Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack Now CRADLE
The Mack Pack has a line attached to the zipper and blocks mounted front and rear so you can grab that line anywhere along its length and open or close the zipper. Nice feature. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT > On Jan 28, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Blair Clark via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi there, > > We had a tides marine mast track and Doyle stack pack on our 30-2 worked > fairly good for convenience. > > On our 34 + we have a batten rail car system for the track, which I love, and > a brand new conventional sailcover with cut out and fold over velcroed flaps > for lazy jack lines. > > I was considering whether one could install a zipper down the top of the sail > cover to use as a lazy version of a stack pack and still be able to remove > when performance or more aesthetic pleasing sailing was preferred. > > Also, when I asked the local Doyle loft about it they said that they do not > make stack packs anymore but instead it is called a sail Cradle. main > difference being that it does not afix to the sail. > > Pricing is roughly $ 100 per ft. > > Bat bucks being assigned elsewhere but I am still interested in whether a > functional Zipper arrangement idea could be arranged on conventional cover. > > Blair > > From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Sent: January 28, 2021 9:31 AM > To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack > > Hi Chuck > > Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other > times have tied off to base of shrouds. Sail cover is unmodified and still > works with the lazy jacks. > > I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution. In our case > they do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point > further forward. The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner > and still requires flaking properly when back at the dock. Part of this is > likely due to the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 > series sail with taffeta on both sides. > > On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main. We sailed on a sister ship that > had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race. > It was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well. We were very > impressed. > > Dreaming of summer, > > Mike Hoyt > Persistence > Halifax, NS > > From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM > To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Cc: John Conklin mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>>; > CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack > > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without > it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than > last season) > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides > track too! > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first :( > > John Conklin > S/V Halcyon > S/V Heartbeat > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack Now CRADLE
Hi there, We had a tides marine mast track and Doyle stack pack on our 30-2 worked fairly good for convenience. On our 34 + we have a batten rail car system for the track, which I love, and a brand new conventional sailcover with cut out and fold over velcroed flaps for lazy jack lines. I was considering whether one could install a zipper down the top of the sail cover to use as a lazy version of a stack pack and still be able to remove when performance or more aesthetic pleasing sailing was preferred. Also, when I asked the local Doyle loft about it they said that they do not make stack packs anymore but instead it is called a sail Cradle. main difference being that it does not afix to the sail. Pricing is roughly $ 100 per ft. Bat bucks being assigned elsewhere but I am still interested in whether a functional Zipper arrangement idea could be arranged on conventional cover. Blair From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: January 28, 2021 9:31 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack Hi Chuck Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other times have tied off to base of shrouds. Sail cover is unmodified and still works with the lazy jacks. I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution. In our case they do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point further forward. The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner and still requires flaking properly when back at the dock. Part of this is likely due to the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 series sail with taffeta on both sides. On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main. We sailed on a sister ship that had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race. It was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well. We were very impressed. Dreaming of summer, Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM To: Stus-List Cc: John Conklin ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on those? Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than last season) I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides track too! But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first :( John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
Hi Chuck Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other times have tied off to base of shrouds. Sail cover is unmodified and still works with the lazy jacks. I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution. In our case they do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point further forward. The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner and still requires flaking properly when back at the dock. Part of this is likely due to the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 series sail with taffeta on both sides. On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main. We sailed on a sister ship that had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race. It was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well. We were very impressed. Dreaming of summer, Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM To: Stus-List Cc: John Conklin ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on those? Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than last season) I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides track too! But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first :( John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
If you are asking about Lazy Jacks, I made them myself twice (for the old boat and for this one). There are many designs, some more complicated than others. I used a design that is very similar to what Harken has on their website. Depending on your preferences, you may want to design a system that can be moved forward when you are sailing, so no lines chafe against the sail. If you plan to make the jacks yourself, one word of advice – you will need _plenty_ of line (3-4 times the length of the mast, maybe more), so measure three times before cutting. Also, the more complicated systems offer serious advantages, but the system you build needs to be simple enough that _you_ will want to use it. Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa, ON From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: January 27, 2021 20:25 To: Stus-List Cc: John Conklin ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on those? Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than last season) I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides track too! But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first :( John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
Chuck, check out John Jenkins sails in Annapolis. I'm thinking of getting a new main this year with a stack pack arrangement of some kind. He's local and very good; Chris Price On 01/27/2021 8:24 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: > > > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine > without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > > > > > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% > > more than last season) > > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want > > the tides track too! > > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other > > priorities first :( > > > > John Conklin > > S/V Halcyon > > S/V Heartbeat > > > > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help > > with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
I’ve got lazy jacks and a main cover. If I did it over I’d do a stack pack but the cover works. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:25 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine > without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > > > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more > than last season) > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides > track too! > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first > :( > > John Conklin > S/V Halcyon > S/V Heartbeat > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu -- Joel Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
I paid about 1500 for the Tides Track for my 44 from Bacon Sail On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:25 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine > without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > > > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more > than last season) > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides > track too! > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first > :( > > John Conklin > S/V Halcyon > S/V Heartbeat > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu -- Joel Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
I switched my regular sail cover over to a stack pack and lazy jack system about 5 years ago. I have to say I love it and more importantly the admiral loves it. It makes dropping the sail and covering super easy. There is no struggling with sail ties.I especially appreciate it in snotty weather or when short handed in times when the sail needs to be dropped quickly. At the time it cost about $100 a foot of boom length through Doyle. I looked at the tide track but like Chuck find the slugs with a clean and lubricated sail track works well. We also put mast gates on. These allow the slugs to be lowered even further. At the end of the season I disconnect the lines and it slides right off and into the back of the truck. It has been one of the better upgrades I have done. Adam Hayden State of Bliss Pictou NS Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
I made lazy jacks for my Catalina 27. I had cleats on the mast at boom height (from PO) on both sides so after the sail was dropped and strapped, I pulled the lazy jacks forward and covered the main with un-altered cover. I no longer have pictures but will attempt to describe. My lazy jacks were one continuous line. Port side, starting at mast cleat, go aft 1/3 distance of main to a micro turning block on the boom. Next, up to a turning block hanging from a mast connection, then back to boom at 2/3 aft distance from mast. There I had a small strap on the bottom of the boom, like a pipe clamp. The line passed through to starboard, then repeated the process. The turning block line hanging from the mast (one each side) was attached to a small strap on the mast, located about 2/3 up. Bob Mann Mystic turning 50 yo this year! (the boat, not me. I'm passed that!) > On 01/27/2021 8:24 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List > wrote: > > > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine > without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > > > > > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% > > more than last season) > > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want > > the tides track too! > > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other > > priorities first :( > > > > John Conklin > > S/V Halcyon > > S/V Heartbeat > > > > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help > > with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
Forgot to mention I do have nice lazy Jack’s but little picky how I stack/fold the sail I run my lazy jacks up to the Cunningham on each side for 0 interference and a quick hoist ! Yes I have forgotten to reset and it’s sail gone wild :) John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:34 PM, Dave S wrote: > > Chuck - > > I have an unaltered conventional sail cover in addition to lazyjacks. I > single hand mostly and can manage to drop and secure the main, no problem. > The tension in the lazy jacks is adjusted with rolling hitches so I have to > leave the cockpit to do that, close hauled, and it’s not a big deal really, I > just give them a push or a pull. I could run lines aft but the extra > clutter isn’t worth it to me. > > The lazy bag is appealing, but only because it takes a few more minutes off > the prep/put away time. Not strictly necessary otherwise though it may > contain the aft leech a bit better than the lazy jacks do. > > Boat is a 33-2 with two full, two partial battens on a max-phrf main with a > big roach. > > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:24 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >> >> The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine >> without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. >> >> I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I >> expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering >> buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can >> offer advice on those? >> >> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R >> >> >>> On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more >>> than last season) >>> I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final >>> Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. >>> Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides >>> track too! >>> But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first >>> :( >>> >>> John Conklin >>> S/V Halcyon >>> S/V Heartbeat >>> >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >> Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
Chuck - I have an unaltered conventional sail cover in addition to lazyjacks. I single hand mostly and can manage to drop and secure the main, no problem. The tension in the lazy jacks is adjusted with rolling hitches so I have to leave the cockpit to do that, close hauled, and it’s not a big deal really, I just give them a push or a pull. I could run lines aft but the extra clutter isn’t worth it to me. The lazy bag is appealing, but only because it takes a few more minutes off the prep/put away time. Not strictly necessary otherwise though it may contain the aft leech a bit better than the lazy jacks do. Boat is a 33-2 with two full, two partial battens on a max-phrf main with a big roach. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:24 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List > wrote: > > > The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without > it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. > > I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I > expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering > buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can > offer advice on those? > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > > >> On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> >> I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more >> than last season) >> I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final >> Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. >> Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides >> track too! >> But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities first >> :( >> >> John Conklin >> S/V Halcyon >> S/V Heartbeat >> > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without it. If I had a full battan main I might consider one. I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it. I expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or making a stack pack instead. Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on those? Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R > On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more > than last season) > I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final > Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch. > Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the > tides track too! > But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system so other priorities > first :( > > John Conklin > S/V Halcyon > S/V Heartbeat > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
