Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
I had the same situation on my 1975 model 25 mk1. The number on the hull is 25225, and the plate in the cockpit is 250225. I presume that C allowed the additional digit on the plate because they had no idea how many of that model would be built when production started. BTW, Hari, to amplify the information you we given about the HIN, in the 5 character hull designation, the first two characters are the model (25 in my case) and the next 3 are the hull number (225 for my boat). This discrepancy in the two numbers caused me a lot of hassle when I moved to North Carolina and wanted to register/title the boat. Maryland had listed the hull number as 250225 instead of using the proper USCG format. It took me 2 trips to Raleigh, photos, and a rubbing of the HIN on the transom to convince the state that CCY25225 and CCY250225 were the same boat. Rick Brass Imzadi C 38 mk2 #47 la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 #225 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 10:26 AM To: C Cc: Jack Fitzgerald Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers Dennis FYI Interestingly, HONEY is a 1974 model (the last 39 built) and has the HIN on the transom's starboard quarter as well as on a metal plate in the forward end of the cockpit. Strangely, the do not completely match. The plate does not include the moth or year of the build, the transom (real HIN) matches the paperwork in the builder's file. Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY - US12788 1974 C 39TM (#69) Savannah, GA 31410 USA This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: If your boat is 1972 or older, the hull number will not be on the starboard transom or quarter. It would have been on a metal plate attached somewhere in the cockpit. Dennis C. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
Dennis FYI Interestingly, HONEY is a 1974 model (the last 39 built) and has the HIN on the transom's starboard quarter as well as on a metal plate in the forward end of the cockpit. Strangely, the do not completely match. The plate does not include the moth or year of the build, the transom (real HIN) matches the paperwork in the builder's file. Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald HONEY - US12788 1974 C 39TM (#69) Savannah, GA 31410 USA This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:05 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > If your boat is 1972 or older, the hull number will not be on the >> starboard transom or quarter. It would have been on a metal plate attached >> somewhere in the cockpit. > > > Dennis C. > >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
> > If your boat is 1972 or older, the hull number will not be on the > starboard transom or quarter. It would have been on a metal plate attached > somewhere in the cockpit. Dennis C. > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
Hari, Sail numbers can be selected by owner, assigned by the manufacturer, boat class, or sailing organizations. If you plan to join US Sailing and sail in US or offshore coastal then US Sailing will assign you a number, if you wish. If you are racing in a class, the class association will usually require a class assigned number. Hope this helps.Bill WalkerC, Mi -Original Message- From: Joseph Bognar via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Joseph Bognar Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:50 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging information. The hull number will be on the transom . I usually put one larger spacer front and rear the two on each side around my mast . Sent from Joe Bognar > On Sep 25, 2019, at 7:41 PM, HV via CnC-List wrote: > > Hi all, > > Recently purchased a 1979 C 30 MK1, I have sent a payment to get the owners > manual but I am unsure if it has rigging information. > > So I am wondering if anyone would be willing to share some images of how > their Cunningham/Downhaul may be rigged... > > Additionally, for some reason the waste tank behind the bulkhead in the head > has been abandoned, does anyone have any information on how this was setup? > > I am really liking this boat (I have owned many), she is in very good > condition and just needs some TLC, oh I am also interested in adding a bow > anchor roller, has anyone done this to their 30Mk1? > > Does anyone know how many blocks should be used as mast spacers and their > placement? mine only has 5 and are installed randomly... > > Lastly, how do I know the hull # for placing on my new Mainsail? > > > Thank in advance for any help, pictures and advice... > > > Fair Winds and Following Seas. > > Hari > > S/V Thalassa > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
From the Sail Canada website at: http://www.sailing.ca/racing/offshore_racing_and_regulations/offshore_sail_numbers/ Offshore Sail Numbers Sail numbers are required for boat identification while racing and are useful for safety purposes. Sailboat owners must apply to the CYA for a sail number unless the boat is affiliated with a CYA member class association that issues its own sail numbers. Offshore sail numbers may be obtained by applying to the CYA. *BC and Alberta residents may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number.* NEW Changes effective January 1st, 2008 *New pricing structure:* *$50 - Change to ownership /or boat particulars* for boats with a CYA issued sail number *$125 - Sequential sail number* *$200 - Personalized sail number *(out of sequence). *NOTE: some numbers are reserved as Collector numbers - see list below.* *$500 - Collector sail number -* CYA has created a list of select collector numbers - Click here for the list of Collector numbers.http://www.sailing.ca/files/racing/sailnumbers/collectorsailnumbers.pdf *Purchasing a sail number* Complete the Offshore Sail Number Application formhttp://www.sailing.ca/images/uploads/Offshore%20SAIL-NUM_FRM%20revised%202011%2005%2003.pdf and return it to the CYA. *Residents of BC and Alberta may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number.* On 10 August 2013 00:48, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
$125 for someone to assign you a sail number!? I'd just use my hull number and leave it at that. No club is going to reject your entry to a regatta or series because you didn't buy a number from CYA. These people are supposed to be doing all they can to make it easier to get into racing. Andy Peregrine CC 40 #143 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 10, 2013, at 7:07, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: From the Sail Canada website at: http://www.sailing.ca/racing/offshore_racing_and_regulations/offshore_sail_numbers/ Offshore Sail Numbers Sail numbers are required for boat identification while racing and are useful for safety purposes. Sailboat owners must apply to the CYA for a sail number unless the boat is affiliated with a CYA member class association that issues its own sail numbers. Offshore sail numbers may be obtained by applying to the CYA. BC and Alberta residents may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. NEW Changes effective January 1st, 2008 New pricing structure: $50 - Change to ownership /or boat particulars for boats with a CYA issued sail number $125 - Sequential sail number $200 - Personalized sail number (out of sequence). NOTE: some numbers are reserved as Collector numbers - see list below. $500 - Collector sail number - CYA has created a list of select collector numbers - Click here for the list of Collector numbers. Purchasing a sail number Complete the Offshore Sail Number Application form and return it to the CYA. Residents of BC and Alberta may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. On 10 August 2013 00:48, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
The charge is the same in the USA (unless you are a member of US Sailing, then the cost is only $100.00). RE: Sail Numbers This is an application for a US Sailing sail number. It is a five digit number that we issue in sequence. There is a charge of $100 to members of US Sailing and $125 to non-members. If you would like to proceed, and fax back the following information, or mail it back with a check, we would than forward a confirmation letter with the sail number assignment. If an email address is provided the sail number assignment will be sent there.: http://offshore.ussailing.org/Sail_Numbers.htm Sail Canada (and US Sailing I assume) are more non-profit and volunteer than for-profit. They need to raise money somehow to operate and so support and lobby for the sailing community. Ken H. On 10 August 2013 09:47, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: $125 for someone to assign you a sail number!? I'd just use my hull number and leave it at that. No club is going to reject your entry to a regatta or series because you didn't buy a number from CYA. These people are supposed to be doing all they can to make it easier to get into racing. Andy Peregrine CC 40 #143 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 10, 2013, at 7:07, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: From the Sail Canada website at: http://www.sailing.ca/racing/offshore_racing_and_regulations/offshore_sail_numbers/ Offshore Sail Numbers Sail numbers are required for boat identification while racing and are useful for safety purposes. Sailboat owners must apply to the CYA for a sail number unless the boat is affiliated with a CYA member class association that issues its own sail numbers. Offshore sail numbers may be obtained by applying to the CYA. *BC and Alberta residents may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number.* NEW Changes effective January 1st, 2008 *New pricing structure:* *$50 - Change to ownership /or boat particulars* for boats with a CYA issued sail number *$125 - Sequential sail number* *$200 - Personalized sail number *(out of sequence). *NOTE: some numbers are reserved as Collector numbers - see list below.* *$500 - Collector sail number -* CYA has created a list of select collector numbers - Click here for the list of Collector numbers.http://www.sailing.ca/files/racing/sailnumbers/collectorsailnumbers.pdf *Purchasing a sail number* Complete the Offshore Sail Number Application formhttp://www.sailing.ca/images/uploads/Offshore%20SAIL-NUM_FRM%20revised%202011%2005%2003.pdf and return it to the CYA. *Residents of BC and Alberta may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number.* On 10 August 2013 00:48, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
IIRC, as this has been discussed, that's only necessary at the point you, or your fleet, decides there is an issue w/ duplicate sail numbers, or you've risen to the point that you're sailing across a wide enough geographic area that, at the level of racing you've attained, there is an issue w/ duplicate numbers. Your boat likely came w/ sail numbers as the hull number - there should only be one CC 29-II w/ sail number 506; so if I'm sailing one design w/ other 29-II's (in my dreams!) all is good. If I'm sailing phrf, and there is another boat in my class where I race w/ that number, it may be beneficial to have an assigned number. And the higher I get ranked regionally, nationally, or globally, the more chance of dup numbers, hence the assigned number. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:26 AM Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers The charge is the same in the USA (unless you are a member of US Sailing, then the cost is only $100.00). RE: Sail Numbers This is an application for a US Sailing sail number. It is a five digit number that we issue in sequence. There is a charge of $100 to members of US Sailing and $125 to non-members. If you would like to proceed, and fax back the following information, or mail it back with a check, we would than forward a confirmation letter with the sail number assignment. If an email address is provided the sail number assignment will be sent there.: http://offshore.ussailing.org/Sail_Numbers.htm Sail Canada (and US Sailing I assume) are more non-profit and volunteer than for-profit. They need to raise money somehow to operate and so support and lobby for the sailing community. Ken H. On 10 August 2013 09:47, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: $125 for someone to assign you a sail number!? I'd just use my hull number and leave it at that. No club is going to reject your entry to a regatta or series because you didn't buy a number from CYA. These people are supposed to be doing all they can to make it easier to get into racing. Andy Peregrine CC 40 #143 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 10, 2013, at 7:07, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: From the Sail Canada website at: http://www.sailing.ca/racing/offshore_racing_and_regulations/offshore_sail_n umbers/ Offshore Sail Numbers Sail numbers are required for boat identification while racing and are useful for safety purposes. Sailboat owners must apply to the CYA for a sail number unless the boat is affiliated with a CYA member class association that issues its own sail numbers. Offshore sail numbers may be obtained by applying to the CYA. BC and Alberta residents may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. NEW Changes effective January 1st, 2008 New pricing structure: $50 - Change to ownership /or boat particulars for boats with a CYA issued sail number $125 - Sequential sail number $200 - Personalized sail number (out of sequence). NOTE: some numbers are reserved as Collector numbers - see list below. $500 - Collector sail number - CYA has created a list of select collector numbers - http://www.sailing.ca/files/racing/sailnumbers/collectorsailnumbers.pdf Click here for the list of Collector numbers. Purchasing a sail number Complete the http://www.sailing.ca/images/uploads/Offshore%20SAIL-NUM_FRM%20revised%2020 11%2005%2003.pdf Offshore Sail Number Application form and return it to the CYA. Residents of BC and Alberta may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. On 10 August 2013 00:48, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
Sam; Essentially, you only need a sail number if you are planning to race the boat. I had and older main (now sold) that had a black CC with three black stripes (sort of like a black and white version of the CC logo) and the number 25 for the length of the boat. I thought it was nice that there was an indication of manufacturer and length on the sail – Catalina does this on all their OEM mainsails IIRC. If you race, depending on the area you are in, you probably need to have a sail number on the sails. The number is used for identification and scoring when racing. I suppose the Canadian Coast Guard might also like to have it for identification purposes. I seem to recall that is was one of the items on the description of the boat when I got my MMSI numbers. Most folks seem to use the hull number as a sail number. I suppose you could use any number that had special meaning for you, if you chose. When I raced sports cars, I used 831 as the number on the car – my oldest daughter’s birthday is August 31st. If you want an “official” 5 digit number You can get it issued by one of the regional authorities. If you go to the US Sailing website they will tell you where to go for a number in Canada, but I’m pretty sure that it is the Canadian Yachting Association. The 5 digit “official” number is assigned to a boat and stays the same over the life of the boat. It is probably more important for major regional and international events. You should not just “pick” a 5-digit number because it may well conflict with a number already assigned, though I suppose you could go to the US Sailing site and select from a range of numbers that have not been assigned, or are assigned to a region far from you to minimize the possibility of a conflict. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 11:49 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Sail Numbers I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Sail Numbers
I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening?Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number?Is hull serial number legit?Sam SalterCC 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
You only need them if you are going to race, in which case it would be best to get a hold of whoever is sanctioning the races in your area. There have been many different standards for sail numbering. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 11:49 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Sail Numbers I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
