Re: Stus-List Running linesaft to cockpit on C 34 - locating rope clutches

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

On my 30-1, I have done the following:

 

A Garhauer solid vang assembly – the adjustment line goes to a block at the 
base of the mast, centered at the aft of the mast partners, then to a fairlead 
attached to the companionway hood and to a rope clutch (the inner slot of a 
quad) at the port side of the companionway.

 

On the port side of the mast, I have an external spinnaker halyard which goes 
through a block attached to the partner ring, then to a triple line organizer 
then back to the outer slot of the quad. Next are the two jib halyards which 
exit the side of the mast and go to blocks on the ring, through the organizer 
and then to the middle two slots in the quad. An Anderson winch is centered 
toward the left side of the quad to give the two jib halyards the best angle 
toward the winch.

 

On the starboard side, I have the main halyard as the inner line through a 
double line deck organizer to a Garhauer rope clutch (the triple wasn’t strong 
enough to hold it tightly). The pole topping lift goes through a block at the 
base of the mast and then to the outer slot in the organizer and to the inner 
slot in a double line clutch, next to the single Garhauer. The pole downhaul 
goes through a block in the center of the foredeck, then through two fairleads 
on the cabin side to the outer slot in the double. There is another Anderson 
winch on that side. 

 

This works well for shorthanded racing (the outhaul and reef lines are on the 
side of the boom with a little winch) and cruising. With larger crew and 
someone wanting to be attached to each line, it gets busy in the cockpit – I 
could have left the pole lift and downhaul on the mast with a small winch.

 

Gary Nylander

30-1

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Running linesaft to cockpit on C 34 - locating rope 
clutches

 

Hey all - 

 

Thanks so much for all your insight! If anyone has time and inclination I’d 
love to see any examples of your running rigging, especially anything where 
you’re running reefing lines or topping lifts from the boom back to the mast 
and aft to the cockpit.

 

Charlie I like your idea of running low-load lines to the hatch cover assembly, 
I’ll look into that feasibility.

 

Dennis thanks for the insight about winch placement, we’re definitely going to 
be taking that into consideration.

 

Whomever noticed was right, we currently don’t have a vang setup. It’s on the 
list. 

-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari

Seattle, WA

 

On March 24, 2016 at 9:08:40 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List (cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ) wrote:

Charlie, I agree.  I also have two Spinlock Cam Cleats inboard of my rope 
clutches for the Cunningham and outhaul, two low load lines.

http://www.apsltd.com/hardware/cleats-clutches/cam-cleats-accessories/spinlock-cam-cleats-accessories.html

These are really nice but one tip.  If they aren't very near the bulkhead, you 
need to elevate them a bit.  The line needs to be pulled slightly downward to 
cleat it.  If they are too far forward, you can't get the downward angle to get 
them to cleat.  Mine are on StarBoard pads.

Also, I use one for my clew reefing line.  It's on the side of the boom.  Very 
easy to yank the reefing line and cleat it.  Also very easy to shake out the 
reef.

 

As I said in an earlier post, I don't like these for a vang.  They sometimes 
don't release quickly under load and can re-cleat when you don't want.  
Otherwise, I like them.

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Another alternative to consider is something like my 36 XL/kcb was rigged by 
the factory or the Harve de Grace yard--not sure which.

 

4 of the relatively low-load control lines rigged on Water Phantom (Cunningham, 
vang, topping lift and outhaul) can be run to cam-cleats like the Harken 150 
which can be mounted on the hatch cover assembly. This reduces the need for 
using winches or rope clutches on any of them and puts them in the control of 
the pit for racing.

 

Of course, it does require some additional purchase on these lines (except for 
the topping lift) but this purchase can be rigged forward of these cleats (mast 
for Cunningham, inside boom for outhaul). Most vangs already have plenty of 
purchase built in.

 

This reduced the need for my cabin top winches so that I can do with only 2 (of 
the original 4) for the halyards (main, jib, spin port and starboard and the 
all important center board pennant-which has a 3-1 purchase built in.

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

cenel...@aol.com <mailto:cenel...@aol.com> 

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Running linesaft to cockpit on C 34 - locating rope clutches

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Hey all - 

Thanks so much for all your insight! If anyone has time and inclination I’d 
love to see any examples of your running rigging, especially anything where 
you’re running reefing lines or topping lifts from the boom back to the mast 
and aft to the cockpit.

Charlie I like your idea of running low-load lines to the hatch cover assembly, 
I’ll look into that feasibility.

Dennis thanks for the insight about winch placement, we’re definitely going to 
be taking that into consideration.

Whomever noticed was right, we currently don’t have a vang setup. It’s on the 
list. 
-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari
Seattle, WA

On March 24, 2016 at 9:08:40 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List (cnc-list@cnc-list.com) 
wrote:

Charlie, I agree.  I also have two Spinlock Cam Cleats inboard of my rope 
clutches for the Cunningham and outhaul, two low load lines.

http://www.apsltd.com/hardware/cleats-clutches/cam-cleats-accessories/spinlock-cam-cleats-accessories.html

These are really nice but one tip.  If they aren't very near the bulkhead, you 
need to elevate them a bit.  The line needs to be pulled slightly downward to 
cleat it.  If they are too far forward, you can't get the downward angle to get 
them to cleat.  Mine are on StarBoard pads.

Also, I use one for my clew reefing line.  It's on the side of the boom.  Very 
easy to yank the reefing line and cleat it.  Also very easy to shake out the 
reef.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't like these for a vang.  They sometimes 
don't release quickly under load and can re-cleat when you don't want.  
Otherwise, I like them.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Another alternative to consider is something like my 36 XL/kcb was rigged by 
the factory or the Harve de Grace yard--not sure which.
 
4 of the relatively low-load control lines rigged on Water Phantom (Cunningham, 
vang, topping lift and outhaul) can be run to cam-cleats like the Harken 150 
which can be mounted on the hatch cover assembly. This reduces the need for 
using winches or rope clutches on any of them and puts them in the control of 
the pit for racing.
 
Of course, it does require some additional purchase on these lines (except for 
the topping lift) but this purchase can be rigged forward of these cleats (mast 
for Cunningham, inside boom for outhaul). Most vangs already have plenty of 
purchase built in.
 
This reduced the need for my cabin top winches so that I can do with only 2 (of 
the original 4) for the halyards (main, jib, spin port and starboard and the 
all important center board pennant-which has a 3-1 purchase built in.
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb
 
 
 
cenel...@aol.com
 
 

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