Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi guys, 

I'm a bit late on this (Just got back from a week long family vacation) 

I'd say it's somewhere in between.. 

1) He's clearly not very bright and was inviting trouble as indicated by 
his ignoring the multiple forum advice and the general lack of prep
2) Too many contradictions and loose ends: he's lying (Some)
3) Says he's writing a book.. Some of it is manufactured for that purpose, 
how much? 


About writing the book: Here's an excerpt of his posts on the forum:  " 
Sometimes I had the jib set so that it would stop the boat from putting 
too turning too hard towards either shore! That was golden " 
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/how-do-you-set-the-sails-for-the-different-wind-directions-128002.html

He will need a lot of help to write a book that English speaking folks can 
actually read. 

 
Here's another one.. priceless:  
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/how-do-you-make-sailing-easier-124215.html

I love the Reponse # 14  " Assuming this isn't a joke thread: Learning to 
sail on a cruising boat single handed in a crowded channel/harbor is 
probalby not a good idea " 

Even my mother in law who's entire sailing experience consists of a 2 hour 
afternoon cruise on my boat says he's lyin'  :-) 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Cumming, GA




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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I believe the guy. Alberg-35s are going to float for a long while. Lots of
logistics to get off and back on the boat to be rescued.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What's the list's take on this guy?
>
> <
> http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html
> >
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Yeah, but Williams would probably misremember it!RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 To: Rick Brass  
Cc: CnClist  
 Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 6:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina
   
Actually, I'm waiting to hear from Brian Williams on this guy's tale.  Brian 
was probably aboard the boat with him.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I vote for fishy, he looks way too healthy in the pic getting off the 
chopper.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-04-08 4:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

What's the list's take on this guy?



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Actually, I'm waiting to hear from Brian Williams on this guy's tale.
Brian was probably aboard the boat with him.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Rick Brass  wrote:

> It’s hard to tell, Dennis.
>
>
>
> You’ve been off shore, so you know that strange and wondrous things can
> happen. And they seem to happen often to boaters who are basically clueless
> idiots.
>
>
>
> I take the fact that this doofus was out in the Atlantic at that time of
> year, in a boat in the reported condition this one was in, as prima fascia
> evidence that this guy was a clueless idiot.
>
>
>
> I’m surprised that, since he was going out for a day or two of fishing, he
> had enough provisions and water on his boat to survive for over two months.
> It seems a bit incongruous that someone so inexperienced that they don’t
> check a long range weather report would have the survival skills he
> reportedly exhibited during two months drifting on a boat. I even discount
> most of the stuff reported about the incident by the news and on social
> media – most of the sources probably have even less understanding and
> experience that the typical poster on Sailing Anarchy.
>
>
>
> But we know where and when the boat was found, and where and when he says
> he went offshore. Let’s be generous and suppose he drifted around in a
> circle or two in a 50 mile diameter eddy of the Gulf Stream at say 1/2 knot
> – that accounts for about 4 weeks. Given where he went out, and presuming
> he stayed inside the Gulf Stream, with prevailing wind and current he
> should have drifted to somewhere between Cape Fear and Cape Lookout in
> about a week or so more. Which puts rescue south of the Outer Banks in
> early March. Now if he got into the Gulf Stream, with 1 ½ to 3 ½ knots of
> current, he should have been 1500 miles northeast of where he was found,
> and the British version of the Coast Guard would have been flying him
> ashore.
>
>
>
> I wonder if we won’t hear about a forthcoming book about his experiences
> very soon.
>
>
>
> BTW, thinking of books and being adrift and the fact that you have time to
> read for a change, do you recall the amateur sailor who fell off the yacht
> in mid-Pacific during the Clipper Around the World race? I think it may
> have been just over a year ago. I recently heard that he has released a
> book, apparently sponsored in part by the company which made the PLB that
> allowed him to be rescued. I believe the title of the book is 179 West
> after the longitude where it happened. Sounds like a pretty interesting
> read.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:19 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina
>
>
>
> What's the list's take on this guy?
>
> <
> http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html
> >
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

It’s hard to tell, Dennis.

 

You’ve been off shore, so you know that strange and wondrous things can happen. 
And they seem to happen often to boaters who are basically clueless idiots.

 

I take the fact that this doofus was out in the Atlantic at that time of year, 
in a boat in the reported condition this one was in, as prima fascia evidence 
that this guy was a clueless idiot.

 

I’m surprised that, since he was going out for a day or two of fishing, he had 
enough provisions and water on his boat to survive for over two months. It 
seems a bit incongruous that someone so inexperienced that they don’t check a 
long range weather report would have the survival skills he reportedly 
exhibited during two months drifting on a boat. I even discount most of the 
stuff reported about the incident by the news and on social media – most of the 
sources probably have even less understanding and experience that the typical 
poster on Sailing Anarchy.

 

But we know where and when the boat was found, and where and when he says he 
went offshore. Let’s be generous and suppose he drifted around in a circle or 
two in a 50 mile diameter eddy of the Gulf Stream at say 1/2 knot – that 
accounts for about 4 weeks. Given where he went out, and presuming he stayed 
inside the Gulf Stream, with prevailing wind and current he should have drifted 
to somewhere between Cape Fear and Cape Lookout in about a week or so more. 
Which puts rescue south of the Outer Banks in early March. Now if he got into 
the Gulf Stream, with 1 ½ to 3 ½ knots of current, he should have been 1500 
miles northeast of where he was found, and the British version of the Coast 
Guard would have been flying him ashore.

 

I wonder if we won’t hear about a forthcoming book about his experiences very 
soon.

 

BTW, thinking of books and being adrift and the fact that you have time to read 
for a change, do you recall the amateur sailor who fell off the yacht in 
mid-Pacific during the Clipper Around the World race? I think it may have been 
just over a year ago. I recently heard that he has released a book, apparently 
sponsored in part by the company which made the PLB that allowed him to be 
rescued. I believe the title of the book is 179 West after the longitude where 
it happened. Sounds like a pretty interesting read.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:19 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

 

What's the list's take on this guy?

<http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html>

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I hate to hear if idiots getting rescued. I don't think he deserved it. He put 
USCG resources and good people at risk for no reason. The CG should have left 
him on the German ship. His life wasn't in any danger. He should have been made 
to find his own way home from Germany. None of his comments show any remorse or 
gratitude. He probably doesn't have a job. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List"  
To: "Dennis C." , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:50:34 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina 

There is a lot of info on that on other forums. I found some on the 
SailboatOwners.com. 
To start with, a lot of news information was inaccurate (e.g. the initial 
statement that he lived for a long time in an overturned hull). 
But if you look at what is there on SO, the previous owner advised him not to 
sail out before the boat was fully refurbished (apparently, the main reason for 
selling it was that it was not serviceable). And there were numerous tell-tale 
signs (his questions to the forum, and how he treated answers). 
here is a link: 
http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=170363 
However, it is easy to talk about it from the comfort of one’s desk. 
Marek 
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:18 PM 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina 
What's the list's take on this guy? 

< 
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html
 > 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 



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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

At best the guy was a fool for taking an unseaworthy boat offshore with
minimal sailing skills.​  How he avoided the Gulf Stream is beyond me.
Sounds like the only thing valuable is the lead keel.

Joel

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>   There is a lot of info on that on other forums. I found some on the
> SailboatOwners.com.
>
> To start with, a lot of news information was inaccurate (e.g. the initial
> statement that he lived for a long time in an overturned hull).
>
> But if you look at what is there on SO, the previous owner advised him not
> to sail out before the boat was fully refurbished (apparently, the main
> reason for selling it was that it was not serviceable). And there were
> numerous tell-tale signs (his questions to the forum, and how he treated
> answers).
>
> here is a link:
> http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=170363
>
> However, it is easy to talk about it from the comfort of one’s desk.
>
> Marek
>
>
>  *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:18 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina
>
>   What's the list's take on this guy?
>
> <
> http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html
> >
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

There is a lot of info on that on other forums. I found some on the 
SailboatOwners.com.

To start with, a lot of news information was inaccurate (e.g. the initial 
statement that he lived for a long time in an overturned hull).

But if you look at what is there on SO, the previous owner advised him not to 
sail out before the boat was fully refurbished (apparently, the main reason for 
selling it was that it was not serviceable). And there were numerous tell-tale 
signs (his questions to the forum, and how he treated answers).

here is a link: 
http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=170363

However, it is easy to talk about it from the comfort of one’s desk.

Marek


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:18 PM
To: CnClist 
Subject: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

What's the list's take on this guy?

<http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html>


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Dan via CnC-List]

Story is fishy literally, to healthy, and phone all to his Dad sounded phony.  
I’d be thinking he looks a little too good of shape.. and maybe looking for the 
money on the talk show circuit.  My money says he’s dirty.

Dan
C&C 26’ 
“Only Time"
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Stus-List Sailor rescued of North Carolina

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

What's the list's take on this guy?

<
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-sailor-survived-staying-inside-rationing-185316000.html
>

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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