Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[David Swensen via CnC-List]

Don't forget to tighten the keel bolts to the proper torque. You  can find
the specs on the cncphotoalbum site.

David Swensen
Freya 35 MKII
Beverly, MA

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:21 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Juliano,
>
> that's not too bad.  Many boats get similar cracks. They occur where the
> keel is joined to the hull.  You definitely want to clean it up and fill in
> the divots.  You'll get many responses on this topic so I'll let others
> chime in.
>
> Bob
>
> On 01/21/2021 9:47 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
> My first time messaging the list.
>
> A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka
> abandoned) for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and
> have been learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This
> old boat"  and some youtube channels.
>
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a
> photo of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their
> wisdom with me on this idea?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Juliano; welcome aboard; there is a wealth of collective knowledge here and 
all of us had to start the learning process as you are doing; so, don't 
hesitate to ask and pose questions; many of the people, myself included, had a 
25 in the past and have moved up to larger vessels; the lessons learned, and 
the joys of sailing these boats are lasting ones and translate well to 
differing models; the advice regarding the keel smile fix is well documented; 
my only advice is don't scrimp or try a band-aid approach, you will thank 
yourself once you get out on the water and go sailing in a stiff breeze and the 
boat heels over; that is when you will know that it was worth all the time and 
sweat!  
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Juliano Franz 
Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2021 9:47 pm
Subject: Stus-List No really a smile

Hi all,My first time messaging the list. 
A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka abandoned) 
for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and have been 
learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This old boat"  and 
some youtube channels.
There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to tackle. 
It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a photo of it 
(damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT 
Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a good 
option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their wisdom with 
me on this idea?
Thanks all!
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Welcome to the list Juliano

I have used both G-Flex and layers of cloth with epoxy for this repair.  When I 
used G-Flex and then sanded and faired the crack came back in less than two 
years.  When I ground out and used three layers of 6 oz cloth the problem went 
away for good.

This is a relatively simple and quick repair so don’t fret much about it.

That was my experience.  Make sure the keel bolts are torqued properly prior to 
the repair as well.

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: January 22, 2021 6:41 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: No really a smile

This is a pretty good guide.  Matches Chuck's suggestions for the most part.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yV1JEN3YxQk1RbHc/view?usp=drivesdk

A lot of people have reported adding various combinations of layers of 
fiberglass.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 21:48 Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
My first time messaging the list.

A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka abandoned) 
for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and have been 
learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This old boat"  and 
some youtube channels.

There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to tackle. 
It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a photo of it 
(damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a good 
option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their wisdom with 
me on this idea?

Thanks all!

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Juliano,

Lots of good advice so far.  Many of us have done this same repair.

A few points to emphasize, first, if the washers/plates under the keel bolt
nuts aren't stainless, replace them.  Often the smile appears when the
washers deteriorate and the nuts become loose.

Next, torque the keel bolts.  The spec can be found here:

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm

Get there from the home page of the photo album (
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/) by clicking the "Do It Yourself" link on the
left side then "Keelbolt Torque Specification".  There's also a link to
"C Smile - Fixing It" which shows some pictures.

The torque specs are for "dry" nuts.  If the nuts are lubed, reduce the
spec by 10%.  The nuts need to be torqued individually, i.e. one by one.
Back them off a turn then torque them down.

Once you've ensured you have stainless washers/plates and properly torqued
bolts, you can do the repair as many have suggested.

If you expose lead on the keel, immediately coat it with epoxy to minimize
oxidation.  Do this by applying the epoxy with a ScotchBrite type scrubbing
pad saturated with epoxy.  Scrub the lead with the pad to remove oxidation
as the epoxy is applied.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:48 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a
> photo of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their
> wisdom with me on this idea?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Grind it out between the lead keel and the grp hull and clean to bare about
3 inches above and below the gap. Clean the surfaces in between the gap
with acetone. Let dry and apply west system epoxy to the surfaces with a
tooth brush. Then Make an epoxy putty with the same west system and fill
the gap with the putty. Mix more wet system and soak a 1-2 inch wide piece
of glass matt on top both sides and around the leading edge. Do same again
with a wider strip of glass matt. Be sure to get air bubbles out when you
apply the wet glass matt. Do once more if you have room. Grind away and
spikes or lumps to give a smooth contour with the undisturbed surfaced.
Fair with light weight polyester, i used auto body filler. Apply bottom
paint system

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:47 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My first time messaging the list.
>
> A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka
> abandoned) for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and
> have been learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This
> old boat"  and some youtube channels.
>
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a
> photo of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their
> wisdom with me on this idea?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Juliano
You’ve come to the right place there lots of amazing knowledge in this
group
What area are you in? or where your boat is located?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:48 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My first time messaging the list.
>
> A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka
> abandoned) for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and
> have been learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This
> old boat"  and some youtube channels.
>
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a
> photo of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their
> wisdom with me on this idea?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

This is a pretty good guide.  Matches Chuck's suggestions for the most part.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yV1JEN3YxQk1RbHc/view?usp=drivesdk

A lot of people have reported adding various combinations of layers of
fiberglass.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 21:48 Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My first time messaging the list.
>
> A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka
> abandoned) for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and
> have been learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This
> old boat"  and some youtube channels.
>
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a
> photo of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their
> wisdom with me on this idea?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: No really a smile

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

Hi Juliano,

that's not too bad.  Many boats get similar cracks. They occur where the keel 
is joined to the hull.  You definitely want to clean it up and fill in the 
divots.  You'll get many responses on this topic so I'll let others chime in.

Bob

> On 01/21/2021 9:47 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi all,
> My first time messaging the list. 
>  
> A couple of months ago I came by a C 25 that was neglected (aka 
> abandoned) for a couple of years on the hard. I am new to boat onwing and 
> have been learning a lot on how to get her ready following Casey's "This old 
> boat"  and some youtube channels.
>  
> There is a crack (?) on the keel hull joint that I am not sure how to 
> tackle. It is not really a smile, maybe some broken teeth? =] Here is a photo 
> of it (damage is the same on both sides) https://bit.ly/3p9EsRT
> Going over the variety of "smile repairs"  there is one that seems like a 
> good option for me: G/Flex, sand, bottom paint. Can anyone share their wisdom 
> with me on this idea?
>  
> Thanks all!
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help 
> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu