> >> 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter >> of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my >> beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by >> name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for >> nice blue color) >> >> 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer >> with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called >> an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect >> the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the >> keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). >> Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a >> replacement part? (See Photos) >> >> PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA >> >> Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned >> a lot! >> >> TODD >> Sodus Bay, NY >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help >> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> Thanks - Stu > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
Todd, I would definitely have a pro weld up that mast step and also would suggest having a close look underneath it to determine why it broke. For some reason it appears that it was ‘bridged’. Maybe.(The step casting doesn’t support the mast it simply locates the mast and transfers the load to the structure beneath. It’s also a big washer/plate distributing the keel Bolt load. At the very least you can use dense filled epoxy to create a dead flat landing for the repaired step, but my suspicion is that there’s something underneath that may have compressed a little, and you’d at least want to know what that is. There are some pics here on my blog, don’t let them scare you, the 33/2 has a particular issue in this area, so the repairs are much more extensive. Look though how the mast step originally sat on a plywood and putty shim. If this were to rot or otherwise be damaged, the aluminum plate would not be as well supported. (And might crack…). Focus on the pics of the step area itself, before and after. If there’s an issue t would be a pretty straightforward repair and you’d gain a lot of familiarity with your new boat. http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/p/c-33-mk-ii-keel-and-mast-step-work.html?m=1 Dave - 33-2 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2021, at 5:50 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Replace it please with a strong component. The mast step is very important > on a sailboat. > >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM Todd Williams via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get busy >> before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing on >> our new to us 1980 C&C34 which we named Indigo Out We Go. >> >> 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter of >> the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my beautiful >> blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by name or number >> at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for nice blue color) >> >> 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer >> with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called >> an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect >> the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the >> keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). >> Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a >> replacement part? (See Photos) >> >> PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA >> >> Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a >> lot! >> >> TODD >> Sodus Bay, NY >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >> Stu > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
Replace it please with a strong component. The mast step is very important on a sailboat. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM Todd Williams via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get > busy before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing > on our new to us 1980 C&C34 which we named Indigo Out We Go. > > 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter > of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my > beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by > name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for > nice blue color) > > 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer > with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called > an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect > the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the > keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). > Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a > replacement part? (See Photos) > > PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA > > Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a > lot! > > TODD > Sodus Bay, NY > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu -- Sent from Gmail Mobile Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step
There is this from practical welding- CASTINGS The most common casting alloys by Far are the AlSiMg heat-treatable castings such as A35G and A319. The correct filler metal for the 3XX casting alloys is 4043. If you don't know what the casting alloy is, it is logical to assume that it is a 3XX alloy. Again, this isn't foolproof. I would estimate that 90 percent of the castings you see will be 3XX alloys, but 5XX casting alloys are also somewhat common, These are non-heat-treatable and should be welded using 5356. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to tell a 3XX casting from a 5XX casting. Well, I don’t uppose any of this information is scientific, but hopefully it will allow you to make a more informed filler metal choice the next time you are confronted with this dilemma.. I have had good luck welding castings on C&C’s with 5356. Obviously you will have to pull your mast to repair this. Then I would look for softness under it t see why it cracked in the first place. Or you can make up a SS plate and not worry about the cracking.. Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: Todd Williams via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:39 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Todd Williams Subject: Stus-List GelCoat Color Matching and Cracked Mast Step Well, yesterday, the boat was hauled out for the winter... time to get busy before winter sets in for Upstate NY. We had a great summer of sailing on our new to us 1980 C&C34 which we named Indigo Out We Go. 1 - There are some chips in the gelcoat, especially around the perimeter of the transom. What is the best way to go about color matching my beautiful blue gelcoat? Is this a factory color that I can reference by name or number at a marine supply store and get tinted? (See Photos for nice blue color) 2 - I bought Indigo with a cracked mast step plate. We sailed all summer with it, even up to 25+ knot gusts. I see no evidence of movement. I called an aluminum welder and he told me it would be tough to adequately reconnect the plate without knowing the alloy and grinding down the plate so the keelbolt doesn't crack it again (not sure if that is the original cause). Should I be concerned with this crack? Where am I likely to find a replacement part? (See Photos) PHOTOS - https://photos.app.goo.gl/XNxxNMUeBmkdUkyHA Thanks for the information on various threads all summer, I have learned a lot! TODD Sodus Bay, NY Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
