Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Nothing wrong with Paneltronics, I just could never find them on FleaBay. 
BlueSeas has *lighted* labels that I really like. I can’t recall if the others 
do.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wyand 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Wyand <miatap...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

 

I used Paneltronics, at least equal quality to Blue Seas. Customer service was 
excellent too, and will make up a custom panel as well for little extra cost. I 
asked a few questions before the panel was delivered and they gave me very 
accurate an rapid answers. I had such good service I will use them from now on. 
I am sure they use the same breakers as Blue Seas as I doubt either one makes 
there own. Panel thickness was very good, and wiring was neatly run. 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Mathew



Thanks,


Alex Giannelia
a...@airsensing.com <mailto:a...@airsensing.com> 
(416) 203-9858 <tel:%28416%29%20203-9858> 


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:51:50 -0500
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net <mailto:wolf...@erie.net> >
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions
Message-ID: <45ACD1AB55D6494CBCA1FF12A30A99B9@InternetPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

In response to one of your queries below: I like circuit breakers for both AC 
and DC; I like Blue Sea Systems; and I do not like panels that combine AC and 
DC.  I replaced the original fuse panel on my 34 with two BSS DC circuit 
breaker panels (one relatively large, and the second because I needed more 
breakers).  To get them to fit in the old fuse panel configuration, I had a 
fabricating shop make an aluminum frame the same size as the old panel (about 
$50), with cut-outs for installing the BSS panels.  I then sent the aluminum 
frame to BSS, and they painted or powder-coated it (or whatever they do) so 
that it matched their panels ? and they did this for free because I was using 
their circuit breaker panels.  I also replaced the clunky old AC breaker box 
with a small BSS circuit breaker with polarity indicator.  I also installed a 
BSS switch that keeps the house and engine batteries separate but can cross 
connect in the event of a problem with the engine battery.  Great sys!
 tem, which I?m considering for my ?new? boat (a 42).

From: Alex Giannelia via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Alex Giannelia
Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.



I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I ?d turn to the list for some collective wisdom



Here?s a few:



What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.



I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.



SHORE POWER



Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?



Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?



BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION



Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?



RFI shielding



What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?



That?s it for now.



This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.



Suggestions?



Let ?er roll!




Alex



Alex Giannelia

C 35-II (1974) no 282

a...@airsensing.com <mailto:a...@airsensing.com> 



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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Neil Schiller via CnC-List]

I completely rewired my Redwing 35 in 2006.  This link shows what I 
changed from (3rd photo) to the updated installation.  The original 
installation had no AC panel, only a hot tub breaker box.  The new 
installation has separate AC and DC panels.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0TKNwrWoGJlUEtJMmtZVEJjYTQ

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
"Corsair"
White Lake, Michigan


On 2/17/2017 1:49 AM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote:


So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is 
now going to get new cabin wiring.


I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head 
is spinning, so thought I ‘d turn to the list for some collective wisdom


Here’s a few:

What sort of panels do people recommend? The spread is for a couple 
hundred bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined 
AC/DC Blue Seas baby.


I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with 
one 6 gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav 
Station.


SHORE POWER

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on 
your incoming?


BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle 
also connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered 
bonding the aluminum toe rails?


RFI shielding

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

That’s it for now.

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and 
Standard Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was 
done already by a marine electrical guy and works extremely well.


Suggestions?

Let ‘er roll!

Alex

Alex Giannelia

C 35-II (1974) no 282

a...@airsensing.com



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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[John Rand via CnC-List]

Hi Alex,

I moved my batteries from under the quarter birth to under the port
settee.  The wires ran from the engine area under the galley sink or aft
along the port side from the bow.  I've used 2 AWG for this.

John
C 35 MkII

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Alex — remember that the fuse or breaker protects the *wire*, not the
> device.  A 15-amp breaker will be appropriate for any wire down to 18AWG in
> the engine space.  The only branch circuit devices that need specific fuse
> sizing are things with motors in them (pumps or blowers).
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Joe,
>
> That is pretty comprehensive.  I am saving this to my folder where I store
> electrical wisdom.  Did you convert to breakers or kept a fuse based system?
>
> I ask because the standard BS panels are supplied with all 15 A breakers
> which is too much for a lot of my branch circuits, whereas their fuses vary.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Alex Giannelia
> a...@airsensing.com
> (416) 203-9858
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Alex — remember that the fuse or breaker protects the wire, not the device.  A 
15-amp breaker will be appropriate for any wire down to 18AWG in the engine 
space.  The only branch circuit devices that need specific fuse sizing are 
things with motors in them (pumps or blowers).

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Joe,
>  
> That is pretty comprehensive.  I am saving this to my folder where I store 
> electrical wisdom.  Did you convert to breakers or kept a fuse based system?
>  
> I ask because the standard BS panels are supplied with all 15 A breakers 
> which is too much for a lot of my branch circuits, whereas their fuses vary.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> 
> Alex Giannelia
> a...@airsensing.com 
> (416) 203-9858

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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Paul Wyand via CnC-List]

I used Paneltronics, at least equal quality to Blue Seas. Customer service
was excellent too, and will make up a custom panel as well for little extra
cost. I asked a few questions before the panel was delivered and they gave
me very accurate an rapid answers. I had such good service I will use them
from now on. I am sure they use the same breakers as Blue Seas as I doubt
either one makes there own. Panel thickness was very good, and wiring was
neatly run.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mathew
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Alex Giannelia
> a...@airsensing.com
> (416) 203-9858
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:51:50 -0500
> From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions
> Message-ID: <45ACD1AB55D6494CBCA1FF12A30A99B9@InternetPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> In response to one of your queries below: I like circuit breakers for both
> AC and DC; I like Blue Sea Systems; and I do not like panels that combine
> AC and DC.  I replaced the original fuse panel on my 34 with two BSS DC
> circuit breaker panels (one relatively large, and the second because I
> needed more breakers).  To get them to fit in the old fuse panel
> configuration, I had a fabricating shop make an aluminum frame the same
> size as the old panel (about $50), with cut-outs for installing the BSS
> panels.  I then sent the aluminum frame to BSS, and they painted or
> powder-coated it (or whatever they do) so that it matched their panels ?
> and they did this for free because I was using their circuit breaker
> panels.  I also replaced the clunky old AC breaker box with a small BSS
> circuit breaker with polarity indicator.  I also installed a BSS switch
> that keeps the house and engine batteries separate but can cross connect in
> the event of a problem with the engine battery.  Great sys!
>  tem, which I?m considering for my ?new? boat (a 42).
>
> From: Alex Giannelia via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:49 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Alex Giannelia
> Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions
>
> So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now
> going to get new cabin wiring.
>
>
>
> I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is
> spinning, so thought I ?d turn to the list for some collective wisdom
>
>
>
> Here?s a few:
>
>
>
> What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple
> hundred bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC
> Blue Seas baby.
>
>
>
> I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one
> 6 gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.
>
>
>
> SHORE POWER
>
>
>
> Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?
>
>
>
> Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your
> incoming?
>
>
>
> BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION
>
>
>
> Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle
> also connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the
> aluminum toe rails?
>
>
>
> RFI shielding
>
>
>
> What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?
>
>
>
> That?s it for now.
>
>
>
> This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard
> Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a
> marine electrical guy and works extremely well.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
> Let ?er roll!
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> Alex Giannelia
>
> C 35-II (1974) no 282
>
> a...@airsensing.com
>
>
>
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> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Alex Giannelia via CnC-List]

Mathew 



Thanks,


Alex Giannelia
a...@airsensing.com
(416) 203-9858


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:51:50 -0500
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions
Message-ID: <45ACD1AB55D6494CBCA1FF12A30A99B9@InternetPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

In response to one of your queries below: I like circuit breakers for both AC 
and DC; I like Blue Sea Systems; and I do not like panels that combine AC and 
DC.  I replaced the original fuse panel on my 34 with two BSS DC circuit 
breaker panels (one relatively large, and the second because I needed more 
breakers).  To get them to fit in the old fuse panel configuration, I had a 
fabricating shop make an aluminum frame the same size as the old panel (about 
$50), with cut-outs for installing the BSS panels.  I then sent the aluminum 
frame to BSS, and they painted or powder-coated it (or whatever they do) so 
that it matched their panels ? and they did this for free because I was using 
their circuit breaker panels.  I also replaced the clunky old AC breaker box 
with a small BSS circuit breaker with polarity indicator.  I also installed a 
BSS switch that keeps the house and engine batteries separate but can cross 
connect in the event of a problem with the engine battery.  Great sys!
 tem, which I?m considering for my ?new? boat (a 42).  

From: Alex Giannelia via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Alex Giannelia
Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.

 

I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I ?d turn to the list for some collective wisdom

 

Here?s a few:

 

What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.

 

I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.

 

SHORE POWER

 

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

 

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?

 

BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

 

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?

 

RFI shielding

 

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

 

That?s it for now.

 

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.

 

Suggestions?

 

Let ?er roll!

 

Alex

 

Alex Giannelia

C 35-II (1974) no 282

a...@airsensing.com

 

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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Alex,

When I re-wired Touche' in 1999, I made my own breaker panels from Ancor 8
gang blank panels.  I made 2 DC panels and 1 AC panel.  Figure 20 single
breakers @ $16, 2 double breakers at $50 plus 3 8 gang panels @ $20 and
you've spent nearly $500 at today's prices.

By the time I finished, I figure I had spent 50-60% of the price of a nice
Blue Sea System panel.  I didn't get the nice little indicator lights on
each circuit or any volt or amp meters.

The advantage of building your own is you get exactly the amperage breakers
you need.  The disadvantages are not getting the indicator lights, nice
buss bars, etc. on the back side.

Other than that, if I had it to do over again, I'd spend the extra $$ and
get a Blue Sea panel and move on.

You might investigate Blue Sea Systems newer design it yourself panels.  My
colleague installed a custom designed system for one of his clients last
year.  Very nice install.

I'm helping a buddy re-wire his boat.  He bought a nice large Blue Sea
panel.  It's the way to go.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now
> going to get new cabin wiring.
>
>
>
> I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is
> spinning, so thought I ‘d turn to the list for some collective wisdom
>
>
>
> Here’s a few:
>
>
>
> What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple
> hundred bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC
> Blue Seas baby.
>
>
>
> I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one
> 6 gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.
>
>
>
> SHORE POWER
>
>
>
> Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?
>
>
>
> Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your
> incoming?
>
>
>
> BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION
>
>
>
> Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle
> also connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the
> aluminum toe rails?
>
>
>
> RFI shielding
>
>
>
> What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?
>
>
>
> That’s it for now.
>
>
>
> This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard
> Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a
> marine electrical guy and works extremely well.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
> Let ‘er roll!
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> Alex Giannelia
>
> C 35-II (1974) no 282
>
> a...@airsensing.com
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Alex Giannelia via CnC-List]

Thanks Joe,

That is pretty comprehensive.  I am saving this to my folder where I store 
electrical wisdom.  Did you convert to breakers or kept a fuse based system?

I ask because the standard BS panels are supplied with all 15 A breakers which 
is too much for a lot of my branch circuits, whereas their fuses vary.

Thanks,


Alex Giannelia
a...@airsensing.com
(416) 203-9858

From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov]
Sent: February-17-17 10:43 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Alex Giannelia
Subject: RE: Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

I go Blue Seas for everything. It is very good gear and usually is all over 
Ebay.
For bonding/grounding, you want a nice big bus bar for ship's ground and run 
EVERY ground to that one spot. Bonding thru-hulls is a complicated subject. 
Mine are not bonded and I like it that way. Others do the opposite.
For shore power, an isolation transformer is the best, but somewhat big and 
heavy. I use a galvanic isolator. The green wire AC ground does connect to the 
ship's ground and the incoming green wire from shore goes through the galvanic 
isolator. This keeps cheap bastards in the other slips from using your zincs.
I use various ferrites on leads related to the SSB for RFI suppression. They 
are pretty cheap off Amazon or Fleabay.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex 
Giannelia via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 01:50
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com<mailto:a...@airsensing.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.

I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I 'd turn to the list for some collective wisdom

Here's a few:

What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.

I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.

SHORE POWER

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?

BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?

RFI shielding

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

That's it for now.

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.

Suggestions?

Let 'er roll!

Alex

Alex Giannelia
C 35-II (1974) no 282
a...@airsensing.com<mailto:a...@airsensing.com>

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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I go Blue Seas for everything. It is very good gear and usually is all over 
Ebay.
For bonding/grounding, you want a nice big bus bar for ship's ground and run 
EVERY ground to that one spot. Bonding thru-hulls is a complicated subject. 
Mine are not bonded and I like it that way. Others do the opposite.
For shore power, an isolation transformer is the best, but somewhat big and 
heavy. I use a galvanic isolator. The green wire AC ground does connect to the 
ship's ground and the incoming green wire from shore goes through the galvanic 
isolator. This keeps cheap bastards in the other slips from using your zincs.
I use various ferrites on leads related to the SSB for RFI suppression. They 
are pretty cheap off Amazon or Fleabay.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex 
Giannelia via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 01:50
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.

I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I 'd turn to the list for some collective wisdom

Here's a few:

What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.

I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.

SHORE POWER

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?

BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?

RFI shielding

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

That's it for now.

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.

Suggestions?

Let 'er roll!

Alex

Alex Giannelia
C 35-II (1974) no 282
a...@airsensing.com<mailto:a...@airsensing.com>

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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

In response to one of your queries below: I like circuit breakers for both AC 
and DC; I like Blue Sea Systems; and I do not like panels that combine AC and 
DC.  I replaced the original fuse panel on my 34 with two BSS DC circuit 
breaker panels (one relatively large, and the second because I needed more 
breakers).  To get them to fit in the old fuse panel configuration, I had a 
fabricating shop make an aluminum frame the same size as the old panel (about 
$50), with cut-outs for installing the BSS panels.  I then sent the aluminum 
frame to BSS, and they painted or powder-coated it (or whatever they do) so 
that it matched their panels – and they did this for free because I was using 
their circuit breaker panels.  I also replaced the clunky old AC breaker box 
with a small BSS circuit breaker with polarity indicator.  I also installed a 
BSS switch that keeps the house and engine batteries separate but can cross 
connect in the event of a problem with the engine battery.  Great system, which 
I’m considering for my “new” boat (a 42).  

From: Alex Giannelia via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Alex Giannelia 
Subject: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.

 

I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I ‘d turn to the list for some collective wisdom

 

Here’s a few:

 

What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.

 

I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.

 

SHORE POWER

 

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

 

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?

 

BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

 

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?

 

RFI shielding

 

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

 

That’s it for now.

 

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.

 

Suggestions?

 

Let ‘er roll!

 

Alex

 

Alex Giannelia

C 35-II (1974) no 282

a...@airsensing.com

 




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Re: Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[John Rand via CnC-List]

Hi Alex,

I also have a C 35-II (1974).  Just moved my batteries and am installing
a windlass and solar panels.  Lots of electrical questions, AC and DC.
Thanks for posting this.  I'll be following it closely.

John
john.e.r...@gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now
> going to get new cabin wiring.
>
>
>
> I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is
> spinning, so thought I ‘d turn to the list for some collective wisdom
>
>
>
> Here’s a few:
>
>
>
> What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple
> hundred bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC
> Blue Seas baby.
>
>
>
> I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one
> 6 gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.
>
>
>
> SHORE POWER
>
>
>
> Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?
>
>
>
> Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your
> incoming?
>
>
>
> BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION
>
>
>
> Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle
> also connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the
> aluminum toe rails?
>
>
>
> RFI shielding
>
>
>
> What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?
>
>
>
> That’s it for now.
>
>
>
> This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard
> Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a
> marine electrical guy and works extremely well.
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
> Let ‘er roll!
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> Alex Giannelia
>
> C 35-II (1974) no 282
>
> a...@airsensing.com
>
>
>
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>
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> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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>
>
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Stus-List Re-wiring, looking for suggestions

[Alex Giannelia via CnC-List]

So, the old girl came off the hard, has a new electric motor and is now going 
to get new cabin wiring.

I have been reading about bonding, grounding, panels, etc. and my head is 
spinning, so thought I 'd turn to the list for some collective wisdom

Here's a few:

What sort of panels do people recommend?  The spread is for a couple hundred 
bucks for a fuse panel to well over a grand for a combined AC/DC Blue Seas baby.

I am removing the old combined AC/DC panel above the companionway with one 6 
gang panel in the cockpit and a 12 position plus 3 AC at the Nav Station.

SHORE POWER

Ok, so who is using an isolation transformer?

Do you connect the DC Negative at the battery with the AC ground on your 
incoming?

BONDING/LIGHTNING PROTECTION

Who connects all the rig, prop shaft and keel in one electrical bundle also 
connected with battery ground?  Has anyone ever considered bonding the aluminum 
toe rails?

RFI shielding

What do you guys do to reduce RFI cross talk?

That's it for now.

This will be a simple boat, VHF, GPS Simrad WP30 Wheelpilot and Standard 
Instruments.  The power supply for the electric motor was done already by a 
marine electrical guy and works extremely well.

Suggestions?

Let 'er roll!

Alex

Alex Giannelia
C 35-II (1974) no 282
a...@airsensing.com

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